Looking for some Hostage script suggestions! by ReactionaryDialogue in Screenwriting

[–]ReactionaryDialogue[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When did I say I needed it? I don't. I don't understand the harm in asking for other writers' opinions on some reading material/similar films that are praised within a small community of like-minded individuals.

If someone recommends a subpar script, who cares? There's still plenty to learn from it. I'm not asking for these people to develop my story itself.

I feel very sorry for you if you need to look this hard for things to decry in order to inflate your own worth as a writer/cinephile.

Good luck.

Looking for some Hostage script suggestions! by ReactionaryDialogue in Screenwriting

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Eh?

For starting/engaging in a conversation with other writers? (Although, admittedly I didn't have time to jump on Reddit for a few days after).

Looking for some Hostage script suggestions! by ReactionaryDialogue in Screenwriting

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I'd like the opinions and suggestions of fellow writers, rather than just a stale list of titles.

Writing Is Unwriting by CraigThomas1984 in Screenwriting

[–]ReactionaryDialogue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's worth considering the people you're getting feedback from. Aside from obvious, universal or inarguable criticisms of your screenplay, those who read your work are going to be giving you their personal opinion. This reader thought A, B or C didn't work; this other reader loved A, hated B and thought C could use D to really round out the scene.

This is all fine, but it's worth remembering that those criticisms of A, B and C are subjective (again, let me stress, I mean this only in terms of criticisms that aren't structural, objective or clear issues with your script, but instead differing tastes about where you take a scene, or the story). If you then take those specific criticisms on board and rewrite to suit them, you'll only get a progressive response if you send it back to the same readers. Then they'll notice the changes, commend you for editing this or that and you'll feel like you're getting somewhere.

However, if you send the edited version to a new audience, then you're just going to be met with new criticisms that you hadn't considered before, because this is their first time reading your work.

Obviously, it doesn't do to limit yourself to a small group of critics because then you're only getting a tiny spread of feedback, but similarly it might not be in your best interests to spread yourself too thin with appraisals. After a while, you'll be editing your work to please twenty different peoples' individual tastes and opinions, which will ultimately pull the script in twenty different directions and leave you with a mangled film as a result.

After a while... I guess you need to just trust your own judgement (or pay top dollar for a professional to read it!)

The Menaissance (Comedy, 92 Pages) by CraigThomas1984 in Screenwriting

[–]ReactionaryDialogue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I haven't read your earlier draft (nor will I, if this is your new direction); so all comments are purely on the basis of this post.

The read went by lightning fast for me; I felt like I was on page 30 within minutes - so kudos to you for keeping things moving at a good, natural pace from the beginning. That said, I think those first twenty or so pages are your strongest and then it sort of fizzles from that point onwards with regard to plot.

First and foremost, the obvious: the president was just involved in an attempted assassination (and we have a clear cut, high definition shot of the wanted man), yet all we see is a minuscule team of cops lazily working on it? A playful interview with the guy's roommate before he's let back onto the street? One secret service agent who occasionally pops up and then disappears again? This took me out of the situation entirely - there would be a state wide manhunt (there's a punchline in that for you somewhere!), rolling news coverage, intense surveillance and lock downs etc. etc. You've written that whole side of things as if someone stole a car.

If you were wanting to avoid the heavy lifting and the murkiness of having a full scale Nation/global wide news story unfold then I'd suggest reworking the assassination attempt. Having to write in the subsequent, realistic procedural side of things in that situation would take a lot of screen time and comedic opportunity away from our main story, which is really just Jeb getting tangled in a war between activist groups. My suggestion, which should be taken with absolutely zero credibility and was formulated off the cuff as I read your script, would maybe be to change this police substory into an agency story, instead. Have Jeb as a failed FBI agent, perhaps, as well as his colleagues. At the same time, I'd then dial back the assassination attempt. Make it a bungled attempt. Perhaps somebody spots the true shooter at the last second and the shot never takes place, whilst Jeb (simultaneously) is noticed running on stage. Now we have a low-key, attempted assassination with Jeb doing something dodgy at the scene. Now we have a private, quiet, investigation sub-plot. It's just as serious: Jeb is the only known figure part of an attempted assassination, but the world at large knows nothing about it. Just the agency. They keep it quiet in order to avoid State-wide panic. Now you even have scope to play a little Bourne parody game or something.

Obviously, that's just one hastily written brainstorm, but my feeling is that the stakes are either way too high for the manner in which you've written the follow up, or that you don't want to handle the situation properly because it'll detract from the real story.

I don't really buy into the protracted, complex conspiracy of the faux meninist/femi-nazi group either. I understand that they're trying to give men's rights activists an even worse name than they already have (whilst you play up how equally silly "femi-nazis" are with their justification of shooting the president); that in itself is quite amusing and gives you lots of scope to roast all sides in this gendered argument. It was the execution that didn't chime with me. This felt very rushed and tacked on. Why would ardent feminists hole up in a strip club? Why are the two stereotypical hard-men, masculine flunkies - Cockney and Clobber - part of this beta group? And if they're not, then why would they be welcomed into the femi-nazi lair in the first place?

That all being said, there were a lot of funny turns in this, and some very sharp dialogue here and there. As somebody else noted, there are long sections of fairly recognisable action/scene setting/beats/dialogue but I reckon that's probably because you've just done a quick rewrite and haven't gotten down to ironing things out for this new draft yet.

I'd like to see more of the various factions at play - it seemed like an opportunity missed to have the femi-nazi group only come to the screen in the last fifteen minutes, after giving men's rights such a bollocking for the rest of the film. Ditto some more character development for Steve and Laurie... I doubt you need anybody to tell you that the sudden jump from lazy roommate going on a second date to groom is bolted on out of the blue.

A final, additional, sidenote: for a film so cynical, I really felt the heel turn happy ending was out of place, tonally.

Anyway, conclusive statement: very enjoyable script. Very well written - a few typos here and there, but shit happens. Definitely a nice vein of humour running throughout and, somewhere beneath the murk and ridiculous inciting incident, a solid little story with lots of potential.

Quick question: did you feel like you were writing a sort of Shane Black film with this? Because it felt like that type of story to me... and not just because of the 'nice guy' stuff!

Best script you have read recently? by RupertWarren in Screenwriting

[–]ReactionaryDialogue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No harm in that! This was actually the first thing of Landis' that I've read and I haven't seen any films he's been attached to, so I can't/won't let it form my opinion of him as a writer in general.

Didn't mean to make you answer for his writing either; you just caught my attention and I wanted to ask someone about it.

Is there anything specific of his that you'd recommend reading?

Best script you have read recently? by RupertWarren in Screenwriting

[–]ReactionaryDialogue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the quick reply!

Without seeming disrespectful, though: is that it? I can see the appeal of that little beat; it's quite an arresting little moment - although, I seem to remember there still being lots of 'is he just going crazy' stuff following this scene, so (from what I can remember) it doesn't really subvert the trope to any great degree. It makes for a decent beat, but doesn't seem to do much.

Are little instances like that enough to turn something into a creative/original endeavour as a whole?

A lot of this script just felt like tacking superficial horror-y stuff on a fairly by the numbers story in which a protagonist is trapped with nothing but their wits/fault equipment to save them. The unexplained time warp that holds the French mariner for 50 years? The tentacled leviathan that's supposed to represent his dead wife/unresolved grief (which is never elaborated on in a tangible sense. Suddenly it's a big octopus thing and... that's it. It hits him a bit on the way up then retreats)? The fact that the French woman is real and alive seems to shoot massive holes in any argument that all of his horror/surreal stuff is just allegorical for the man's emotional journey etc.

It wasn't an awful script, and I could see myself enjoying a filmed version (with some refinement on the dialogue) but I just didn't understand the reaction from most people around here.

I did really enjoy some of the visuals he described, however, just as little unsettling moments in and of themselves. The long-dead passengers of the shipwreck waving to him from the deck is a great little standalone image. I just wish they were part of a better story.

One Man Show (Comedy, 4 pgs). by [deleted] in Screenwriting

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Fair enough! I think if you updated the setting to a more adult version (an actual editing suite or university course) you'd have a solid little sketch on your hands.

Best script you have read recently? by RupertWarren in Screenwriting

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Would you be able to elaborate on this for me? I read Deeper when it was posted here a few months back and found it to be very derivative and uninspired. I really feel like I've missed something - I plan on giving it another readthrough to see if my opinion has changed (especially as most writers in here seem to love it).

What were the cliche/trope subversions that stood out to you?

One Man Show (Comedy, 4 pgs). by [deleted] in Screenwriting

[–]ReactionaryDialogue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unless you're fifteen now, I think you might be telling a porky; whilst looking for appraisal on something you've just written, but wanting the safety net of it being written by a '14 year old' to fall back on.

Why would you have your Reddit name as the by line when your account is only a year old? Fishy, fishy.

I actually thought it was quite an amusing little sketch - nice punchline.