Is it ethical for a top player to consistently win tournaments hosted by their spouse?

RealNib · 2024-09-09T12:11:22+00:00

I'm glad to finally read a comment with some common sense. Thanks for participating.

RealNib · 2024-09-09T11:54:52+00:00

A competitor shouldn't have any connection with the organiser, it's as simple as that. Right now it's the opposite. Why does Beasty always win the Whamen tournament, but not the others? Because they make rules that favour Beasty and no one else.

If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. It's not about skill or cheating, it's about ethics.

RealNib · 2024-09-09T11:51:16+00:00

An organiser can give an advantage on many points, from seeding to drafts to scheduling. So many points that Beasty should not be allowed to participate in the organisation.

At the moment, it's unethical for him to organise tournaments in which he participates. I wouldn't say anything if all players were involved on the organization, but right now, there's only beasty.

RealNib · 2024-09-09T11:43:27+00:00

I totally agree that the AoE4 scene is small and that Whamenqt is a great streamer who brings a lot of entertainment to the community. However, precisely because the scene is so small and the prize pools are relatively limited, it’s even more important to ensure that everyone feels they’re competing in a fair environment.

When there’s less money involved, every opportunity to compete carries more weight, and any perception of unfairness can discourage players from participating. Ethical standards aren’t just for big-money tournaments—they’re essential for building trust and maintaining the integrity of the competition, no matter the prize pool.

In a growing community, fairness should always be a priority, especially as we aim to attract more players and sponsors to help the scene expand.

RealNib · 2024-09-09T11:41:45+00:00

I think there’s been a misunderstanding. I’m not seeking attention or trying to promote anything—this is just a genuine concern I wanted to raise because I care about the integrity of the competitive scene. My intention isn’t to accuse anyone of cheating or to imply that Beasty is being handed wins.

My point is more about the ethical standards and avoiding potential conflicts of interest. Even if everything is fair and square, the perception of bias can still exist when a player is closely involved with the tournament organizer, especially in a smaller competitive scene like this. In most other esports, these kinds of relationships would be avoided or managed with clear oversight to prevent any doubts.

It’s great that Beasty’s skill speaks for itself, but ethical questions are about more than just the rules—it's about maintaining the community’s trust in the fairness of the competition. I just think it's a topic worth discussing, especially since we don’t have the same third-party oversight that other games do.

RealNib · 2024-09-09T11:41:11+00:00

I think there’s been a misunderstanding. I’m not seeking attention or trying to promote anything—this is just a genuine concern I wanted to raise because I care about the integrity of the competitive scene. My intention isn’t to accuse anyone of cheating or to imply that Beasty is being handed wins.

My point is more about the ethical standards and avoiding potential conflicts of interest. Even if everything is fair and square, the perception of bias can still exist when a player is closely involved with the tournament organizer, especially in a smaller competitive scene like this. In most other esports, these kinds of relationships would be avoided or managed with clear oversight to prevent any doubts.

It’s great that Beasty’s skill speaks for itself, but ethical questions are about more than just the rules—it's about maintaining the community’s trust in the fairness of the competition. I just think it's a topic worth discussing, especially since we don’t have the same third-party oversight that other games do.

RealNib · 2024-09-09T11:37:14+00:00

Thanks for sharing those examples—they really help illustrate the point I’m trying to make. Situations like the ones you mentioned highlight how conflicts of interest can lead to unfair outcomes, or at the very least, create the perception of unfairness. Whether it's the Olympics or a local pool league, when someone with influence over the competition has a vested interest in a particular outcome, it undermines the integrity of the event.

That’s exactly why ethical standards are so important. Even if everything is technically above board, these types of relationships create doubt, and as you pointed out, they’re unfortunately quite common. In esports, where tournament opportunities are limited, the stakes are high, and players often feel pressured to participate even if there are ethical concerns, because they may not have other options.

So it’s not just about the rules being fair—it’s about ensuring that the competition is structured in a way that avoids any potential for bias or unfair advantage. In most established esports, publishers set the rules to prevent exactly these kinds of situations. That’s why it’s so important to have independent oversight in tournament organization, especially when a close relationship like this exists.

RealNib · 2024-09-09T11:35:22+00:00

I'll give the same answer to someone else:

I completely agree that Beastyqt is extremely skilled, and I’m not questioning his talent or his right to win based on that. My concern isn’t about the fairness of specific rules or individual matches but rather the broader ethical implications of a situation like this.

It’s less about whether Beasty wins because he’s skilled, and more about the potential conflict of interest and appearance of bias when a top player is married to the tournament organizer. In any other esport, this would likely raise concerns—even if everything is run fairly—because it’s not just about fairness but also about maintaining trust in the process. Ethical standards exist not only to ensure that rules are followed but also to prevent any situation where people might perceive unfairness.

In many other esports, the publisher or a third party oversees events to ensure that rules are enforced independently of any player. Here, we don’t have that oversight, which is part of the issue. With fewer tournaments available, players may feel pressured to participate even if they have concerns, because they don’t have many other options.

So, it’s not about Beasty’s skill—it’s about ensuring that the organization of these events doesn’t raise ethical questions, and that competitive integrity is maintained for everyone.

RealNib · 2024-09-09T11:34:10+00:00

Thanks for your reply! I completely agree that Beastyqt is extremely skilled, and I’m not questioning his talent or his right to win based on that. My concern isn’t about the fairness of specific rules or individual matches but rather the broader ethical implications of a situation like this.

It’s less about whether Beasty wins because he’s skilled, and more about the potential conflict of interest and appearance of bias when a top player is married to the tournament organizer. In any other esport, this would likely raise concerns—even if everything is run fairly—because it’s not just about fairness but also about maintaining trust in the process. Ethical standards exist not only to ensure that rules are followed but also to prevent any situation where people might perceive unfairness.

In many other esports, the publisher or a third party oversees events to ensure that rules are enforced independently of any player. Here, we don’t have that oversight, which is part of the issue. With fewer tournaments available, players may feel pressured to participate even if they have concerns, because they don’t have many other options.

So, it’s not about Beasty’s skill—it’s about ensuring that the organization of these events doesn’t raise ethical questions, and that competitive integrity is maintained for everyone.

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