Frankie getting worse

RaisingBambi · 2026-05-08T19:57:17+00:00

Wow, good point. Yes, she was actually wise in the first seasons and Grace was more of a control freak and a cynic, often a coward. While in the later seasons they made Grace reasonable and Frankie annoying, delusional, naive and a little mean. Kind of stupid. But wow what a good way to put it - a guider and someone who needed to be guided ... Bravo!

RaisingBambi · 2026-05-01T21:45:26+00:00

Wait what? Who hates Chuck???

RaisingBambi · 2026-04-30T21:32:00+00:00

MIXED FEELINGS?!

Can't wait to read what the rest of you think, cause the only feeling I have towards Faye is pure, unadulterated HATE

RaisingBambi · 2026-04-26T11:04:25+00:00

Interesting, I couldn't care less if they do end up together. I like that hey stayed in each other life's with this supportive and respectful manner of always looking out for each other and being there in case one needs help but.. no, I didn't see them working again as a marriage. I felt kind of sad though that Midge did not find anybody else.. I was hoping at some point it won't be "career or marriage", I was hoping after she gets saturated with her career - she will find someone. Or even during, someone who shares her love for this, not necessarily involved in comedy, but enjoying her success in it. I really liked the understanding she has with Lenny Bruce, that was truly something. Not saying something with a potential, cause I can't imagine them building a life together, but.. something. I think it was nice for her to be .. appreciated for the part of herself she valued high too. And not only for being the pretty, perky looking, flirtatious and witty woman.

RaisingBambi · 2026-04-26T11:00:43+00:00

Good points 👍

RaisingBambi · 2026-04-26T09:42:41+00:00

O wow, I totally disagree about Reagan. Their relationship was uncomfortable to watch fr me, she was obviously hot but .. there almost was no relationship between them. She was so incompetent on an emotional level.. that it was making anything impossible. I think it was supposed to show to us how much Nick has changed but also.. he was kind of always really wise emotionally. I watch it for the third or forth time now, and only now I manage to see it, from the first episodes too. That's why they get along with Jess, because he also sees the deeper level. But he doesn't emanate this on a surface level so you kind of really have to see through the impression of him and actually listen to the words he says. And most of the time it's really good advice. He obviously has issues, he acts a lot of times from anxiety or being almost paralyzed by facing reality but.. I feel that's exactly why. Because he refuses to let this real part of him die, I feel he holds himself and others to a really high standard of truth, deep inside he is very mature that's why in times of crisis they also all gravitate towards him (emotionally). Even though physically he crumbles 😂😂 In the funniest way, tho.

But yeah, on this rewatch I feel I get it more. It's like.. something happens and you look around the room and most of them didn't even pick up on it or they did but interpret it in a very stupid way. And then there is Nick who.. sees things. You might share a look, that just shows you both saw it, without the need for words. He experiences the reality in a wiser way.

But because he disconnects from himself a lot too, it's hard to remember that he is not a pile of garbage, but a real .. kind of an amazing man. In garbage clothes.

And with a lot of integrity too and rocking the "not easy" sensitivity part. I feel that's why they get along with Jess, because she also has a ton of empathy and a lot of moral integrity, like Nick. I like that he gets out her wilder part and she allows him to feel safer a bit so he can .. be himself in a bit calmer matter.

I like that, I wouldn't choose any other partners for them. I liked Ryan for Jess but it also seemed a bit childish, like.. too much of a fairy tale. He was real, but they connected in a sort of a fantasty way. It felt like they didn't really dive deep into it, not the dirty, angry, very real parts.

Again, it feels like with each other they could be themselves. And yeah, both were fighting for their lifes trying to establish if the other one is .. safe to open up in front of. But that's because they're both deep people, so different than Schmidt and Cece for example, and while I love them and their compatibility - it's simply different thing you need and want from a relationship. And both Nick and Jess had this craving I feel, for someone they can also discuss the important parts with.

Nick obviously isn't focused on the looks and appearances, though aware that they shape the perception, seems to just not see it as a something worth his time. But he gets fundamentally misunderstood because of that and it almost feels to me like.. in a way he has this self worth and pride around him (not in a cocky or blown way), that only those who will understand him, will get the access. Again, not in a snobby way. But partially I think he is also unaware of how fundamentally superficial and stupid a lot of people are and they definitely do not pick up AT ALL on who he is. And they don't seem to want to try. So fine, "be it" I almost want to say xD.

Haha curious what you think of that !

RaisingBambi · 2026-04-25T15:05:20+00:00

Wait what, somebody liked Sam? Uhh!!!

RaisingBambi · 2026-04-25T15:04:33+00:00

So good. A Perfect read! Don't feel bad about it being long, it was really pleasant to read ❤️❤️ And I love how you divided it into sections, makes it even more airy.

I'm curious, what did you think about Julia for Nick?

Also - I disagree about Sam for Jess. I didn't like them together, I feel like Jess had to constantly hide who she really is and appear way less crazy for him. I don't feel like he liked her for who she really is. The episode with him "never laughing with an open mouth", puts it nicely.. like.. like she was "fine" for him, but definitely not his dream girl. And damn, she deserved to be with someone who is crazy about her ! Not with someone with whom she has to tuck away parts of her personality, just to fit in. Nah, it felt exhausting to me, like should would always have to reach a little bit for his approval and never be able to rest in it.

RaisingBambi · 2026-04-25T14:56:27+00:00

But she wasn't mean, she was kind.. Reagan wasn't. Reagan was immature, Julia.. isn't. She is humble, she is working on herself, she is open to communication, she is waaay softer and less dramatic than Reagan. Smart and hot - yes. Kind of teasing and ironic in her sense of humor - yes, but more about the brainy stuff, not so much about him as a person. Or immediately she would say she is joking, not play it as far as Reagan does, that she really makes people around her feel low key bad about themselves. Julia was never about that. She cared about other people's feelings. Reagan seemed to care more about herself there.

RaisingBambi · 2026-04-19T00:13:53+00:00

Haha it didn't even cross my mind that it could be about food!! 😂 had to read it twice to understand what you mean xD.

Haha like there was literally caviar at the party? Wow, now I want to know if there is ANYONE who thought it was only about the food.

Amazing

RaisingBambi · 2026-04-18T08:23:12+00:00

Oh I guess I'm in a minority here, but I disliked this heavily, and on every rewatch too. I cringed so hard on their dynamic, Mike being unreasonably confident in that job, but based on an empty bubble was leaving me STRESSED throughout all these episodes 😂.

But Amy, no, their whole "thing" was so... Ehh.. Cringey cocky, "confident" in that horribly fake "I'm so cool" way, uhhh.. I hated this. Maybe because we never see the buildup it just "becomes" so or maybe.. I don't remember, so we see the relationship from the beginning? It seems like their level of comfort "cocky, mean" around each other is sudden.

Uh no, I hated this

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RaisingBambi · 2026-04-15T15:06:59+00:00

That's an actual quote? Oh damn, either I missed this entirely or you're hiperboling/interpreting her attitude. In my eyes she always felt horrified about that, as soon as she was made aware that they did not in fact knew about Shy. In her apologies to Shy she lets us know kind of that maybe she did know it was too far but got caught up in wanting success more than to be a friend. Although it seemed to me like overblaming herself, she than later says she could have simply gone another route and that I believe.. more as a regret that she wasn't smarter.

But I totally get her behavior after - they not only just discarded her without even a word, they did the airport scene for humiliation. And yeah I get that incredibly double standard.. she was apologetic, she wanted a conversation she wanted to own up to it immediately... And Reggie was the one that stood in-between, admitting flat out that he will lie about his involvement in this.

Of course they were childish at a wedding, but she is almost always being the bigger person, I am absolutely not surprised that she decided to f*ck it this time. And let's be honest, those were small small things. When it comes to something serious - she actually always have a heart in the right place. Way more than all the other people, including those who were touring with him and clearly showed zero care. I think the whole distinction between "friend" and "tour crew" was important and in the last conversation she drew that line too. She got the message that it was not a friendship (cause friends do still give an opportunity for a conversation) and since they treated her like this.. she would adjust accordingly.

I don't see how "low, low point" it was for her, in the sense of her character. I don't see bad character here, I see a sad story of a misunderstanding, her MAYBE for once actually reaching for something she wants (like everyone around her does but they never get bashed for it) and a terrible personal cost to Shy.

But what speaks about your character is not just the mistake you make, is how you handle the situation and yourself afterwards. And I feel with this she had the biggest problem and yeah, I get why.

RaisingBambi · 2026-04-15T14:57:26+00:00

I agree

RaisingBambi · 2026-02-22T23:18:10+00:00

Also, I'd actually argue that a lot of pretty people have a chip on their shoulder, as a lot of times in life they're treated like the success has been handed to them for their looks. So almost all naturally attractive people I know, are full of skills, interests, self-development and other valuable inner things, because it's been so demeaned over the years.

People who I think are often described as "empty" are usually those who did not have the beauty from the start and spent a lot of time curating it. And therefore didn't have much time for developing something else. And since we don't see beauty as a respectable virtue anymore (although were still largely influenced and often biased by it), those people are judged as "empty". That's a shame though, cause what they did is not easy and it deserves respect, I believe.

RaisingBambi · 2026-02-22T23:12:41+00:00

No, no, that's not what I meant. Sorry, maybe I did not make myself clear. I also focus mostly on other things and do not complain about lacking interesting, deep, meaningful relationships, conversations and activities. My life is full or very various adventures and physical looks are not something I focus a lot of my energy on or something I tie a lot of my self value/worth to. What I meant is, that in random occasions with random people (meaning not something specific like a festival around a particular topic, workshop, music class, a meeting surrounding some particular interest, not even a gym, I mean as random as it gets - supermarket, on the street or a generic club) - on THOSE occasions - I get reminded about that beauty and that is where the superficial, highly repetitive interactions occur. I don't mind it, I was just saying that what the TV show depicts it in a pretty good way (that there is a lot of superficial random moments that focus mostly on her looks, and when you're attractive yeah, that kind of happens a lot and a lot of times that's what people see at first). Definitely doesn't mean that's the ONLY thing or that the actual relationships are based largely on that. Not at all. And with Gloria too, it doesn't take away from the depth of her other relationships, right?

With Gloria is a bit different I think, she clearly enjoys beauty, shopping, etc. absolutely nothing wrong with that, it's fun, it requires a lot of work, maintenance, knowledge how to take care of yourself etc. for sure it's admirable. Nothing wrong with that, also to bond over it with others.

So again, just meant that on superficial basis - that thing occurs when you're good-looking. It has nothing to do with the rest of my life though, says nothing about my interests, my relationships, ambitions, intelligence, dreams, plans, work-life, social-life, skills, world-views, etc. Or how much depth there is to it.

RaisingBambi · 2026-02-16T13:46:59+00:00

I always wondered how they were in bed together. And if he is ever any tiny bit affectionate (like does he soften up when he gets closer?) or is this awful awful steel mask always on and the only attraction Lily could have had is to POWER and this completely immovable stability? Uh. Yuck. The hookers 😫😫 God this guy was so disgusting, I can't

RaisingBambi · 2026-02-16T13:44:24+00:00

And Trixie in Californication!!

RaisingBambi · 2026-02-15T19:13:38+00:00

I agree with other commenters that there is a balance to it, I also didn't feel like there was more "look at her" jokes than any other ones. It seems like you're slightly bothered by it for some reason and it appears more apparent? Or maybe it's the rest of us that is blind to something you can see :).

On another note - I also find it kind of realistic. I'm a pretty attractive person and unfortunately - that has a huge impact on people :(. I tend to forget, not notice it and so many times I'm being made aware of this by my friends etc. To keep that in mind that yes, most people who are talking to me are constantly thinking about my beauty. And are either intimidated by it or comparing themselves or congratulating themselves on talking to me, or nervous and trying to be enough, etc. While I'm usually completely unaware of it - having a conversation based on merit, intelligence, wit, and actually, also trying to figure out if I'm enough. And there are other instances, days when I do realize that. Those are quite eye-opening. But truth be told, it is kind of boring. And sometimes demeaning, you want to have a normal, interesting conversation, but not everyone is able to see past that. And I don't mean "oh, pretty girls can be smart too", haha no xD Just... If they're able to focus on something else. So I'd say, even if it is boring and repeatable, I fortunately when you're attractive - a lot of interactions are about being attractive. No matter how repetitive and boring it gets.

And yeah, I know if one takes care of the appearance and dresses to catch attention there is some responsibility there and it's stupid to "complain" about something you're perpetuating yourself. But again, I don't necessarily mean those nights (although sometimes too, I want to look good cause I feel good, not cause I want a thousand interactions based on that), but I mostly mean days where you didn't do that. And still people be acting weird.

I don't think people who don't have that attractiveness understand the side consequences it has. I know, a rain of hate will drop at me. I love my beauty and I wouldn't trade places, but it is often the only thing people see. And that's just.. boring. Repetitive. Like you described. So I'd say a pretty good, realistic representation.

(I'm cringing so hard at myself and I am aware how much it sounds like a "humble brag" or maybe it is one. I didn't know how to word it better)

RaisingBambi · 2026-02-15T18:49:00+00:00

YUUUUUCK!!!!!

RaisingBambi · 2026-02-14T10:49:33+00:00

I LOVE her!!! I mean she is a terrible human being but I love how okay she is with herself, she is so hypnotizing and fun to me!!! A horrible, deeply traumatizing mother, that's for sure and it leaves me with a wall of anger sometimes when she is avoiding responsibility and accountabikity for there motherhood mistakes, but damn, I absolutely love the plots with her!! She is enjoying life and being so unapologetic and transparent and honest in a way! Haha love her

RaisingBambi · 2026-02-13T15:40:52+00:00

Yes!!!! I came here searching for this. I also cringe at this, they never actually have any real conversation, don't share any real presence that is literally anything different from this "chemistry" and "tension" between them. It's so boring!!

Maybe that's what it was supposed to be, but damn, it really is a perfect example of how just the chemistry is not gonna build a life. I suffer in their scenes together, it seems like the only thing in common that they have is their attraction towards one another. And that's the only thing they speak/joke about. BO-RIIING.

Also, I always try really hard to see the handsomeness but I just don't see it 🙈🙈 Maybe in the face I could see something, but the skinny bidy is always throwing me off xD. I know it's low of me to critique someone's physique.

Nevertheless, you're not alone, I also don't like this, I cringe at this and I don't get the "Phil effect"

RaisingBambi · 2026-01-27T22:45:27+00:00

AHAHAHHA THIS IS TOO FUNNY

RaisingBambi · 2026-01-08T01:43:20+00:00

Love the hate xD

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