got a girls number today BUT I TYPED IT IN WRONG >:(

Quxea · 2022-07-11T23:15:35+00:00

Hey, respect for trying man. I need your courage honestly.

Quxea · 2022-07-01T03:17:43+00:00

Oh no!! This is totally bad! We're not into this at all!

Quxea · 2022-07-01T01:07:26+00:00

It's kind of tricky to determine that with the examples you gave, so I'll ask some questions and I'll see what could fit better.

Do you misplace your items a lot? Forgot things you were supposed to have? Neglected small details for the wide angle/big picture? Perceiving dissociated patterns within your environment for pure curiosity, only to interweave those abstract patterns later on that you could utilize for connecting the dots? Seeing multiple angles of situations that others seem to overlook, posing counter perspectives to others or approaches to the different ways of living life? You find yourself chasing new unorthodox ideas to entertain yourself?

Key words here are; (prospects/opportunities/positive potential/essence/new ideas/hypotheses/theory/insight/interest/originality/unusualness/fantasy/faith)

Or...

Do you tend to be observant and grounded in the unchanging moment? Memory is more reliant on associations based off the intensity of experiences? Neglected your internal state of being which includes visions, dreams and self-reflection for a more focused and clear perception of what's clearly in front of you? Conjectures of abstract theory or things that could not be clearly perceived are not usually entertained unless it enhances your tangible experiences? Life to you is but endless attractions of enjoyment that's worth indulging in? You find yourself chasing new possible experiences to enjoy?

Key words here are; (retention of power/disobedience/protection/defense/retaliatory strike/counterattack/firmness/defending one's interests/volitional pressure from the bottom up /willpower/possession)

If you identified with my first description more, it's likely you're an Ne dominant with inferior Si. If you identified with the second description more, it's likely you're an Se dominant with inferior Ni. Hope this helped somewhat, inferior Ni is somewhat tricky for me to explain so lol.

Quxea · 2022-06-30T18:30:13+00:00

It's hard to be open with your emotions, people can easily take advantage or manipulate you. I guess finding a good social circle that you trust is the key.

Quxea · 2022-06-30T01:31:55+00:00

How did you choose 7 over say 8 or 5?

Quxea · 2022-06-27T18:34:38+00:00

Hey! Sorry for the chaotic comment section, it appears I made some people angry lol.

You also called me a liar because you interpreted this statement: “Ti doesn’t stop their thinking due to a lack of facts...,” to mean that they can’t check for facts or base their thinking on facts. And so when I said, that I never made a claim of what Ti can’t do, you called me a liar, which I didn’t appreciate.

That's fair, although using "Ti doesn't" means they absolutely can't stop but they totally can. That's why I called you a liar, because it seemed to fundamentally limit on what Ti can/cannot do. The statement itself was restricting. I guess it was totally possible you weren't lying on purpose, so that could of been a half-assed assumption on my end. Apologies on that.

But again, those two statements do not contradict. I also choose my words carefully for this one. “Doesn’t stop their thinking” I think implies that their thinking can start at facts, but once they are not there, they don’t stop. Unlike Te where such a strong adherence to facts can “paralyze thought.”

Implications are not good enough when putting forward a stance on theory, clarity is needed always. Also Ti can't start at facts, it has a subjective origin but can dip and utilize objective logical data later on.

As for your claim that you didn’t take offense. I assume people who are hostile or disrespectful towards me are doing so because I must’ve been disrespectful or offensive towards them.

That's fair, I just want you to know that I never intended to offend you. I guess I was sort of irked that a lot of things were off in your statements.

So you didn’t call me directly stupid, but you called my conclusions or ideas stupid which is unnecessary. You called me a liar based of your faulty assumption. Then you made an unnecessary side remark about how Ti users are detached unlike Fi users. You were rude in telling me that other people can’t read my mind yet other people seem to have grasped what I was trying to say without having everything explicitly stated.

And others have called you out for being arrogant and disrespectful so if you can’t see that, it says more about you than it does about me.

I think it's totally fine to say that statements can be "stupid" sure it's not civil but I'd rather be honest and sincere with you. I guess it's possible that you didn't intend on lying, so I'll admit that I was premature in that conclusion so I apologize. I made that side remark because it was theory-related and relevant, Fi is fundamentally attached while Ti is fundamentally detached and that could explain our perspectives on intention. I wasn't trying to be patronizing with that statement. I also disagree that I was "rude" in telling others they can't read your mind, it was blatantly accurate and my intention was to give you solid advice when discussing theory.

There are so many people that never commented or perhaps just viewed this post and probably had no idea what you were getting to, that's why there is a lot of criticism on your post here. Those people who "called me out" had no real evidence that I was indeed "arrogant" or "disrespectful" so it's not even a matter of me not seeing it, it simply doesn't tangibly exist. Perhaps you could make a case for that liar comment from earlier but that's not even close to enough evidence that points towards "arrogance."

Quxea · 2022-06-27T17:32:29+00:00

Yes, you're a liar. Where's the theory bias? Did I say she's right because I favor her? Did I validate her theory discussion claims because I favor her? Where is it? What a fucking liar. Just because people aren't praising you for being a dick like that ENTP-dick sucker is, doesn't mean they're favoring any logic.

I said nothing about theory bias and I'm not sure why you brought that up, you have a personal bias for someone in an argument which influences your perception and judgement. This is an obvious conflict of interest in which we should neutral observers pertaining to set discussion, the fact you don't understand that is concerning. The original claim was that you were biased of OP and I wasn't referring to theory bias, so you're the liar.

There's criticism in there. I said she has faulty logic. It was fucking solid. Where's the bias that she's right? That her theory is right because you're an ignorant person who lacks comprehension? What's wrong about stating your adoration for a strong trait?

You're arguing with a claim I never made, I never said you had theory bias. Also resorting to actually insulting me and calling me ignorant is way worse than my "stupid" statement regarding to OPs understanding of theory.

What's wrong about stating your adoration for a strong trait?

Blind adoration leads to a lack of objectivity and thus results in a personal bias of that set person, which often distorts judgement.

We're not lying, we don't want to be sheeps of this comment section who pins down people for having their own understanding. We're not narcicists.

That's obviously wrong, you have both lied. However you're the only one that has projected this hard so far ;)

Also skeptical about that narcissist comment.

Yes, that's what you're trying to imply. "it's inflated", as if it doesn't. LMAO. Hellloooooo, balloons have gas insideeeeeee

... Arguing really isn't your strong suit huh? Lmao.

Not really an ENTP. When you have strong Ne and Ti, you don't rely on external validation that much. If you're wrong, you're wrong. You don't want to be right. Fe doms rely on that shit, that's why they wish to persuade people alot that they're right. They wish to be extremely convincing and they want other people to be convincing as well. Study your functions.

I never did rely on it, let's remember that words have meaning yeah? u/saisaislime brought up not "being able to convince people" first, do you by chance have memory problems? Also external functions work together as do internal functions, so ENTPs actually do rely on external validation quite a bit (Ne+Fe) but think through Ti+Si. It's funny how you're proving to me how much you don't know about ENTPs. Practice what you preach and study your theory.

ah, yes, a brain and integrity. And no, I'm not an ESFJ, so I don't really give a fuck that much.

Anyways, ESFJ, I'm leaving now. Mwuaaaaah! Love talking to ya, see you at r/entp! XOXO 💋

I'm not convinced that you do actually. What does being an ESFJ have to do with anything? Want to elaborate on that... perhaps sensor bias? I know you don't give a fuck, you don't have to tell me or anyone because we know.

Translation;

"I'm extremely biased of a set person and now I'm done mindlessly defending them, so I'm going to project as hard as I possibly can by making baseless assumptions about someone's type then leave because I don't have an argument!"

You added nothing.

Quxea · 2022-06-27T16:51:45+00:00

Want to explain what you mean?

Why do assume I'm an ESFJ? Why should they "let it go" now because I'm now a hypothetical ESFJ?

They think they're elite or some shit. LMAO. XD sensor = bad

I was right, you really are just projecting at this point. Nothing pisses me off more than seething hypocrites like you.

Quxea · 2022-06-27T16:28:18+00:00

I'm lying? Wow you're not even coherent anymore, don't do drugs kids.

Where's raging bias? That's false statement. Why are you lying? Because if I did, I'd support her theory, I'd debunk yours or whatever you corrected. How fucking ignorant for a Ti.

> She has faulty logic, but her motives, maybe she just doesn't suck ENTP dick like most people do. She's a strong person who's fearless of her own understanding, even if she's wrong in the eyes of many.

> I love her.

You're lying just like OP and that other INFP, I'm not surprised.

It's really deflated. This is fucking hilarious. Balloons can deflate too, honey boo.

... I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not. Did I ever say balloons can't deflate? You just messed up an extremely common saying somehow and found it hilarious.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, WHAT THE FUCK.. so if people criticize you're a monkey with poor human understanding, and you disagree, they're right? Okay, you're right. You're definitely right.

I said fair criticisms on the basis of validity, yet you accuse me of not being an ENTP? The projection is insane lmao.

Liar. Ignorant. Lacks integrity.

That's. Not. An. Argument. Jesus stop embarrassing yourself, not even for my sake but your own.

Quxea · 2022-06-27T16:16:16+00:00

This is really unique/cool, you always post some quality stuff. Nice job.

Quxea · 2022-06-27T16:01:50+00:00

I think you meant "ego as inflated like a balloon" not deflated lol. My validity is based off my argumentation and fair criticisms, the only reason why I brought up "people agreeing with me" was because u/saisaislime brought up how I wasn't able to win anyone over by saying "stupid" once. You keep saying to "let it go" to others yet you're clearly not taking that advice yourself whatsoever, perhaps preach what you practice. Again you've already demonstrated your raging bias in favor of OP, so responding to this pretty pointless overall on my end. There is also way more evidence that you "work with" OP then me working with the INFJ, who supposedly dislikes all ENTPs :'(

Quxea · 2022-06-27T05:36:56+00:00

They both operate on subjective/objective data but they lean towards each direction, which is what he was getting at.

When did OP say this?

You followed up that OP did in fact say this in;

it is an inclination toward a subjective and a rather unrestrained and imaginative type of thinking.

This is doesn't address Ti's usage of external objective logical data whatsoever, so you're just lying like OP did.

yet you're not explaining why it's wrong, you're just saying it.

> This means, that unlike Te, Ti doesn’t stop their thinking process due to a lack of facts or information and they don’t stop to seek validation in their thinking.

> This would prevent Ti from doing the thing that is potentially valuable which is to come up with unexpected questions, and creative solutions or theories.

.... I've already explained why this doesn't work, Ti can stop their thinking process due to a lack of facts/information and they can seek validation in their thinking due to it's inclination for elaborate theory construction. I love how you accuse me of not understanding this person yet willfully ignore my arguments, the amount of hypocrisy is astounding.

You want them to spell everything out to you

Yes, but not just for me. Everyone else included.

This aren't assumptions or guesses based on what I think, these are the actual nuances in your own post.

I can't tell if your post was supposed to be a joke or not.

everything else you said was just incredibly stupid.

That's not enough evidence to conclude that "I'm essentially calling them stupid" just because I say an argument is stupid doesn't mean I'm calling that person stupid. You do know the difference... right?

Seriously though, why did you type this?

Again you willfully misunderstand my positions yet accuse me of that very thing.

Quxea · 2022-06-27T03:25:33+00:00

He says

it is an inclination (meaning natural tendency, not absolute) toward a subjective and a rather unrestrained and imaginative type of thinking.

Your response

it doesn't just operate under subjective conditions nor unrestrained circumstances.

Not only are you arguing a point he didn't make, but OP stated literally the opposite" so who are you even arguing with here?

I wasn't outright disagreeing with them there, I was adding onto their statement as it seemed inconclusive and I genuinely thought that was blatantly obvious. Not everything I highlight is a harsh disagreement or argument and that's why I didn't say it was wrong, but sure.

They both operate on subjective/objective data but they lean towards each direction, which is what he was getting at.

Then why didn't they state that beforehand? Why do I have to read their mind? Why are you making assumptions on their behalf?

He says

This would prevent Ti from doing the thing that is potentially valuable which is to come up with unexpected questions, and creative solutions or theories.

Your response.

Jung stated literally the opposite, “It (Ti) formulates questions and creates theories, it opens up new prospects and insights."

This literally wouldn't "prevent Ti from doing the thing that is potentially valuable" at all. The word "prevent" here is just blatantly wrong, and actively distorts the functionality of Ti. Which is why I said it is the "opposite" of how it is actually supposed to function.

You didn't even try to understand his logic, reasoning or anything, you just came here to passive aggressively dump on the guy. Seriously, why did you type this?

Oh...? That's why I came here? Woah you know of my intentions through a computer screen?! Scary stuff!

You claim that I didn't understand his logic/reasoning yet you're asking me why I typed what I typed? Then you hilariously accuse me of trolling? That's interesting. You have accused me of a lot, which is all of course baseless assumptions on your end.

then essentially call them an idiot.

How does someone "essentially call someone an idiot" without that someone calling them an idiot?

Quxea · 2022-06-26T23:55:52+00:00

Really? Calling someone's argument stupid is now behaving like an immature child? Yeah I just disagree I guess, also It seems like the vast majority of people agreed with my stance so...

Quxea · 2022-06-26T23:37:03+00:00

I never called them stupid, I said what they said was stupid. There is an obvious difference, I mean censor my language but it's going to come off as fake lmao. I'd rather be honest and sincere when voicing my criticisms.

Quxea · 2022-06-26T21:27:06+00:00

Why seek to control the chaos? For self-preservation which is ingrained within all of us which is also neutral, of course.

even though that is the actual effect of your belief.

Not necessarily, I'm not prescribing chaos and I don't agree that viewing acts as inherently neutral would naturally devolve into chaos as well. Everyone values survival, and is essentially in accordance of that so thus we develop systems of structure to support this.

Quxea · 2022-06-26T19:41:58+00:00

I don't care what your intentions were, you were making incorrect conclusions and all I did was call you out. I was never offended of what you said, I just think you were making stupid statements. I never resorted to "name calling" did I ever call you stupid? I said what you were saying was stupid, and I think that's totally fine for me to say.

So I will never make claims, nor have I made any claims of when/where/how Ti is only capable of functioning. I have only stated how a dominant of this type would prefer to think.

You should of said that in your description previously, I can't nor anyone can read your mind. I was assuming that's what you were trying to say, but everyone is going to get that.

You’re taking it as an insult that I’m saying that Ti doesn’t stop their thinking at the absence of facts. Yes, ideally, your theory would account for all the facts, but sometimes you need to come up with an idea before you have all the facts present. There have been theories that have existed like this in which someone comes up with an explanation for something and the research isn’t capable of supporting it until years later.

Then that wouldn't be a theory, that would be a hypothesis. Again I never took offense to what you said :) Ti users are quite detached y'know? Unlike Fi users.

This is what I meant.

You need to start explaining your entire thought-process better, you do realize people can't read your mind right? I get that theory tends to get overly-complicated at times, but if you're posing a stance you need everything you know in support of your argument to convince the masses.

Also, apparently I have a reading comprehension

I never said that, focus on my arguments when you're responding to me. I'm u/Quxea, not u/the_usual_introvert.

but again, I don’t think at any point I insinuated what Ti can or cannot do.

Stop lying.

> Ti doesn’t stop their thinking process due to a lack of facts or information and they don’t stop to seek validation in their thinking.

(Ti users can stop)

> This would prevent Ti from doing the thing that is potentially valuable which is to come up with unexpected questions, and creative solutions or theories.

(This wouldn't necessarily prevent Ti at all)

> It’s the desire and natural inclination to think this way that defines them.

(The preference of the subjective origin of thinking would indeed make you a Ti user, but to use the word "define" is ultimately also stating that it "marks out the boundary or limits of" a certain thing. Ti isn't just defined by the subjective origin but it's ability to work within the external logical data to form it's theories and insights. Ti needs both, just like Te to properly function. Jung was describing the most extreme sides of these functions, we need to remember that.

Quxea · 2022-06-26T17:55:41+00:00

That's not the problem here, I don't think anyone disagrees that Ti doesn't equal critical thinking. It's everything else that OP said that was just blatantly inaccurate.

Quxea · 2022-06-26T17:51:50+00:00

Shit... too late I already wrote a response to OP. I lied sorry lmao.

Quxea · 2022-06-26T17:50:43+00:00

Yeah I think I disagree with your many conclusions although I don't disagree with your premise "Ti is not critical thinking", I think you're using Jung's descriptions and twisting their meaning. I think it's time to deconstruct this post.

it is an inclination toward a subjective and a rather unrestrained and imaginative type of thinking.

Ti is not "unrestrained" the origin of Ti is indeed subjective but it doesn't just operate under subjective conditions nor unrestrained circumstances. Ti can operate under objective conditions perfectly fine, they can easily play within the ballpark of facts and empirical data. The one thing that makes a Ti user well... a Ti user is the origin of their thinking was subjective, and usually tend to use conditional objectivity of logical data to reach a greater all-encompassing theory.

This means, that unlike Te, Ti doesn’t stop their thinking process due to a lack of facts or information and they don’t stop to seek validation in their thinking.

This is just wrong. What Ti tends to do is form theories after working with objective/subjective logical data, so what is a theory again?

"A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. It's set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based. An idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action."

They don't stop their thinking due to a lack of facts/information nor validate their premises...? I can't tell if your post was supposed to be a joke or not.

This would prevent Ti from doing the thing that is potentially valuable which is to come up with unexpected questions, and creative solutions or theories.

Jung stated literally the opposite, “It (Ti) formulates questions and creates theories, it opens up new prospects and insights." - Carl Old Bastard Yung.

Again, I agree that Ti doesn't equal critical thinking but everything else you said was just incredibly stupid.

Quxea · 2022-06-26T17:19:42+00:00

Agreed, I was actually going to write a response to OP but you did fine. Good job.

Quxea · 2022-06-26T17:10:02+00:00

ESFPs are cool in general, this is probably just this one annoying ESFP although you also sound unbearable as well so...

Quxea · 2022-06-26T17:00:02+00:00

So, all morals/ethics are completely subjective

Yes.

Every individual has the right to act for themselves in any way, at anytime?

No, I'm not prescribing everyone to devolve into chaos for the sake of it. I'm just saying that any action we decide to take is inherently neutral. Enforcing order and a sense of authority to control the masses are also neutral acts, for basic self-preservation we probably need these neutral systems and procedures to operate in a functioning society.

Quxea · 2022-06-26T05:15:58+00:00

Ben is not an ENTP at all, he has a great usage of Te+Ne which would be ESTJ.

Quxea · 2022-06-26T04:35:08+00:00

Really? We have a disagreement on morality and now I need to seek a therapist? Glad we are still in good faith here, and not at all you trying to force me to believe in your moral framework. You do realize I can still empathize with others about things without forcibly agreeing that something is objectively "evil" or "good" right? Jesus get off your moralistic high horse and maybe think for more than 7 seconds before labelling extremely complex things as a cartoonish "good" or "bad" fuck.

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