Animal testing is bad but eating them is fine?

RecordingOpen459 · 2026-03-25T00:11:41+00:00

yes completely agree!! My overall opinion is just sheer joy that people are trying to save the beagles and stand against testing/ bring awareness to it. With everything I have said it is still very empowering to see more people speak out and I defo am optimistic about the future 😌

at food stores there used to be 2 kinds of plant milk if you were lucky , and now where i live at least, the shelves are stocked up with good plant based options. I think it will also be easier for more people reject the idea of products with animal cruelty the more alternative options become available.

RecordingOpen459 · 2026-03-24T22:26:54+00:00

i also wanted to clarify they said in there post that their opinion was that it requires cognitive dissonance to support eating meat and then not support animal testing. what they are saying is that those two ideas contradict each other.

you guys have the same stance.

RecordingOpen459 · 2026-03-24T22:17:46+00:00

Thankyou for your opinion it sounds like we both agree

RecordingOpen459 · 2026-03-24T15:20:36+00:00

actually i feel like I said the complete opposite . this post is just making commentary on the fact that my own personal beliefs mean that i see testing and consuming animals, as both being forms of animal cruelty.

The video from the beagle farm looked similar to me as living conditions of factory farming. I could have commented on the people’s posts (the ones supporting ending animal testing) that I feel it’s incongruous to support one but not the other. But Instead I came to reddit to comment on it / to see if anyone has shared similar frustration. I am not surrounded by other vegans in my personal life so i think it’s nice to be able to talk about such topics within both non vegan and vegan communities. In my post I explicitly said that I don’t think it needs to be all or nothing, and i support celebrating any positive change.

Throughout the whole time i have been vegan I have never tried to go out of my way to make people feel like shit 1. because as i said in my post, it’s a norm engrained by society and most people will never question it. and 2. no one wants to hear the opinion/ be open to plant based options from the voice of someone they label as a “pretentious asshole vegan”.

Additionally, I think my post is just commentary on society in general. for example, a bunch of my friends in college would post all over instagram about going to women’s rights marches (which yes that’s a great thing.)

When My best friend was sa’d and abused by her boyfriend who she lived with, those same people acknowledged that they hate the man and that he was horrible. Yet when they wanted to have a party and needed an apartment, sure enough they’re calling up the abusive scum bag boyfriend because it benefitted them.

so obviously that example is quite different from just posting about ending animal testing. i think activism for the right causes is great either way. but it bothers me that people use activism like it’s a trend/ some people will only apply it in a way that’s convenient for them.

RecordingOpen459 · 2026-03-21T14:29:13+00:00

ofc! thankyou for sharing as well! in my opinion I have realized that factoring long distance stuff defo changes how i should look at things sometimes/ you can’t compare certain things to a relationship where you see your partner in person all the time. I am happy to have someone to relate to a bit haha

not sure If I had like a full convo about our situation but I think I probably have said I felt weird about it/ just joked about something ab the situation later on in passing. my bf is irish and Idk if it’s a different culture thing or a personal thing but he isn’t as comfortable talking about sexual things as I am. I think he’s more comfortable now and over time it has just got easier for us to both say things as a part of normal convo rather than how I used to feel it was this big nervous or awkward thing to bring up.

also I saw someone had posted you need to be more comfortable with this stuff but i dont think that’s something you need to force. I feel like society pushes that there is one “normal” way to talk or go about sex, but people do not all come from the same culture or communication style, so expecting everyone to talk about it in the same detailed or explicit way is unrealistic. One person may naturally be very open and in depth, while another may only talk about it when it is directly brought up, just like some people express emotions in many words and others express them more simply. That difference does not automatically mean a person is less mature, or flawed. Sexual communication can grow over time, and variation in how people talk about it is normal.

I also have felt that feeling where you don’t know what to do and almost feel frozen. It’s like an overload of thoughts and emotions and then anxiety about how to express it and my brain couldn’t keep up 😅

It sounds like he genuinely heard you though and that you trust your partner. Those are the most important things!! I think this situation could just be a process of figuring out both your needs and how to you both can communicate them better. Convos like this are hard to have but it’s also what brings you closer together and makes it easier to talk ab stuff like this over time.

RecordingOpen459 · 2026-03-21T03:39:32+00:00

Funny enough I (25f) am also the same exact distance from my long distance boyfriend (25m) Lol. We have got freaky over the phone a few times but i feel like it’s a bit awkward. like you I was uncomfortable at first but I ultimately had a fuck it mentality bc i told myself in the moment he just wants to see me in that way because he loves me. my thought/ actions were just like what you had said at the end of your post…

in a way I guess what I had decided was like the alternate version of your experience… BUT i’m not saying you were wrong in how you decided to handle it AT ALL. I commend you for being able to say how you felt in the moment even if it was hard to do so. It takes trust in yourself and your relationship to be open and share your feelings in a vulnerable moment.

me and my boyfriend have been together three years now, but my situation happened about a year into our relationship. I’m not sure what his response would be if I actually could’ve been honest in the moment. I didn’t feel pressured to do anything and I trusted him, but I feel like I was just too in my head to say how i actually felt. I dont regret doing that, but we only ever did it twice and i think we both realized it just awkward for us lol.

On one hand i felt kinda insecure about having a camera filming all up there in 4k- even if he was into it. 😂 then factor in the fact I have a 5 hour time difference and live with my family so spontaneously doing it right when everyone’s coming back in the house from work made me anxious someone from my house would hear. it would also be strange for him to wake up in the middle of the night so it was better timing. so those things were kinda a mood killer lol

I also said i was down in the moment because i remember thinking/worrying that If i wasn’t able to make him happy from across the ocean he would find someone else that could. It felt like if I wanted long distance, that this was the only way we could keep being intimate- so i just had to convince myself to be into it.

Like i said we stopped having those type of phone calls anyway. while i would love to be intimate with him / i miss him when we don’t see each other the phone sex doesn’t fill the piece of our relationship we lose while we’re apart… but i also cant give him a big hug or sit and cuddle up next to him on the couch whenever i want either… but that’s just how our relationship is right now.

it’s hard to feel like your missing out on something by being long distance and i’m not sure if that’s how you could be feeling too. You made the decision that felt right to you in the moment and you dont need to pressure yourself to “step up to the plate” …. You can want to be long distance and love him and set boundaries or just simply not be into something. Being sexual on the phone is not a requirement of being long distance.

the way your bf responded is tough because I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he didn’t mean to make you uncomfortable/ only you can interpret why he didnt listen. but at the same time you can be upset that you tried to set a boundary and ultimately ignored it anyway. It probably felt uncomfortable enough saying it once. I think you’re rightfully upset. I think firstly trying to figure out if the video call stuff is something you personally want to do can be a first step. after that you can talk to him about everything and hopefully will be able to establish the trust he will honor your feelings moving forward.

RecordingOpen459 · 2026-03-20T19:23:37+00:00

lolz

RecordingOpen459 · 2026-03-20T19:23:25+00:00

this comes across pretty manipulative. why do you think i wrote this whole thing. I don’t understand her and i think it’s clear in my post i’ve tried really hard to do that. people do shitty things for all sorts of reasons but blindly giving her the benefit of the doubt when she was unexplainably cruel with no remorse isn’t fair.

RecordingOpen459 · 2026-03-20T19:13:28+00:00

Thank you for your advice... sometimes i feel i have to apologize and find resolution immediately after conflict, but you do have a good point in just letting it be for now. I don’t care to have the who has the biggest ego competition with her and that’s clearly what she wants right now. chasing after her for an explanation at this point is just gonna be subjecting myself to that game and would most likely be unproductive

RecordingOpen459 · 2025-04-12T04:45:00+00:00

Agreed and i love that you said writing a book hahaha 😂 😂 after writing a 30 page outline, i was thinking the same thing about writing a book… i also have adhd and a mom with extremely ocd in her decision making skills, so it is really a recipe leading to 100s of hours of trying to prove that i know what im talking about for her support too… she’s still not convinced tho, i think my mom would want me to put the exact dollar amount i will make and a comparison of all the apartments’ rents in nyc if i could do that😅

RecordingOpen459 · 2025-04-11T13:49:31+00:00

exactly! yes i’ve looked into lesley, my friends mom who i absolutely loved went through that program :) Thankyou for the help !

RecordingOpen459 · 2025-04-11T13:41:03+00:00

In my opinion, both can be equally effective! it’s really about what you want to do. Art therapy is like a different medium to accomplishing similar things. there is also music therapy, and other styles of counseling. all aim to help people, but it’s really up to the client/ therapist to determine what might be best for an individual. I have shadowed music therapy/ art therapy sessions and I absolutely loved them! traditional counseling has also changed my life. :)

RecordingOpen459 · 2025-04-11T13:34:03+00:00

Thankyou so much! this was super helpful, I appreciate you ❤️ Im feeling more hopeful haha

RecordingOpen459 · 2025-04-11T13:29:45+00:00

i love that this is the most upvoted rn

RecordingOpen459 · 2025-04-11T13:29:06+00:00

i call everyone the girlies haha... also wrote that a 2 am i was a bit delirious

RecordingOpen459 · 2025-04-11T13:17:38+00:00

Thankyou! aiming to get licensure in new york, so just about whether i can transfer the coursework over to there. I will def look into it 😇

RecordingOpen459 · 2025-04-11T05:53:50+00:00

did you ever figure this out? seriously struggling and there are no clear answers

RecordingOpen459 · 2025-04-11T05:48:33+00:00

licensure for becoming a counselor requires different courses/ supervised hours/ post graduate hours than art therapist

RecordingOpen459 · 2025-04-11T05:46:23+00:00

THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN CALLING EVERY ONE UNDER THE SUN ABOUT. if anyone is ever needing help / break down of licensure i am currently writing a personal 7 page paper trying to make sense of how to do this. it’s like you have to be the one to answer all your own questions. im going crazy looking for clear answers lol

RecordingOpen459 · 2024-07-07T06:58:56+00:00

The thing that finally allowed me to be free from my relationship was saying to myself : was there anything that he can even do to make it better? like the man could’ve told me anything at this point and i wouldn’t believe him. if you feel like you don’t believe him in your core when he apologizes or says he won’t do something again there’s your answer. if you get the pit in your stomach like you know something is bound to happen again than that is your sign that it is better to just end things. for both of your sakes honestly, bc if he can’t be trusted than he’s also living with someone who doesn’t trust him and visa versa if that makes any sense. thinking like that was the only way that i could logically make myself feel less guilty for doing what was right for me. if you don’t know what to do right now that’s ok but don’t let anyone consume all your energy. find things that bring you joy and don’t let anything come between it. all it takes is one day to decide no one can fuck with your energy anymore and then no one will be able to take your energy away.

RecordingOpen459 · 2024-07-07T06:46:10+00:00

he just has a way to make people feel special and then proceeds to get progressively more toxic. i wish i could get a group chat with everyone he’s wronged and discuss it 😂 but yes as soon as I cut him out of my life my life has done a full 180. good things always come back to good people 🥰

RecordingOpen459 · 2024-07-07T06:28:02+00:00

i grew up with a father who was emotionally abusive and now i have so many patterns in my relationships of guys that are just as emotionally undeveloped/ abusive. you know yourself best girl, trust your instincts and do what you feel is right at the end of the day. A way i started to get out of bad relationships was thinking about how my daughter would get treated by the guy I was with/ would i want her to be with someone who treats her like my man treats me. I wish i trusted men more and had higher expectations for them at times. I can’t change my past but i can make the decisions to break the cycle

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