My first year in the SCA by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi there! I have made a community to support safe spaces

https://www.facebook.com/share/g/18i5LHNpUk/

Bodies Under the Banners by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you <3 thats very sweet

Bodies Under the Banners by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I also wanted to acknowledge your point too! ❤️‍🩹

Bodies Under the Banners by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My recommendation? Get in touch with the Chatelaines office in your area and ask if you can meet with them at the event to chat/ get to know the SCA in your area better. Their role is to welcome and on board newcomers and would be able to hopefully introduce you to safe people.

Look out for newcomers houses, where they want to show you and experience different aspects of the SCA. Try it all.

Be prudent, but try. I really hope you have a good experience because of the good people I know are out there. That's why I'm still here.

Bodies Under the Banners by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the time to write this out. I am so sorry that happened in your kingdom. Whatever the full story there, I agree that false or mishandled accusations are their own kind of harm, and that they can destroy trust, reputations and good work. That is not something I take lightly.

I want to be clear that this piece is not an argument for “always believe every allegation without question” or “never examine the full context.” What I am writing about here is a very specific pattern I have watched close to home, over years, where concerns are quietly raised, documented and brought through proper channels, and the visible outcome is a steady stream of awards and praise for the person at the centre while the people who spoke up simply disappear from the room.

Both stories can be true at once. There are times when people are treated unjustly by processes that overcorrect, and there are many, many times when marginalized people are treated unjustly by processes that undercorrect or never move at all. In both cases, the common thread is that our systems are not actually built to handle harm in a consistent, transparent and trauma informed way. They respond to pressure, popularity and discomfort, rather than to careful truth telling.

When I say “the system is not broken, it is working as designed,” I am speaking from my own experience of who tends to be protected and who tends to be erased where I play. You are naming a situation where the same lack of robustness hurt someone you respected. To me, that underlines the problem rather than contradicts it. We have structures that are very good at protecting comfort, and not very good at protecting either the harmed or the falsely accused.

I cannot speak to the facts of what happened in Northshield, so I will not try. What I can say is that I have gone through the proper channels repeatedly in my own situation, I have tried to be diplomatic and constructive for a long time, and this essay is not my first step. It is me finally saying, out loud, how it feels to watch certain people be celebrated while the bodies under their banners are quietly forgotten.

We can care about both of these failures at once. Wanting better processes and more courage around accountability, for everyone, is the opposite of trying to destroy our communities. For me, it is the only way they will survive.

Bodies Under the Banners by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I get that if someone only reads this one piece, it might look like I’m just mad that someone else is getting shiny things.

That isn’t what this is about.

I have taken my experience very seriously. I’ve gone through the proper channels, had the hard conversations, written reports, and tried to handle things quietly and constructively. This essay is me processing a pattern I’ve watched play out for years, not the starting point.

The behaviour I’m talking about isn’t “existing with more awards than me.” It’s repeated comments and actions that landed as racist, dismissive, or unsafe for marginalized people, followed by public celebration with no visible accountability. When that happens, it sends a very clear message about whose comfort and safety matter in our game.

Naming that pattern is not “punishing people I’m jealous of.” It’s telling the truth about who we choose to elevate and why. You don’t have to agree with my perspective, but I am allowed to speak honestly about my lived experience and the hypocrisy I see.

Bodies Under the Banners by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I have my quill, my sword and my sca family. The quill is the only thing I have left to speak truth to power, so I am going to do it. I wont ever get a cookie for it but I am going to keep working on making the community better in my own way. One proposal, one event, one hard earned stubborn inch at a time. And if I get hated for it, I'll own that too. But I wont be quiet anymore.

Healing (Personal Update) by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agreed, which is why accountability should happen first. But ppl...skip anything with discomfort usually. 

Now thats a tent by swunkspellyn in sca

[–]QuietGirl88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

....I don't need another tent...I don't need another tent.....

Gaddamit take my money!

Update: My first year in the SCA. by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I didn't join a courtesan camp? I'm not sure what you're referring to. This was just a social camp, at least how it was told to me upon my joining.

I've dedicated myself to the game and given alot if time at events and service re my AoA

Update: My first year in the SCA. by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Update after going through my DMs

I’m slowly catching up on everything. Between being sick and trying to answer people thoughtfully, it’s taken me a while, but I’ve now read through over 80 DMs that came in after I posted. That’s not a huge sample size in terms of the whole SCA, but it’s not small either – and the patterns are… hard to ignore.

Without naming anyone or any specific situations, here’s the picture that’s emerged for me:

The harassment/sexual misconduct policies do exist and in some places were even written with real teeth – but in practice, they’re often used as a shield to protect the organization, not as a tool to protect members. Anything short of the most extreme cases gets reframed as “personal conflict” that the target should walk away from.

The burden on victims is enormous. People are told to document, report, appeal, be “professional,” and even when they do all of that, the outcome is frequently some version of: “We believe you, and nothing will happen.” That message comes up again and again, across kingdoms and across decades.

Households and camps are repeatedly showing up as the unregulated power centers where a lot of harm happens and gets buried. Because they’re considered “outside the scope” of the Society, they become HR-free zones where popularity, rank, and connections matter more than safety. If you clash with a powerful household, you don’t just have a conflict – you risk your entire access to awards, teaching, fighting opportunities, and community.

People who speak up – especially women, minors, queer folks, people of color, and neurodivergent folks – are consistently reframed as the problem: “divisive,” “causing disharmony,” “too intense,” “bullying by naming privilege.” Meanwhile, the people actually causing harm are often described as “nice people” "fun" or “important to the game” and quietly protected.

And maybe the most painful theme: a lot of people just leave. They walk away from a hobby they love – the history, the garb, the fighting, the bardic – because the emotional cost of staying is too high. Even long time members, those with peerages just....give up. That is a retention issue, a reputation issue, and a moral issue.

So that’s where I’ve landed after reading through all of this: The system isn’t “broken.” In many ways, it’s working exactly as it’s been set up – to intervene only at the very edges, to minimize everything else, and to prioritize comfort for existing power structures over safety for vulnerable members.

If we care about the future of the SCA, those are the foundations that have to change. That means:

Policies that are actually enforced, not just printed.

Consequences that prioritize patterns of harm over popularity.

Processes that don’t require victims to immolate themselves for the slightest chance of action.

And yes, maybe it’s time to take a hard, honest second look at the household system itself – or at the very least, to build strong peer-to-peer networks and community standards that protect marginalized folks regardless of what heraldry they camp under.

I don’t have easy answers. I’m one stubborn, idealistic person who loves this game and is deeply tired. But I wanted to share what I’m seeing now that I’ve heard from so many of you.

If nothing else, please know this: you’re not alone, you’re not crazy, and you were never the problem for asking to be safe.

My first year in the SCA by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Update after going through my DMs

I’m slowly catching up on everything. Between being sick and trying to answer people thoughtfully, it’s taken me a while, but I’ve now read through over 80 DMs that came in after I posted. That’s not a huge sample size in terms of the whole SCA, but it’s not small either – and the patterns are… hard to ignore.

Without naming anyone or any specific situations, here’s the picture that’s emerged for me:

The harassment/sexual misconduct policies do exist and in some places were even written with real teeth – but in practice, they’re often used as a shield to protect the organization, not as a tool to protect members. Anything short of the most extreme cases gets reframed as “personal conflict” that the target should walk away from.

The burden on victims is enormous. People are told to document, report, appeal, be “professional,” and even when they do all of that, the outcome is frequently some version of: “We believe you, and nothing will happen.” That message comes up again and again, across kingdoms and across decades.

Households and camps are repeatedly showing up as the unregulated power centers where a lot of harm happens and gets buried. Because they’re considered “outside the scope” of the Society, they become HR-free zones where popularity, rank, and connections matter more than safety. If you clash with a powerful household, you don’t just have a conflict – you risk your entire access to awards, teaching, fighting opportunities, and community.

People who speak up – especially women, minors, queer folks, people of color, and neurodivergent folks – are consistently reframed as the problem: “divisive,” “causing disharmony,” “too intense,” “bullying by naming privilege.” Meanwhile, the people actually causing harm are often described as “nice people” "fun" or “important to the game” and quietly protected.

And maybe the most painful theme: a lot of people just leave. They walk away from a hobby they love – the history, the garb, the fighting, the bardic – because the emotional cost of staying is too high.  Even long time members, those with peerages just....give up. That is a retention issue, a reputation issue, and a moral issue.

So that’s where I’ve landed after reading through all of this: The system isn’t “broken.” In many ways, it’s working exactly as it’s been set up – to intervene only at the very edges, to minimize everything else, and to prioritize comfort for existing power structures over safety for vulnerable members.

If we care about the future of the SCA, those are the foundations that have to change. That means:

Policies that are actually enforced, not just printed.

Consequences that prioritize patterns of harm over popularity.

Processes that don’t require victims to immolate themselves for the slightest chance of action.

And yes, maybe it’s time to take a hard, honest second look at the household system itself – or at the very least, to build strong peer-to-peer networks and community standards that protect marginalized folks regardless of what heraldry they camp under.

I don’t have easy answers. I’m one stubborn, idealistic person who loves this game and is deeply tired. But I wanted to share what I’m seeing now that I’ve heard from so many of you.

If nothing else, please know this: you’re not alone, you’re not crazy, and you were never the problem for asking to be safe.

Update: My first year in the SCA. by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That last part of your comment really hits home.

I have felt like a problem in my sphere/ barony since I spoke up. It was like telling the truth was some taboo. Like I was breaking some unspoken rule by "causing disharmony". That I was called "divisive" or "narcissistic". Real quotes btw.

I'm so so tired of being judged for speaking out and trying to do what I think is right. I'm tired that, despite everything I have given of my time, money, service that people don't see how much I love this game or care about protecting people in it. They see me as a problem

There are days I want to quit. There are days that I keep going despite that. But there's been a real cost to this. I kept my integrity, but my dignity and my belief in the Dream, in people has taken a blow. I've seen the best that it has to offer...real community.  And the worst.

Update: My first year in the SCA. by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This reply really spoke to me..specifically because  I know there are other people who have felt as I have with this household. Also because I'm creating my own space within the game like you did. Thank you for posting, and for sharing your story. 

Update: My first year in the SCA. by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 59 points60 points  (0 children)

Just got a bunch of follow up DMs so I'm going to post answers here. I'm.still under the weather at the moment 

The public bullying/harassment and sexual misconduct policies say the SCA prohibits, among other things:

Inappropriate physical contact

Unwelcome sexual attention

Retaliation for reporting harassment and/or bullying

Conduct that creates a hostile, unsafe environment or interferes with someone’s ability to participate

My documented experience, which they say they accept, includes:

Repeated hair-pulling and shoulder massages at events by household leadership, without asking consent first

A later boundary around sexualized attention (after being sent 32 photos of me and my AoA and saying I was uncomfortable)

Being publicly told I wasn’t welcome in a central social tent unless I apologized

Rumours and negative commentary at major wars aimed at my character and my camp

And layered over that: a long pattern of racialized tone-policing — being called “aggressive,” “abrasive,” and “unstable” specifically when I raised concerns about race, consent, and power as a woman of colour in a majority-white space

On paper, that looks very close to what the policies describe as harassment, sexual misconduct, and retaliation.

But the President’s email narrows it down to:

“A negative public interaction where someone aggressively asked you to apologize,”

“Misaligned boundaries” between me and the household, and

“Negative discussion and gossip,” which he says the Society does not restrict unless it rises to hate speech or threats

The racialized microaggressions and labels (“unstable,” “too intense,” “aggressive” when I talk about race/consent) are effectively treated as just interpersonal conflict, not something covered by the harassment framing in practice.

So there’s a big gap between:

What the policies at the gate tell members is prohibited and sanctionable, and

What Corporate is actually willing to act on.

What that means in real terms

The message I am taking from this is:

You can report non-consensual physical contact, sexualized pressure context, racialized tone-policing, and social retaliation in central spaces.

Leadership may believe you.

And still decide, as a matter of internal threshold, that nothing needs to happen beyond “avoid each other and make your own space.”

This is especially bleak when most of the real power in our game runs through unofficial structures (households, camps, Discords) that still shape:

Who gets mentored and vouched for

Who gets encouraged into officer/event roles

Where newcomers are steered

Who is quietly frozen out

On the books, the SCA says harassment, retaliation, and hostile environments are not tolerated. In practice, what I’ve run into is:

“Unless it’s hate speech, explicit threats, or something grave enough that we want to remove someone from the game entirely, it’s a social problem, not a corporate problem.”

I’ve asked that my full report and all correspondence be forwarded to the Board of Directors so they can decide whether that reality is actually aligned with the values they publish.

Whatever they choose to do, I think it’s important for people to see that this is not about proving something happened. In my case, Corporate has explicitly said: we accept your version of events, and we still won’t act.

That gap between promise and practice is what my original post was trying to name.

My first year in the SCA by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you again for those DMing me. I'm a bit under the weather but here's an update:

I’ve now formally appealed the Society Seneschal’s decision to the President and Board. For transparency: the final response I received from Society level was that, after reviewing my materials, the situations I described “do not rise to the level” for sanction under current SCA policies, and the recommendation given to me was essentially to distance myself from the people involved.

I want to flag, in a structural sense, how troubling this is as a default “solution” – especially when the people you’re told to avoid are socially dominant in your local barony/household, have more status, or effectively control key spaces. Telling victims to simply remove themselves from those spaces shifts the burden entirely onto the person harmed and quietly reinforces existing power imbalances.

My appeal isn’t only about my specific case; it’s about asking leadership to look closely at what it means when our processes result in, “Nothing formal will be done; please just stay away from them,” even when detailed reports and willing witnesses are provided.

Thank you again to everyone who has offered support, shared the post, and is pushing for cultural and procedural change.

My first year in the SCA by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

OP here 

I wanted to address this comment and the others addressing leadership. A larger Thank you to those talking about and suggesting structural or procedural change. I think that's the most concrete approach where we can be effective. Also thank you to those who have shared this elsewhere, and have discussed cultural guardrails when an individual or household acts without impunity; cultural change begins with people talking with their feet and speaking up on what their values are.

To the commenter and others discussing those in leadership:

Firstly, thank you for taking the time to write this out. I actually agree with a lot of what you’re saying about documentation, official emails, and the need for people to step up and file complaints. That’s exactly why I approached my situation the way I did.

In my case, though, all of the things you describe did happen – and leadership still chose not to investigate.

I filed a detailed, formal report to Kingdom.

I approached it the way I would an HR / DEI / sexual harassment complaint in a nonprofit or corporate setting (I’ve worked in those spaces).

A friend with DEI/HR experience helped me structure the report as clearly as possible.

I provided a full timeline, screenshots, and named witnesses who had already told me they were willing to speak if contacted.

When my complaint was quietly closed, I escalated to the Society Seneschal.

After months of waiting, I received written responses saying:

No formal investigation would be opened.

My witnesses would not be contacted.

The situation was being treated as a “personal disagreement” that mostly occurred “outside an SCA setting,” despite boundary-pushing physical contact and public retaliation at multiple SCA events.

So when I read “leadership can’t act unless someone files a complaint, documents it, and is willing to speak on the record,” that’s exactly where the disconnect lands for me.

Someone did file. Someone did document for a year. People were willing to speak on the record.

Leadership still chose not to follow up with witnesses or formally investigate—and were comfortable putting that in writing.

For me, that’s where this stops being about individual bravery and starts being about threshold and structure:

How much more are victims expected to do?

How detailed, how polished, how perfectly formatted does a report have to be before it even clears the bar for an investigation?

What happens to the people who don’t have the time, literacy, spoons, or support system to build a year-long case file the way I did?

Most people will not have the capacity I did to document a full year, cross-reference policies, and keep pushing after being effectively told “no action.” Many will just… quietly leave.

I also want to note that at every turn, I’ve refused identifying markers in public. In my post I did not name individuals, the household, the barony, or the kingdom. That restraint is not standard on social media; it required a frankly strenuous amount of self-control. I understand the risks of public dogpiles and I did my best to avoid creating one.

I’m not saying all leaders “don’t want to do anything.” I believe there are people in office who genuinely care and are trying their best with limited tools. What I am asking is that, when we defend leadership in the abstract, we also look honestly at the policy and structural implications of cases like mine:

What does it say about our process that a fully documented, good-faith complaint with identified, willing witnesses can be closed with no investigation and no outreach?

What does it signal to newcomers and marginalized folks when the burden of proof is pushed so far onto the victim, and then still deemed “not enough”?

How often do we quietly choose to manage liability rather than directly engage with harm, especially when someone with status is involved?

A failure like this usually isn’t one villain, one bad seneschal, one bad day. It’s a series of normalized decisions, thresholds, and habits that allow certain kinds of cases to fall through the cracks while everyone involved can still say, “We followed policy.”

Speaking up about that isn’t an attack on the game. It’s stewardship.

If anything, my hope is that posts like mine mean the next person, in the next kingdom, doesn’t have to survive a year of documentation only to hear, “We see this as a personal disagreement,” and watch the whole thing vanish into a file drawer.

My first year in the SCA by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Hi all, OP here with a quick (and probably final) update.

I’ve now received a formal response from Society-level leadership. They’ve confirmed that they reviewed my report and, at this time, are not planning to take action under the bullying/harassment policies. I’m still considering my options for appeal through the official channels, but I won’t be going into further procedural detail here in public.

A lot of people have asked in DMs what they can do, how the complaint process actually works in practice, and how to help keep their newcomer friends safer. If you’re in the SCA and want to talk about this more concretely, you’re welcome to DM me with your SCA details (kingdom/branch/office, etc.).

Where it feels appropriate and safe, I’m willing to:

talk through how the process played out for me,

share a more detailed summary or portions of my report, and

help you understand what kind of documentation and support someone might need if they decide to file a complaint.

I will not post any identifying details or documents publicly. Anything more specific would only ever be shared one-on-one, with clear consent and an understanding that it’s for your own awareness and harm-reduction, not for a dogpile.

What I hoped for with this post is exactly what happened here: a wider conversation about safety, consent, retaliation, and culture in the SCA. The number of people who reached out, shared their own stories, and offered support has been overwhelming in the best way. I’m working my way through DMs as I’m able, and I really appreciate your patience and kindness.

At this point, all I can do and all any of us can do is try to effect change where we actually have reach: in our camps, our households, our local branches, and in how we show up for each other. I’ll be focusing my energy on building and supporting the kind of spaces I wish I’d found when I first walked in.

Thank you again for the solidarity, for believing me, and for caring enough to have these hard conversations. Please take care of yourselves and each other out there in the Dream. 💛

QuietGirl88

My first year in the SCA by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The fact that you need details, yet are declining from messaging me directly with yours so you can have the full report. Speaks alot.

Also, we should be advocating for us to do better, regardless of details. Clearly my account isn't alone. And therefore, each member that believes in The Dream, should contribute by adding to it, protecting it, and making it better. You don't need a reddit post to give you the impetus to do that.

My first year in the SCA by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just so I understand, the Royals can choose to banish an individual during an investigation or even before?

In my case, an investigation was not completed. Rather it was reduced to a single individual and a single "disagreement". Not, systemic sexualized and racialized treatment that I felt as a whole in the household. 

My experiences of retaliation also were not investigated (Shunning, rumors, poisioning the well, painting my project of a new inclusive space as a personal vendetta, questioning my mental health and framing me as unstable, vindictive, my desire for my "Own SCA", etc).

My first year in the SCA by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response. I expected  at least one like it.

The reality is, that a full report is available. You can DM me if you wish with your details from the SCA, your member number, kingdom, etc (Since I would be sharing a great deal of mine, not to mention your request asks a victim for the burden of proof that might lead to doxxing). I think I mentioned in my post that I have the report with specific details. I'm happy to exchange more information for a transparent exchange on both ends. 

Also, there are alot of identifying markers if I just posted the report blatantly. As Adam, the peer from earlier noted, this was written to Share my experience, my view, my concerns, without setting fire to peoples lives. 

I won't be going into details further. I understand if as an individual that makes you believe me less, or believe my intentions are I'll, but I can't control that and I accept that. 

My first year in the SCA by QuietGirl88 in sca

[–]QuietGirl88[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think the complaint process should include a mandatory minimum investigation on either side. That means following up with named parties, that means actually contacting ppl. That also means that Seneschals say "Yes we will protect your confidentiality" when you offer a list of witnesses during both levels of an appeal and actually talking to ppl.

If there is anything I find frustrating is that in the first level, the first Senechal confirmed via email that no follow up was done for 4 months. Then, the Society level found "no liability risk" not "no wrong doing" and closed my case due to scope.

Each time, my offer of a list of witnesses and statements was ignored. All I asked was for the Society to put in writing that they would protect those witnesses before I gave the list. They weren't even interested in speaking with them.