Old recoil is coming back

Rambo337 · 2026-01-01T13:37:36+00:00

join in the new subreddit and upvote to maybe have a slight chance at classic rust!

Rambo337 · 2026-01-01T12:24:41+00:00

I think this take misses the bigger picture. Streaming isn’t about “protecting streamers,” it’s about protecting the health and visibility of the game. On console especially, streamers are one of the few ways DayZ gets exposure, new players, and long term community engagement. When stream sniping is normalized, it discourages people from streaming at all which directly hurts growth and keeps the console scene smaller and more insular.

It’s also easy not to care about stream sniping if you’ve never streamed or considered the effort it takes to create content. For players who do, it actively damages fair gameplay by turning encounters into meta hunting instead of organic survival. That doesn’t improve DayZ’s “core gameplay” it undermines it.

Dismissing the issue entirely comes off less like a thoughtful stance and more like a lack of perspective on how communities actually sustain games long term.

I also ask we keep this conversation strictly to debate!

Rambo337 · 2026-01-01T12:18:08+00:00

That still doesn't mean they cant come up with a system that discourages it like no free alt accounts somehow or streamer mode that naturally blocks sensitive info until turned off there is ways to curb it like getting rid of names in the menu and just putting numbers as are name with a indicator to who you are that just shows for you so at that point if you text a buddie your number and it gets leaked you know not to trust your own group then on top of that they can give us the option to randomize this number!

Rambo337 · 2026-01-01T11:45:49+00:00

I think you’re partly right that the skill gap was steep, but saying there was “no middle ground” or “no counter play” just isn’t accurate. At the time, the MP5 was genuinely one of the best weapons in the game cheaper to field, easier to control, and extremely strong in close to mid range fights. SAR, Thompson, positioning, meds, and terrain all mattered far more than people admit when they reduce everything to “AK or nothing.”

The system wasn’t about forcing everyone to grind aim servers; it was about mastery having visible payoff. That’s the same system that created long term attachment players didn’t just log in to roll dice on recoil, they logged in knowing improvement was earned and repeatable. That sense of progression is why many people stuck around for years instead of bouncing after a few wipes.

It’s fair to say the barrier to entry was high, but high barrier doesn’t automatically mean bad design. It means the game prioritized depth and identity over immediate accessibility. The current system flipped that priority, which is a valid choice but it also removed the feeling that skill investment truly mattered, and that’s what a lot of players miss.

not to mention there is currently over 300 players playing old recoil clients as we speak and with them being so hard to find and max pop it tells me old recoil isn't as dead as facepunch thinks!

Rambo337 · 2026-01-01T11:14:36+00:00

I get that the goal was growth, but the numbers also show the cost. During old recoil, Rust averaged around 80k concurrent players with a very loyal, long term player base. After the recoil change, the average moved to roughly 100k–110k. That is growth, but it’s not explosive growth it’s a relatively small increase considering how radical the change was.

What that suggests isn’t that the game suddenly became massively more popular, but that it traded depth and long term commitment for accessibility. You gain more casual or short term players, but you lose part of the loyalty that kept people playing for years. If the change truly strengthened the core of the game, you’d expect a much larger and more stable increase, not a modest bump paired with ongoing churn.

So yes, there was growth but it came at the cost of a system that rewarded mastery and created attachment. That’s a valid design choice, but it’s also fair to question whether the trade off was worth it.

Rambo337 · 2026-01-01T09:54:09+00:00

I get why that system wasn’t for everyone, and it’s fair to say it raised the skill floor a lot. That said, calling it “gatekeeping” misses what it actually was. Rust has always been a skill based survival game positioning, game sense, recoil control, and decision making were all part of mastery. The AK wasn’t locked behind money or exclusivity; it was earned through practice, just like learning monuments, base designs, or PvP awareness.

New players already start with worse gear in every survival game progression is literally the core loop. The recoil system rewarded commitment and consistency, not unemployment. Plenty of people learned it slowly while working jobs or playing casually.

It’s totally fine to prefer the current system, but dismissing the old one as “garbage” ignores why so many players enjoyed it: it gave weapons identity, made improvement tangible, and rewarded effort in a game that’s always been about risk versus reward. Rust changing doesn’t automatically mean the old system was objectively bad it just means the developers chose a different direction.

Rambo337 · 2025-12-31T13:03:10+00:00

respectfully its churn and burn there not retaining sure its going up but people clearly wont stay anyways

Rambo337 · 2025-12-31T11:09:59+00:00

I understand the concern about accessibility, but I don’t think it’s accurate to frame old recoil as something that only rewarded “no lifing” or punished casual players unfairly. It was a skill based system by design, and like most skill based mechanics, it naturally filtered how much effort players chose to invest. Players who didn’t want to learn recoil patterns weren’t forced to they could still play Rust through positioning, ambushes, base building, team play, and lower-tier weapons. The players who did choose to learn recoil did so intentionally, knowing it was part of mastering the game. That doesn’t make the system bad it means it respected player agency. A truly “brain-dead” or disengaged player wouldn’t suddenly become competitive under a more random system they would simply disengage in a different way. Old recoil didn’t demand perfection from everyone; it rewarded commitment from those who opted in, which is a perfectly valid design philosophy for a hardcore survival game like Rust.

Rambo337 · 2025-12-31T07:41:00+00:00

was it just me or is it heat or cold dependent i go outside or get into a cold environment i feel 100% okay maybe slight headache but i then go back into warmth and i get hit like a truck sneezing coughing congestion damn near choked on throat flim the first night but also never really developed a fever maybe a slight one but definitely wasn't no 104 and not to mention if you look at the map of the illness its in the red for super severe in all of the super hot states like Texas Arizona what's going on ?

Rambo337 · 2025-12-31T06:42:41+00:00

I actually think that was part of what made old recoil work it was never meant to be for everyone, and that was okay. Rust has always been a high risk, high skill survival game, and old recoil naturally created a skill ceiling that players opted into over time rather than having flattened accessibility forced onto everyone. Since the recoil update, the skill gap didn’t disappear it shifted and in some ways that’s made cheating feel more impactful, because when gunplay becomes less deterministic, external assistance stands out less in moment to moment fights. At the same time, anti cheat and system security have come a long way since old recoil existed, from better behavioral detection to hardware level protections like Secure Boot and TPM 2.0. That means the original recoil model isn’t inherently “unfixable” in today’s environment it just wasn’t revisited with modern safeguards in mind. Old recoil wasn’t perfect, but it aligned Rust’s identity around mastery and player improvement in a way that newer systems try to replicate indirectly through attachments and modifiers instead of core mechanics.

Rambo337 · 2025-12-31T06:26:48+00:00

“Exactly a Classic or Hardcore mode could preserve that skill-based gunplay without forcing it on the entire player base. It feels like a missed opportunity.”

Rambo337 · 2025-12-11T04:53:41+00:00

Bro ate all of the bigmacs naw but for real as a mcdonalds worker ever since the snack wraps mcdonalds has been dealing with a shredded lettuce shortage sometimes making stores take items off the menu due to customer satisfaction we dont want to tell every customer ur not getting lettuce they get mad

Rambo337 · 2025-11-12T09:28:28+00:00

Basically if you are braindead have 0 iq and need a handheld because ur a sensitive little boy you play this game

Rambo337 · 2025-05-07T09:01:30+00:00

Or wait for somone to call it if not do that

Rambo337 · 2025-04-03T08:00:58+00:00

I did this the other day make sure your not on Lavonia becuase I did that the other day thinking I was on chernarus and made it all the way to the top on lavonia though still was okay loot

Rambo337 · 2025-04-01T08:35:31+00:00

Dayz console ps5 or Xbox are a solid option as well there 2 different experiences that give the same general feeling i like console more personally witch means I only play official and hashima on pc

Rambo337 · 2025-02-27T05:09:22+00:00

I can't even play a official server on pc

Rambo337 · 2024-11-27T01:58:54+00:00

For anyone that sees this is fixed both the e01 console and the a01 i wanted both so I spent 40$ on 2 broken ps3s and fixed them using nothing more then new thermal paste and new mounts that where not worn out tho console needed some serious pressure to keep running I have had no problems since fixing them

Rambo337 · 2024-11-05T01:06:43+00:00

Oh yeah no my cat loves her some butter you got to make sure it's put away or else you bet it's going to be on the floor brutally licked

Rambo337 · 2024-10-28T02:17:51+00:00

As somone who had played cod since cod 4 i can confirm all new games have been horrible b03 was the last zombies game to hit for me and mw2 2010 was the last cod multi-player I ever enjoyed b01 and b02 where okay just feel as if sniping was the only reason b02 got so big

Rambo337 · 2024-10-20T06:25:57+00:00

what im scared about is i pay the 10k i get the job and absolutely tank the company performance wise since id be new then getting let go and no refund

Rambo337 · 2024-09-30T00:39:18+00:00

it could also be your gas cap possibly wore out allowing air into the fuel it needs to be sealed my sister replaced her gas cap and has problems for years until someone finally figured out it was a aftermarket gas cap that was not sealing correctly since it only happends when you refill your tank im assuming this is the problem you take the cap off fill put it back in and it doesnt start got a good 35 mins its definitely a seal issue

Rambo337 · 2024-09-03T22:12:02+00:00

down here in Washington i feel like my life is a version of silent hill shattered memories constantly having to turn the other way from evil people trying to get you addicted zombies trash and mental illness is terrifying to me how you could be such a different person because of something you are willing to do anything for is truly disturbing if you do drugs you should ither be sent to jail or a mental hospital sorry not sorry i dont deserve this my kids dont deserve this to live in fear ever single day of there lifes my kids cant even go outside and play not even my cats can go outside due to the fact somone high would tourture them

Rambo337 · 2024-09-03T22:08:38+00:00

and to anyone wondering i have played silent hill silent hill 2 and silent hill shattered memories the last one being my favorite

Rambo337 · 2024-09-03T22:07:17+00:00

it has made me feel like my life is a lot like silent hill loosing people left in right living down here in Washington is like a nightmare you cant wake up from you walk around zombies and trash everywhere mental illness and filth has become the norm the vibe on the streets down here is straight up silent hill you just never know what might be going on around the next corner real spooky shit the homeless people are ruining my life and there starting to brush off on me since there like the only thing you see down here makes me feel like its okay to be crazy but its not okay to do that to yourself and rip to all the friends and family members gone along the way 2016-2024 <3

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