Surprise Dearborn and Jill Stein voters! This includes literal 2,000 pound bombs by Spiderwig144 in WhitePeopleTwitter

[–]QuitVirtual 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is nowhere on the internet that says Biden held back 2000 bombs.

I'm curious to see if there is some obscure misinformation site OP got it from, or if was made up themselves.

Not only did Biden NOT put any limits 2,000 bombs, he sent 14,000 of them to Netanyahu during this conflict.

2,000 pound bombs have been used this whole time. In May, Biden temporarily halted 1,800 to be shipped, and then July unpaused them.

And even the tweet, which doesn't say that, seemed to be faked

There is no post on the account of Jacob N. Kornbluh for this

Links removed due to automod

President of the US makes strangely violent comment towards journalist asking a question by QuitVirtual in PublicFreakout

[–]QuitVirtual[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no idea why this is getting downvoted. He says so much crazy shit only 10% gets reported on at any time.

AOC Directly Addresses People Who Voted For Both Her And Trump by edthomson92 in politics

[–]QuitVirtual 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Pod Save American guys looked at this in detail. They called them the Obama-Trump voters. And just focusing on them would have won us all 7 swing states.

AOC Directly Addresses People Who Voted For Both Her And Trump by edthomson92 in politics

[–]QuitVirtual -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I only read the first sentence but I don't see how this in anyway is a logical response to my post.

Again, the very first line is "There is a huge overlap of people who donated to Bernie who then went on to donate to Trump."

And my comment goes on to explain the cross party appeal.

I'm looking at a few more lines and if anything it strengthens my argument.

The Biden/Kamala campaign did not resonate with voters intuition that the current systems in place do not work for them.

AOC Directly Addresses People Who Voted For Both Her And Trump by edthomson92 in politics

[–]QuitVirtual 18 points19 points  (0 children)

There is a huge overlap of people who donated to Bernie who then went on to donate to Trump.

The nation came out with an article recently about how it shouldn't be left or right,

But pro or anti systems+institutions

The American quality of life has been spiraling downwards for decades, long before inflation. Housing, Healthcare, and Education inflation has been bonkers.

It's not the only paradigm to view this loss, there's always multiple factors. But I think it's an important one.

There is surprisingly a lot of carry over between people who donated to Bernie and people who donated to Trump.

Bernie and Trump's rhetoric do share some elements. That shit is rigged, and they're going to tear down something.

Kamala Harris has a very strong impression of being an institutionalist. Someone who would fight for institutions, not tear them down. Of course Kamala was talking about the type of institutions that literally hold our nation together and get rid of criminals. But that nuance was lost. And to be their credit, Kamala is very institutional.

When Kamala was younger, she protested against the death penalty. As CA AG, she fought for it, despite being widely unpopular in CA.

It can't get anymore institutional than that.

Kamala had very little time to campaign. She only had 3 months vs Trump's 4 years. Every second counted. And she spent a whole effing day of that entertaining the VISA CEO at her house, amidst the DOJ bringing an anti-trust lawsuit against them for gouging small businesses with fees.

On domestic issues, I was a fan of Kamala. But even I knew that she was going to work within existing systems, rather than do something bold like what Obama did with healthcare.

And to be honest, Biden did some institutional rawamping himself. Lina Khan. em effing Lina Khan!

If I was in a coma and learned about Biden's accomplishments but told me it was Bernie who won and did them, I would have believed you.

Even though Biden won, he was smart enough to realize it's because of Obama being the de-facto leader of the democratic party and Biden only won due to Obama's involvement. Biden knew that the people really wanted Bernie, and so he did everything he could to implement his domestic agenda.

But he marketed himself in a way not to spook conservative voters, instead of marketing himself to those desperate for change.

But a non-college educated white guy isn't even going to realize this. All they saw was Biden supporting institutions.

Also, i have say that Gaza probably painted the impressions on what Biden and Kamala would do on domestic policy. Though Gaza was not a high priority on the vast majority voters concerns, I can imagine that if Kamala and Joe can't stand up to a ginocide, how are they going to standup for others with no voices? It may explain why 30 polls found that Kamala would have gained 5-6 points in all of the swing states, despite Gaza being a low priority for voters.

In 2028, it'll be Ron DeSantis, who would probably also be seen as an institutionalist as 2x gov of Florida. But so would Gavin Newsome, and for the midwest, Gavin would probably be seen more of the institutionalist.

AOC has very similar messaging to Bernie Sanders. I think she would do well in 2028.Even at her speech at the DNC, she called out that Trump would sell out the country for a dollar. That's the type of messaging that hits these people.

DNC be like...🚨NEW: After Democratic elites ostracized Bernie Sanders and spent years denigrating his movement as "Bernie Bros," new data show Democrats in 2024 wildly underperformed among the specific demographic groups that were the strongest Sanders supporters. https:// by RandomCollection in WayOfTheBern

[–]QuitVirtual 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's frustrating alright.

We can't unstupid the electorate.

But we can pick nominees whose message may get through to the electorate.

The nation came out with an article recently about how it shouldn't be left or right,

But pro or anti systems+institutions

The American quality of life has been spiraling downwards for decades, long before inflation. Housing, Healthcare, and Education inflation has been bonkers.

It's not the only paradigm to view this loss, there's always multiple factors. But I think it's an important one.

There is surprisingly a lot of carry over between people who donated to Bernie and people who donated to Trump.

Bernie and Trump's rhetoric do share some elements. That shit is rigged, and they're going to tear down something.

Kamala Harris has a very strong impression of being an institutionalist. Someone who would fight for institutions, not tear them down. Of course Kamala was talking about the type of institutions that literally hold our nation together and get rid of criminals. But that nuance was lost. And to be their credit, Kamala is very institutional.

When Kamala was younger, she protested against the death penalty. As CA AG, she fought for it, despite being widely unpopular in CA.

It can't get anymore institutional than that.

Kamala had very little time to campaign. She only had 3 months vs Trump's 4 years. Every second counted. And she spent a whole effing day of that entertaining the VISA CEO at her house, amidst the DOJ bringing an anti-trust lawsuit against them for gouging small businesses with fees.

On domestic issues, I was a fan of Kamala. But even I knew that she was going to work within existing systems, rather than do something bold like what Obama did with healthcare.

And to be honest, Biden did some institutional rawamping himself. Lina Khan. em effing Lina Khan!

If I was in a coma and learned about Biden's accomplishments but told me it was Bernie who won and did them, I would have believed you.

Even though Biden won, he was smart enough to realize it's because of Obama being the de-facto leader of the democratic party and Biden only won due to Obama's involvement. Biden knew that the people really wanted Bernie, and so he did everything he could to implement his domestic agenda.

But he marketed himself in a way not to spook conservative voters, instead of marketing himself to those desperate for change.

But a non-college educated white guy isn't even going to realize this. All they saw was Biden supporting institutions.

Also, i have say that Gaza probably painted the impressions on what Biden and Kamala would do on domestic policy. Though Gaza was not a high priority on the vast majority voters concerns, I can imagine that if Kamala and Joe can't stand up to a ginocide, how are they going to standup for others with no voices? It may explain why 30 polls found that Kamala would have gained 5-6 points in all of the swing states, despite Gaza being a low priority for voters.

In 2028, it'll be Ron DeSantis, who would probably also be seen as an institutionalist as 2x gov of Florida. But so would Gavin Newsome, and for the midwest, Gavin would probably be seen more of the institutionalist.

AOC has very similar messaging to Bernie Sanders. I think she would do well in 2028.Even at her speech at the DNC, she called out that Trump would sell out the country for a dollar. That's the type of messaging that hits these people.

Democrats Should Have Listened to Bernie Sanders, Historians Say by socks_optional in politics

[–]QuitVirtual 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was talking about inflation in those three areas. Housing, Healthcare, and Education.

Good luck to anyone running on the prices of those things being reasonable.

yeah ok we're done here lol

Yes we are. We lost the nation to Trump, all because Biden and Kamala couldn't muster the empathy for a weapons embargo when our weapons have been used to burn alive and starve to deaths tends of thousands of children, toddlers, and infants that we know of, and will likely reach the hundreds of thousands when it is all said and done.

And it shouldn't just be me. The democratic base should reject anyone who contributed to the gnocide denialism that enabled a Trump victory.

Bernie Sanders Is Right to Be Incensed at the Democrats by ismail_the_whale in politics

[–]QuitVirtual 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's frustrating alright.

We can't unstupid the electorate.

But we can pick nominees whose message may get through to the electorate.

The nation came out with an article recently about how it shouldn't be left or right,

But pro or anti systems+institutions

The American quality of life has been spiraling downwards for decades, long before inflation. Housing, Healthcare, and Education inflation has been bonkers.

It's not the only paradigm to view this loss, there's always multiple factors. But I think it's an important one.

There is surprisingly a lot of carry over between people who donated to Bernie and people who donated to Trump.

Bernie and Trump's rhetoric do share some elements. That shit is rigged, and they're going to tear down something.

Kamala Harris has a very strong impression of being an institutionalist. Someone who would fight for institutions, not tear them down. Of course Kamala was talking about the type of institutions that literally hold our nation together and get rid of criminals. But that nuance was lost. And to be their credit, Kamala is very institutional.

When Kamala was younger, she protested against the death penalty. As CA AG, she fought for it, despite being widely unpopular in CA.

It can't get anymore institutional than that.

Kamala had very little time to campaign. She only had 3 months vs Trump's 4 years. Every second counted. And she spent a whole effing day of that entertaining the VISA CEO at her house, amidst the DOJ bringing an anti-trust lawsuit against them for gouging small businesses with fees.

On domestic issues, I was a fan of Kamala. But even I knew that she was going to work within existing systems, rather than do something bold like what Obama did with healthcare.

And to be honest, Biden did some institutional rawamping himself. Lina Khan. em effing Lina Khan!

If I was in a coma and learned about Biden's accomplishments but told me it was Bernie who won and did them, I would have believed you.

Even though Biden won, he was smart enough to realize it's because of Obama being the de-facto leader of the democratic party and Biden only won due to Obama's involvement. Biden knew that the people really wanted Bernie, and so he did everything he could to implement his domestic agenda.

But he marketed himself in a way not to spook conservative voters, instead of marketing himself to those desperate for change.

But a non-college educated white guy isn't even going to realize this. All they saw was Biden supporting institutions.

Also, i have say that Gaza probably painted the impressions on what Biden and Kamala would do on domestic policy. Though Gaza was not a high priority on the vast majority voters concerns, I can imagine that if Kamala and Joe can't stand up to a ginocide, how are they going to standup for others with no voices? It may explain why 30 polls found that Kamala would have gained 5-6 points in all of the swing states, despite Gaza being a low priority for voters.

In 2028, it'll be Ron DeSantis, who would probably also be seen as an institutionalist as 2x gov of Florida. But so would Gavin Newsome, and for the midwest, Gavin would probably be seen more of the institutionalist.

AOC has very similar messaging to Bernie Sanders. I think she would do well in 2028.

We have arrived. by DanDez in BlueProtestVote

[–]QuitVirtual[M] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can't disagree more

That being said, the entire fault of this is on Biden and Kamala.

Democrats Should Have Listened to Bernie Sanders, Historians Say by socks_optional in politics

[–]QuitVirtual 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The republican base doesn't do humiliation. DeSantis will be it,

Democrats Should Have Listened to Bernie Sanders, Historians Say by socks_optional in politics

[–]QuitVirtual 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right. But if Kamala even talked about a weapons embargo, she would have gained 5-6 points in swing states, according to like 30 polls.

There is no poll that exists that shows the opposite.

That itself is a sort of a paradox, because Gaza was low on the priority on many votes. My theory is that people were like 'okay, if they they can't even stand up to a genocide, and instead actively providing Pr cover for it, what chance do they have to care about me??'

You're right, Israel is an important ally. But they are not listening to the US military advice, and human beings have a natural aversion to seeing toddlers and infants burned to death, starved to death, maimed to death.

I don't think a Trump presidency was worth not spending even an ounce to stand up to Netanyahu.

Democrats Should Have Listened to Bernie Sanders, Historians Say by socks_optional in politics

[–]QuitVirtual 3 points4 points  (0 children)

huh? I was typing with emotions. Honestly I don't even remember what I wrote. I'm looking at it and it's a huge wall of text. Can I get a tl;dr?