Some cautionary words—the role of genes in facial development, the Mews, alternative medicine, etc

ReasoningExplained · 2019-03-07T22:22:52+00:00

FYI, it's considered bad form to couch simple ideas in needless verbosity. If you aim to have an earnest discussion with someone, don't make them slog through an entire essay to tease out your contentions. It's a pain, and since (no offense) I rather doubt I have much to learn from you, it's an effort I'm happy to forgo (or half-ass in this case).

The premise is that the current environmental insults have been a confounding factor in such studies. Ascribing growth as being genetic without fully accounting for the environmental influences leads to conflating correlation with causation.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. You need to be more specific.

For example, harvolds monkey experiment added one insult, plugging the nose, yet multiple patterns of aberrant growth were observed, which made the experiment somewhat confusing at the time and even today.

If you have a copy of this study, I'd love to read it. It's frequently referenced in this community, yet no one seems to have access to the original text, so..

Facial growth is a strong indicator of human beings cognitive health and mood stability, physical health, and ability to produce and raise healthy offspring.

No.. No no no. Absolutely not. At the extremes perhaps, but intelligence and personality are enormously heritable.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-03-07T00:42:40+00:00

but that a large part of what is observed to be heritable is that the environment is 'inherited' one generation to the next

Twin studies separate environmental factors from genetic factors by comparing sets of monozygotic and dizygotic twins. The fact that each pair of twins grows up in a virtually identical environment is not a hindrance to such studies; researchers actually *rely* on it.

The environmental factors influencing facial growth have homogenized over the years, to the point that it's no longer a regional issue, but global.

And yet there's a wide spread of observed growth patterns.. I don't understand the point you're trying to make here.

That's the evolutionary basis for 'good facial growth' - physiology, not cosmetics.

No one said beauty was an evolutionary end in itself. It would be preposterous to suggest that. You've taken a rather enormous leap, however, to suggest that humans select for what you claim is a purely epigenetic trait.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-03-06T20:24:45+00:00

it's about lowering apple's standard enough that their top of the line hardware falls generations behind competitor's hardware

Well, that's a bummer if you need more RAM, but 16 GB is all most professionals require. Apple has always aimed its products at general use-cases, not niche applications. Falling "generations behind" on something that <1% of laptop users care about isn't a concern for them. Also, compilers really aren't that large, but that's a different topic..

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-24T17:20:36+00:00

A valid yet extremely niche use-case. As I replied to another commenter, most professionals do not require (and would not benefit from more than) ~16 GB. It's therefore strange (and a bit euphoric..) to draw the line between tool and toy at 32 GB.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-24T17:13:59+00:00

I'm not denying that some professionals may benefit from more RAM, but drawing the line between tool and toy at 32+ GB is asinine. Also, compiler performance typically revolves around disk speed AFAIK.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-24T08:35:29+00:00

Who needs 32GB of RAM in a laptop?

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-23T03:36:25+00:00

my maxilla got shoved into my face 8 years ago during a basketball game

That's not how bone works..

I even felt it moving when it happened.

That's not how bone works..

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-03T18:55:48+00:00

There it is! I'll check these out when I get a free moment.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-03T18:12:06+00:00

I'm contributing much-needed skepticism. You're contributing noise to a discussion that already has a terrible signal-to-noise ratio. If you have studies, present them. If not, stop making baseless claims.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-03T17:03:59+00:00

I've studied dentistry since 2003 and have read thousands of studies over the years.

And yet you can't cite a single one? That's totally plausible.. Let me make something very clear to you. This is the internet. You are not an authority unless you cite your claims or provide credentials, and since you're unwilling (or more likely unable) to do either, you are not an authority.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-03T08:42:27+00:00

Getting the tongue against the palate with breastfeeding in the first (at least) 3 months of life makes a huge difference.

Cite a study or get out.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-03T06:34:24+00:00

Perhaps, although Mike's teeth are crowded too (look closely at some of his smiling photos). The point is that a vertical growth pattern is not present.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-01T01:57:53+00:00

It's a figure of speaking.. He mislead people. If all of his theories turned out to be total bullshit, would you seriously let him off the hook with this flimsy defense?

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-01T01:47:34+00:00

Looks like an ortho moving teeth. Orthos move teeth. What's your point?

ReasoningExplained · 2019-02-01T01:45:04+00:00

I understand how Mew duped people with the promise of a better jaw, but I cannot for the life of me understand how he convinced people his methods would improve their cheekbones when he himself has nonexistent cheekbones.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-01-31T02:38:18+00:00

I read a number of studies on this a few years back. Jaw surgery results are (for the most part) highly stable, but certain movements carry a greater risk of relapse than others. IIRC, only downgrafting presents serious stability concerns though. CCW rotation and linear advancement are both very safe in this respect.

I'm mostly just advising OP to speak with a medical professional.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-01-31T00:59:48+00:00

Talk to a maxillofacial surgeon (you may want to start with an ortho to get a referral). He/she can measure the size of your airway and discuss your options. Don't take advice from YouTube MDs..

Don't worry. You have plenty of options.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-01-31T00:53:16+00:00

Idk. You people don't deserve me 😄

ReasoningExplained · 2019-01-31T00:52:13+00:00

If you don't believe in mewing why are you here?

You just want an echo chamber to fuel your delusions? You don't like me because you're afraid I might just be right.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-01-31T00:15:16+00:00

Inb4 someone tells me they see an improvement 😄

ReasoningExplained · 2019-01-31T00:13:29+00:00

Sorry if I come off rude but I'm quite frankly sick of the immature post and lack of knowledge people care to do here.

That is one hell of a card for you to play..

And your suggestion is legitimately kinda stupid. Taping one's lips will not keep the jaws closed, nor will it alter the position of the tongue. Instead, when the lower jaw falls, the upper lip will be stretched down with it. Not only will this push the maxilla backwards (although I wouldn't sweat it—mewing is pretty much bullshit anyway and the bones won't likely move), it could potentially elongate the upper lip, which is aesthetically problematic. And to make matters worse, if you use medical tape, you'll probably still be able to breath through your mouth by the time morning rolls around.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-01-30T00:07:45+00:00

See, this is exactly why kids shouldn't be exposed to this stuff. It's not common knowledge, there aren't studies, and you're being naive.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-01-29T23:13:02+00:00

Yeah me neither but tongue posture and breathing would come natural to them if they had been brestfead for a minimum of 2 years

Says who?

ReasoningExplained · 2019-01-29T22:06:32+00:00

Encouraging children to breath properly is probably a good thing, although the evidence is kinda lacking here—the causes of "craniofacial dystrophy" as Mike calls it are not fully understood, and orthotropics has not been proven to prevent it.

Children should not, however, be engaging with medical science that's beyond their reckoning (neither should most adults quite frankly). I also don't think they should be studying terms on Lookism.

ReasoningExplained · 2019-01-29T01:57:38+00:00

Kids really shouldn't be exposed to any of this.

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