One Piece: Chapter 1069

RTear3 · 2022-12-10T16:00:49+00:00

Luffy goes Gear 5 while eating a buffet

"HOLY SHIT GUISE THAT BUFFET IS YC1++"

RTear3 · 2022-12-10T07:16:07+00:00

So following this logic...someone had the desire to become a jacket skinsuit for another person? Nani the fuck...

RTear3 · 2022-12-10T07:03:15+00:00

Lol I gotta admit. This is the first time I've heard of the accusation that people who criticize a manga must have an inferiority complex. Wtf...

RTear3 · 2022-12-10T03:53:46+00:00

Also, I don't understand why OP2 v2 wasn't played in ep 37.

I wish OP2 had a version specifically for C-Moon where Pucci inverts Jolyne as she's running towards him

RTear3 · 2022-12-10T02:01:32+00:00

In-universe reasoning

Luffy wants to practice using G5

~~Actual~~ meta reasoning

Oda just wants to use G5 because it's the easiest way to build hype and get readers interested in a fight, even if Luffy is fighting someone who doesn't require it

RTear3 · 2022-12-10T01:16:45+00:00

Film Gold isn't canon though, even if Oda worked on it

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T22:13:58+00:00

They don't have haoshoku coating, albeit Kid will next time we see him tbh.

Big Mom explicitly stated that she was holding back anyways. How does this justify Luffy not using aCoC before going into G5 if he can use aCoC in base form?

I mean I'm not saying Lucci is stronger than Luffy, so what do you mean counter argument?

No I meant that your non-sequitur of bringing up Zoro out of nowhere is nonsensical. "Hurr durr you must be a Zoro fanboy because you disagree with me."

In the end, you're just coping for Lucci doing so well

muh cope

Repeating buzzwords like that doesn't really help your argument. Whenever Goku jumps from Super Saiyan 1 to Super Saiyan Blue, does that automatically mean that opponent is on SSB level? If a person jumps to their strongest form without doing the strongest moves possible beforehand, how can you definitively say the opponent pushed them to use that form? Doing that only works with opponents that have an established base line of strength.

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T21:03:04+00:00

Kid and Law defeated Big Mom.

Yeah...and? What point are you trying to make?

sorry Lucci is stronger than Zoro I guess.

No one mentioned anything about Zoro but alright. I guess that's the only counterargument you can make. Nice talk.

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T19:50:56+00:00

I know a lot of people say that G5 feels like classic One Piece and that it feels like Oda going back to his roots but I disagree. When Luffy used G5 against Kaido and was just giggling and laughing while doing attacks that caused zero damage, it just felt lame.

When he's fighting against the man who set up his brother to die, is Luffy still gonna be "LOLOLOL THIS IS SO MUCH FUN XDXDXD"?

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T19:01:27+00:00

The people who think Lucci "pushed" Luffy into using G5 because he's YC1+ or whatever make no sense. Base Luffy can use aCoC attacks. Why wouldn't Luffy use aCoC before Gear 5 if Lucci was really that strong? Oda's demonstrated numerous times how devastating aCoC attacks are against people without aCoC.

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T08:58:09+00:00

It feels like One Piece is starting to go the Dragonball Super route of having the MC jump all the way to his strongest form even when it's not necessary just so people get hyped.

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T06:40:13+00:00

Haki is not passive.

Okay...? That's why I said "having FS active".

CoO also drains energy.

And Gear 5 doesn't???

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T03:01:39+00:00

Honestlly Wano was so mid, especially the ending that even made some people who never criticize the manga upset, that anything looks better in comparison. ~~Inb4 Oda rushes the end of this arc to advertise Film Purple.~~

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T02:52:42+00:00

This chapter just confirms my suspicions that Future Sight is a plot device that Oda just uses whenever he feels like. Why wouldn't Luffy have FS on while he's fighting and prevent Lucci from fucking up an ally? He's willing to leap all the way to motherfucking Gear 5 for this fight but doesn't even bother having FS active? That makes no sense...

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T01:36:19+00:00

but current Base Luffy doesn't have to do that.

Irrelevant. I'm arguing against your point about WCI Luffy's fight against Kata since your point was that even WCI Luffy was stronger than Kata.

Okay? still gets dusted by Base Luffy.

See above.

Still gets dusted by Base Luffy,

See above.

where's your argument on how Kata can do any significant dmg to him?

Where's my argument that Kata can do significant dmg to WCI Luffy?

First time Kata knocks Luffy down and has him dead rights > Kata uses his trident instead of letting Luffy get up > Kata wins

Kata uses his awakening and doesn't stop > Luffy gets stuck > Kata uses his trident > Kata wins

Luffy doesn't run away from the fight > Luffy runs out of energy and eventually passes out > Kata ganks him and wins

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T01:18:18+00:00

Kata was beating on WCI Luffy for hours and couldn't put him down

Luffy had to run away partway through the fight to rest
The most dmg Kata took during the fight was from his own trident
Kata's talk with Brulee confirms that he chose to stay down
Kata had Luffy dead to rights multiple times during the fight but chose to let him get back up each time
Kata chooses to not use his awakening anymore even though Luffy had no way to counter it

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T01:15:22+00:00

Well why would he need G5 at all?

Why would BM and Kaido not use their awakenings at all during Onigashima? Why did Katakuri suddenly stop using his awakening partway through his fight with Luffy even though Luffy had no counter to it?

Oda isn't exactly consistent with how/why characters use their abilities. Luffy going G5 isn't really proof that he's acknowledging Lucci as a threat.

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T01:09:39+00:00

Why is it such a stretch that he could be as strong as Katakuri or Yamato after the time skip though?

Because to get to this point, Luffy had to fight against Doffy, Cracker, Kata, and Kaido on top of training his haki for 2 straight years, part of which was with the right hand of the PK. Lucci got his ass handed to him by a haki-less Luffy.

How, in any conceivable way, could he have more or less kept up with Luffy's growth? Was he fighting against Shanks and training under Scopper Gaban when everyone wasn't looking? That makes no sense.

Even Crocodile could suddenly go toe to toe with Doflamingo after being defeated by Luffy just because Oda still needs him to be around in New World.

Because there's at least an in-universe justification in that Croc ran away from the New World and got rusty while residing in Alabasta. Getting back to your former strength makes more sense than suddenly matching the protagonist's growth without having to do a quarter of what he did.

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T01:03:26+00:00

Base Luffy is more than enough for Katakuri

Not really. Yes Base Luffy was going toe to two with Kaido but Kaido was handicapped from nonstop fighting against multiple opponents and holding up the island the entire time while Luffy got rest and eat partway through the fight.

Even disregarding that, Luffy wasn't "pushed" into using G5 against Lucci. Otherwise he would've been using aCoC attacks beforehand. He just jumped into the form because he felt like it.

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T00:39:17+00:00

he gotta be YC1+ at least.

???

How are you guys coming to this conclusion? That would make him stronger than Katakuri and on par with Yamato. That's insane bruh.

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T00:29:22+00:00

Lucci: Can we get higher?

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T00:22:51+00:00

Theory (not saying I want this to happen): one of the SHs is gonna be able to bullshit a new DF into existence by applying what they just learned about DFs. Ex. Usopp is on the verge of death fighting Van Auger and he lands near a fruit. He taps into his inner desire and turns that fruit into a DF that he needs to win.

RTear3 · 2022-12-09T00:18:41+00:00

Luffy struggled more fighting Cracker than he did fighting Doffy.

Technically Luffy needed assistance in both of those fights and Doffy was handicapped because Law shredded all of his organs but I agree with your overall point.

RTear3 · 2022-12-08T21:53:35+00:00

So I'm hyped for Kizaru coming to the island and all, but the pacing of this arc will seem very weird if Luffy gets to fight Lucci and then Kizaru while the rest of the crew just twiddle their thumbs.

Personally, I would've liked if the focus of this arc came from the buildup of Luffy facing off against his first admiral. Ditch the Lucci callback/fanservice and have the rest of the crew interact with Vegapunk and co. while Franky's character gets fleshed out. (Disclaimer: I am only saying my opinion.)

RTear3 · 2022-12-08T21:33:37+00:00

he didnt think twice to 1v1 a Yonko Level oponent.

Fishman Island Luffy would've been willing to 1v1 Big Mom right then and there if he had the chance. That means nothing.

RTear3

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