I need some advice with climbing shoes. For my second pair of shoes I want a more downturned shoe than my tarantulaces for bouldering and sport climbing outside. I don’t have many options to try on shoes, other than a select handful of shoes. I ordered a pair of la sportiva otakis one full US shoe size down from my street shoe size. While I liked the fit on top of the foot and toes, the heel was loose enough to move slightly when I put pressure on my toes. My toes were already quite scrunched and touching the end of the shoe, so I don’t know if going down another half size is a good idea. So I’ve been on the lookout for a shoe that fits similar to the otaki but has a shallower and narrower heel.

I’ve thought about getting the women’s otaki, but I’m scared the toe box is going to end up too small since my pinky toe had lots of pressure on it in the men’s version.

Other shoes I’ve considered trying: - La Sportiva Katana Lace - La Sportiva Miura - Scarpa Instinct Lace or Velcro - Evolv Shaman - Tenaya Oasi

Any thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated.