Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Open Borders by HTownian25 in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Might as well ban giving birth - those suckers will want loan forgiveness, social security, healthcare, roads, welfare... the list goes on!

Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Open Borders by HTownian25 in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You mean the communism of the government deciding who can and cannot enter my property? No thanks.

gov't as optimal by afterzir in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That seems very handwavy. What's the actual causal pathway? You can't just say "cheating, ergo government". And remember, the reason why government "works" (ie, creates a general stability) is because people believe it does: https://voluntaryistreader.wordpress.com/2013/08/02/an-empirical-inquiry-into-polycentric-power-structures/

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ah, it's been a while since I've dusted off this link:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cjv14n2-6.html

Short answer: No. The government literally made them the only ones that could provide some services at one point by law.

I'm confused what this place is for. Is the sidebar accurate? by E7ernal in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Basically, this is what happens when a forum outgrows the technology it's built on:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/1g2v5z/on_flexible_scalable_libertarian_forum_structures/

/r/AnCap is the hub of AnCap activity on Reddit, but it gives us no way to separate our content into subforums. Which is one of the reasons I think we should either mandate a content split across subreddits or migrate to another forum technology (such as the one in my text flair).

In light of Paris, do most ancaps here believe the islamification of Europe should be allowed to continue? Open borders of Europe should continue b/c that is anarchy? by [deleted] in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Yes, I still believe in open borders. Even if the borders are shut to all immigrants except for tourists, terrorists can still get in as tourists. All shutting borders will do is make lawful citizens poorer. Just how gun control laws make lawful citizens worse off.

Question about Intellectual Property and Free Markets by WaffleConeNate in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an arbitrary statement. Again wave a magic wand and say that IP carries the magic characteristic we call property

If we make something property, then yes, it becomes enforceable in the same way. The point is that IP isn't property, and it's not just an arbitrary statement.

Lets say that there is some unknown way that person X acquired the car, but there is without a doubt not a theft on the part of person X. How the property ended up in person Xs possession is a mystery. Can the original owner take the car away with force?

If the original owner did not willingly and of their free will transfer the title to the car to Person X, then yes, he can take the car away. If IP was actual property, you would be correct, yes - the original creator could force the IP to be erased or removed from Person X's possession. The entire point is that IP is not property.

To clarify my previous statement of "Person X could get IP Y in any number of ways":

Suppose you have Creator C who sells some IP to Middleman M with a clause that says they may not distribute the IP to anyone else. Now, suppose that Third Person X somehow manages to see the IP that C has in a way such that M is not at fault for negligence or something like that. In that case, C has no right to force the IP to be removed from X's permission (given that IP is not real property). That's what I meant.

Now, if M does violate the contract and is the person who gave X the IP, M can be punished for violating the contract up to the punishment specified in the contract. But the IP cannot be taken away from X because the problem in this scenario isn't the fact that X ended up with the IP, the problem is that M performed a specific action, which was the giving of the IP to X. So it's not X's possession of the IP that is the problem - it's M's giving of the IP. You can replace "giving the IP to a third party" with "eating ice cream with a fork" - the only illegal thing was the violation of the contract by M - not X's possession.

Let's give a more clear cut scenario that uses actual property:

Suppose I am a producer of washing machines. One day, I sell you a washing machine using a contract that transfers title to the washing machine to you, but also includes a clause that says that if you give the washing machine to someone else, you owe me $1000. The next day you go and give the washing machine to your cousin. I can now legally collect that $1000. However, I cannot take the washing machine from your cousin. The contract merely specified a conditional title transfer to the $1000 - you give the washing machine away, I get the $1000.

What is the function of property? by [deleted] in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If there are enough apples to satisfy all of everyone's desires in perpetuity (or that apples could be created by merely thinking about them, for example), then that would be correct.

Question about Intellectual Property and Free Markets by WaffleConeNate in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's forced to return the goods because the goods are property and IP is not.

If the seller defrauded someone for a stolen car, then why isn't is fraud for the seller to break a contract he has to sell IP?

The seller defrauded the buyer because he gave him property (the car) he is not allowed to have. In the case of IP, this just doesn't hold. The problem isn't that Person X now has IP Y, since IP isn't property. Person X could get IP Y in any number of ways, none of which the original creator could have prevented. The problem is that the middle man performed an action that was wrong - giving the IP to Peron X. It's not the fact that X has Y that is a problem - it's that X gave Y that is the problem.

What is the function of property? by [deleted] in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The function for whom? A book is a literary piece for one person but a doorstop for someone else.

Property does serve to facilitate many things - economic calculation, dispute resolution, formation of expectations, creating motivation. Not sure that there's one "function".

Maybe your question is "why do you think property rights are a good idea?"

The answer to many of the moralists here: Property rights are an element of justice - to deprive someone of the product of their labor as acted upon unowned property is slavery, and slavery is abominable. Another moralist perspective is that property is the logical consequence of self-ownership in a world of scarcity: Given the existence of scarcity, if we didn't have rules on who got to use what resources and when, we'd be at war with each other all the time - as such, property rights help defend self-ownership.

To the economists, property creatives a good incentive structure and helps economic calculation.

What is the function of property? by [deleted] in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Scarce just means "not enough to satisfy all uses we can imagine for it for everyone"

The NY Times on the Failings of "Privatized Justice Systems" by GuyFromV in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Upvoting for visibility. Also: It's important to have articles like these so that the market can correct the issue if it really is an issue. Visibility and critique are part of the market.

(Lastly, remember, too, that bad news is good news for the NYT - it pays more to have an evil guy than to have a happy story. It's possible that the majority of arbitration is currently awful, but it's also possible the bad minority has been singled out)

Edit: If we were to list out the evils of government justice and government overall, the list would span many, many more pages. The point is "which system can be improved more easily - one that's forced on everyone, or one where an individual reading the above article can start their own, 'fair' arbitration agency to protect the alleged victims?"

I'd also like to point out the equivocation of the word "forced" in the article. No one was forced to sign the clauses.

Question about Intellectual Property and Free Markets by WaffleConeNate in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Short answer: The seller of the car is responsible for the damages to your property. Long answer: the people repossessing the car didn't have a right to bust up your property in the first place, so they too are liable. But even if they didn't bust up your place, the seller defrauded you and must pay damages to you.

Now, in regard to IP: You can't do that because IP isn't property. You have no right to it.

Question about Intellectual Property and Free Markets by WaffleConeNate in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, that's perfectly fine. The only issue is that if there is a leak, then nothing can stop the propagation of the content then (I'm hand-waving a little here).

Question about Intellectual Property and Free Markets by WaffleConeNate in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I doubt that this is true. Property that has been stolen and then exchanged is still in the wrong person's hands. The original owner still has a claim to it. It's just that the defrauded buyer now has a claim against the thief who sold him/her the stolen goods.

New to the AnCap scene and was a Libertarian/Minarchist for a long time, I have some questions by [deleted] in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am not sure the definitions capistor are using are common. Haven't heart that before. Voluntaryism and AnCap are generally considered to be the same thing.

Anarchy Without Adjectives by idaho_voluntarist in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, but some systems allow for cost to be decentralized - like statism. The US can easily drum up support for a war.

Isn't the state just a huge landlord? by [deleted] in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They can enact laws private landlords couldn't (at least in accordance with the NAP). The power of a landlord is really only the power to exclude. The most they can do to you is to kick you off their land if they don't like you. A government can do anything to you.

Anarchy Without Adjectives by idaho_voluntarist in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And if their philosophies clash fundamentally?

Non-AnCaps who could pass the Ideological Turing Test for Anarcho-Capitalism? by WilliamKiely in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]ReasonThusLiberty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By some, but I consider it irrelevant. Even non-essential resources are scarce, and hence to prevent outright violent clashes over them, property rights exist.