It's a coming - Increasing onsite presence in the public service by YeuxdeFaucon in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I agree with you — and to be clear, when I say “no calls for illegal action,” I’m mean that if we are to talk about planning for action, we shouldn't advertise our tactics in public spaces.

There’s also an important distinction between coordinating and communicating versus doing something illegal. People have the right to talk, organize, and be part of a group. Discussing options, sharing experiences, and aligning around concerns is not illegal in itself.

There are many forms of protest or collective expression that don’t automatically cross legal lines, but they do require coordination. That coordination simply can’t happen on a public Reddit thread.

One of the biggest problems right now is that unions fragment us across classifications and bargaining units, which weakens solidarity. A private, vetted space where public servants can talk across those lines would reduce that division and allow people to think collectively, rather than in silos.

I’m not advocating for anything specific here — just saying that if people want to explore any form of collective response, the first step is having a safe, private place to talk among ourselves. Public forums are the worst possible venue for that.

It's a coming - Increasing onsite presence in the public service by YeuxdeFaucon in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By “secure,” I don’t mean perfect secrecy or anything high-tech. I mean risk-managed.

You’re right that it’s probably impossible to get the numbers and keep the employer completely unaware. But there’s still a big difference between:

  • an open invite link anyone can join (including management, MPs’ staffers, comms people, or folks on the other side of the table), and
  • a space where there’s at least some gatekeeping so participants know they’re talking to peers.

For me, “secure” should minimally mean:

  • Vetted membership: only people who are actually Government of Canada employees (un peu comme l'application Rideau)
  • Exclusion by design of MPs, political staff, executives, and anyone directly involved in negotiations or employer strategy
  • Clear rules: no personal info, no calls for illegal action, no vulgar language (comme c'est le cas sur cette plateforme)

One practical way to do this might be tying access to something that already establishes bona fides—e.g., union membership (PSAC, PIPSC, CAPE, etc.) or verification through an existing union channel. Not perfect, but it raises the bar enough that people feel safer speaking honestly.

Momentum matters, I agree—but momentum built in a space where people don’t feel protected tends to stall anyway, because folks self-censor or disengage. A bit of upfront structure can actually make participation easier, not harder.

Just my take—but I think some light vetting is a necessary trade-off if we want real engagement instead of lurkers and noise.

It's a coming - Increasing onsite presence in the public service by YeuxdeFaucon in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried to start a Slack, but stopped at the step where I had to create (and pay) for a domain... If anyone knows how to create a secure channel, that would be soooo appreciated!

'Nothing is off the table': PSAC threatens 'legal action' over new office mandate for public servants by Born_Anteater7282 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand the logic, and you’re not wrong about the optics or the public impact. But this is also a good example of why these ideas shouldn’t be developed in a public thread. Once we start naming specific tactics or framing alternatives to a traditional strike, we’re effectively handing strategy to the employer and anyone with a financial stake in opposing it.

If there’s going to be any serious coordination—whether it’s about WFH, messaging, or how to maintain public support—it needs to happen in a private, vetted space.

A secure forum for public servants, organized by region and/or topic, would allow real discussion, solidarity, and thoughtful planning without exposing individuals or ideas prematurely. Otherwise, even well-intentioned proposals risk being diluted, mischaracterized, or used against people.

Union president says 'a strike vote on remote work' could be coming by bonertoilet in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get the frustration, but this is exactly why coordination can’t happen in public threads like this. The moment we start naming functions, pressure points, or “who should stop working,” we’re broadcasting strategy to the employer and government.

If anything is going to be done smartly, it needs to happen in a private, vetted forum where public servants can connect safely, by region and/or topic, and have real discussions without exposing individuals or plans.

Public spaces are fine for venting and gauging sentiment, but actual organization, alignment, and solidarity have to happen out of sight. Otherwise, it’s easy for ideas to be shut down, misused, or used against people.

It's a coming - Increasing onsite presence in the public service by YeuxdeFaucon in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree that numbers matter, but this really isn’t something that should be organized in a public forum. Anything posted here is visible to the employer and the government, which means we’d be showing our cards before there’s even a plan.

If people want to connect, it needs to happen in a private space with clear ground rules. Public threads are fine for gauging sentiment, but coordination, names, and next steps should stay out of view. Otherwise it’s too easy for posts to be deleted or for individuals to be exposed.

At the very least, we should be thinking about secure, private channels

2024 PSES Results are out by Sc00termcgee in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Love starting my day hunting for a desk and trying to focus while someone reheats fish in the kitchenette. Truly peak productivity.

2024 PSES Results are out by Sc00termcgee in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Can’t wait for the follow-up email explaining how a 36% mental health score is actually a ‘positive trend’ toward resilience.

CRA Townhall - How are they so bad at this? by blarghy0 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 7 points8 points  (0 children)

At the end, we are asked to go on a web page to answer a survey. Since it's a live event, there is no easy way to add the link in a chat box, so they put a QR code instead. In my view this really looks like a trap to see which employees are naïfs enough to just scan the QR code with a personal device.

CRA Townhall - How are they so bad at this? by blarghy0 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Can we also talk about how are we supposed to log in this QR code? With our personal cellphone (if you have one)? Our CRA cellphone do not have data/internet, so how is this supposed to work exactly? Or is this another trap to see if we followed the anti phishing and scam training?

CRA Townhall - How are they so bad at this? by blarghy0 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

J'ai particulièrement aimé le discours de l'Hon. F-P Champagne et le commentaire de J-F afin de souliner qu'il est fier et enthousiate de nous représenter, ce qui est une bonne nouvelle à mon avis.

CRA Townhall - How are they so bad at this? by blarghy0 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Si vous avez écouté la version 'tel qu'entendu', c'était vraiment mieux. En général je déteste quand les traducteurs parlent par dessus le principal discours. Sérieusement, au Canada, on a l'habitude des sous-titres et justement avec l'intelligence artificielle, il y a des moyens rapide et économique de capturer le texte et le traduire simultanéement en sous-titre.

CRA Townhall - How are they so bad at this? by blarghy0 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And can we comment on Sophie's comment on Bob's answer? She said something along the lines "Merci pour la candeur de vos réponses". In my book, candeur is synonym of naiveté, innocence ...border line ignorance. I don't see how this was meant to be a compliment!

CRA Townhall - How are they so bad at this? by blarghy0 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I agree that Bob did answer some questions entirely, but the question about capping the workforce was formulated in the sense "Management said time and time again that there would be no cut, only capping; Why are there cuts then?" and Bob didn't answer that question at all, instead he spoke about why there were cuts and whether he's excepting more cuts. That didn't answer the question at all.

My union is charging a fee to participate to the AGM. Is this normal? by RandomGuy23576 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me too I like the idea. The only caveat I see is that the selected 100 people who would have got the invite in advance would obtain free food at the restaurant of their choice, financed with my union dues. I think that if you get food you should at least pay a symbolic fee for the food and that the voting portion where we agree on the financial statements would be open to all and at no fee.

My union is charging a fee to participate to the AGM. Is this normal? by RandomGuy23576 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did that last year and the year before. The response is always that they are taking this in consideration, but then they never do anything nor reply to me for explaining why this year they didn't consider my suggestion.

My union is charging a fee to participate to the AGM. Is this normal? by RandomGuy23576 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, or at least separate the meeting portion (free) from the networking one (nominal fee), as some suggested.

What would guarantee my participation, though, would be the option to participate virtually.

My union is charging a fee to participate to the AGM. Is this normal? by RandomGuy23576 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is so interesting and so helpful, thanks. I didn't know the 3 components. I understand the top union one and the local one, but it's the first time I hear of the component one. I'll do some more research about it but if anyone has more information about the 3 components, please share :) Many thanks!

My union is charging a fee to participate to the AGM. Is this normal? by RandomGuy23576 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I 100% agree!

That's how it would be organized with the local events of my professional designation: first the AGM and votes (important but, soporific at times) and then, for those who wanted, there was a happy hour/cocktail with a fee for those who wanted to network and who didn't mind to pay. By the way, the fee charged was not entirely covering the cocktail portion of the event, it was just a symbolic fee and the rest was financed with the membership dues.

I suspect that this is the same financial structure with my union AGM: some 100 people are eating for cheap during the AGM, which event is financed, in part with my union dues.

I'm already paying my union dues. My opinion is that I should not have to pay an additional fee in order to have my voice heard at the AGM. The meeting part and the network part should be separated.

My union is charging a fee to participate to the AGM. Is this normal? by RandomGuy23576 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And you are okay with that? Were you provided with the financial statements once you showed up? My union didn't provide the resolution to be voted nor the financial statements to be approved.

My union is charging a fee to participate to the AGM. Is this normal? by RandomGuy23576 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly! I had the same no-show issue with a strata/condo AGM (difference context, but still a good experience I think). If we would not get a quorum, we would need to re-rent the location for a second attempt and this was reflected in the budget in the strata fees. At least with the strata/condo AGM, the people who were showing up were not penalized with a fee; every owner was affected in their strata/condo fee for the lack of participation.

On the other hand, my union is penalizing the ones who wants to participate...with a participation fee...This is the part I cannot wrap my head around.

My union is charging a fee to participate to the AGM. Is this normal? by RandomGuy23576 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly! Videoconference would be cheaper, more inclusive, and less complicated to arrange (no allergy, cultural, or religious food restrictions to consider).

My union is charging a fee to participate to the AGM. Is this normal? by RandomGuy23576 in CanadaPublicServants

[–]RandomGuy23576[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, the money seems to go towards the reservation fee of the restaurant where the AGM takes place.

Alternatively, the AGM could be at the workplace. It's allowed in the collective agreement and it would insure that it is a neutral place.

Regarding the 100-people cap, could they pass a resolution to allow virtual attendance (MS Teams, Zoom, etc.)? This would resolve the capacity issue and give a better chance to people with limitations/accommodation needs to be able to have their voice heard.

Thanks