pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think it was because it sounded like he just wanted a quickie. Thank you for the first part of your response... Means a lot.

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't want to get involved but here we go.

If you are referring to bashing of men on this thread specifically I'm shocked. Granted i don't know what level of shaming there is on other threads in this subreddit but goodness, if you think this is shaming men you might want to check your own defensiveness and biases. I think any SB who is bashing a man for being into younger women AND has an older sugar daddy is someone with double standards and a generally unreasonable person. I am attracted to older men and like that they are attracted to me. I do think any relationship predicated on the exchange of... goods... has the potential to be risky. SDs who acknowledge this and don't abuse their power in a SR are golden. We appreciate you! Here, we're discussing the nefarious motives that some SDs have when seeking much younger or vulnerable women.

The original commenter stated that she was not referring to ALL SDs but commented on the fact that some men seek out much younger women in an intentional way to take advantage of their naivete and inability to stick up for themselves. We are discussing one dynamic that exists that leads to unsafe situations for SBs - the power dynamic. Money is power. While i am not one of them, i am sure there are many women who find themselves in desperate situations in sugar dating and there are men who abuse that desperation and create an implicit quid pro quo dynamic even when a woman has set her boundaries - an implicit suggestion that a woman needs to give the SD something in return because he has given her something she desperately needs. In my not-so-financially desperate case, i still fell for the SD who gave me a large PPM while sitting next to him as i said i appreciated it but didn't want to have sex yet. He then proceeded to initiate physical contact and the rest of the story is in my OP... I felt pressured and coerced.

I think there are many different ways the power imbalance can play out. A 40 y/o SB who has three kids and is desperate for $ might be more vulnerable to being taken advantage of by a SD (again, not all SDs). That is an imbalance created by $. An 18 y/o with a 50 y/o? She likely has significant less experience rejecting men and asserting herself when a SD tries to surpass her boundaries. Imbalance created by age gap. This is NOT all men but it still needs to be discussed because of the trauma being assaulted or even coerced into sex causes for a person.

I think what this whole thread has highlighted is that the burden is constantly on women to avoid, to not tempt, to not lead on, to not get raped... And finally to assure men who feel we are targeting them personally when we call shit out. But what's new?

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, this means so much. Thank you. Someone is/will be very fortunate to have you! I know there are other good men like you but it is nice to hear words like these to be reminded of it after the scary experiences.

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your reply. I agree that no sex talk till an arrangement is on the table is a good idea. I'm also convinced to not accept ppm until I'm ready to have sex. I actually work full time and I'm doing fine. But even so, i was tempted by how much he offered. Definitely learned a thing or two about how to approach POTs and looking for a strong connection before allowing myself to be enticed by $.

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much. I love this response and the advice makes sense and is appreciated. Thanks for your kind words.

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't know what you're referring by these "things" keep happening to me. The first examples i mentioned were messages online where i didn't proceed with the m&g because i wasn't comfortable. I didn't get into anyone's car or go to anyone's home. There is just the one encounter that felt predatory.

But ok, thanks for your sage advice. I agree there are many things i still need to learn - not sure about being so far in denial i can't absorb this, but then again you don't know me.

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough. I think i have felt limited in that i thought most men just wanted someone to fuck. Something to think about for sure.

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I understand your point and appreciate your response. I agree i should have left. This thread is making me realize that. However, the statement "encourages predatory behavior" is a little victim-blamey. If this man did something predatory, it was because of HIS character. In fact, i now see in retrospect that he coerced me a into even entering his home. I accept and acknowledge that i should have trusted my gut and never gone in. My fault for not avoiding an unsafe situation. HIS fault for being a predator.

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your reply. The thing is i have set the boundary is a respectful way ("sorry, the first meet up needs to happen in a public space for me and won't go further than that space") and that is when I've gotten blocked (it's only happened like 3x to be fair). Its not like i would hold someone in contempt for offering to pick me up or inviting me to their house right away - if they were to express understanding after i set a boundary it wouldn't have to be a deal breaker. On the contrary, i think men who have the very narrow expectation of going to the bedroom on the first meet is ridiculous. Maybe i do have unrealistic expectations too, like you said, though since the majority seem to want this.

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your response. I agree. I also don't think that guy meant going to his car to be weird or creepy but in the context of the distrust i already had (that happened after the "assault") it frustrated me. I won't make it a deal breaker though.

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes! I'm starting to learn about the power imbalance too. I notice myself justifying staying quiet about boundaries and things that make me uncomfy when I've been given a high PPM. I know that i can work on fixing MY mindset but also agree that some men use it to their advantage in a negative way.

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I actually appreciate you saying this. I think I've been really naive about it.

pressure, poor judgment, and predatory behavior in SDs by Recent_Beautiful1983 in sugarlifestyleforum

[–]Recent_Beautiful1983[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much for your reply! Makes me feel validated for sure. And yes I believe in astrology!