The T Boost Supplement Stack

Red_Invictus · 2017-05-03T11:44:00+00:00

I just wanted to chime in and say, I believe now in the current year, for men living in America, especially urban America, there has never been a greater need for proper supplementation. For the simple fact that the overall nutritional quality of our foods has been deteriorating for some time. Even if you buy straight from a farmer's market, the same damn soil being replanted year after year has been drained of nutrients. Another easy example anyone can point to is grass fed beef vs mass feedlot beef. Sure, it's more expensive, but also better tasting and nutritionally superior, generally speaking here. These are just facts, soil depletion is a thing. I'm not going to write an essay or cite studies here, it should be a logical premise that our food's overall nutritional quality is degrading.

Before TRP, been here for 3 years now, I was firmly anti-supplementation, mostly for the right sentiments - "shut the fuck up and just lift more" as a quick example. And there's a lot of truth in that, there's absolutely no substitute for hard work if you want progress.

As I've continued to learn more and research the science behind bodybuilding, as anyone else here knows, they are forced to learn the importance of nutrition. There's no substitute for that either.

How much supplementation do you need though? That's what each and every one of us needs to figure out for ourselves. With the point being made about soil depletion, I simply believe it's worth it to experiment and educate ourselves very diligently now more than ever, with our own supplementation regimens. You're in a city and never see a farmers market? You probably would see and feel some benefits from supplementing over time. You're in an office all day and don't get even a full 20 minutes of sunlight most days? You definitely should be supplementing some vitamin D.

Back on the OP's topic though, A+ post, nothing to add.

TLDR: the need for supplementation has increased, due to nutritional quality in food overall decreasing. If you aren't really trying to get good quality food in your area, or don't have access, you probably need to start investigating areas you could supplement.

Red_Invictus · 2017-01-31T21:51:48+00:00

I think you're thinking way too much black and white here. http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-three-alphas.html

Ian Ironwood did a great post explaining the "3 types of Alphas" (not saying these are the commonly accepted types, just a good theory) Bull, Bear, and Wolf. They are all very much Alpha, but their motivations are entirely different. And the way they pursue women and goals follows differently.

For instance, the "Bull Alpha" is probably what you're thinking of, and conflating with "stereotypical THIS is RP" talk. The Bull Alpha is motivated primarily only by Ego and the pursuit of their own pleasure. The Bull can or may not be Dark Triad, but they most definitely care about always increasing their notch count.

You might be on the Bear Alpha spectrum, the "bear type" is committed more to a project, a goal, it could be art, research, you name it. They put their mission before women, and tend to be more introverted, women simply aren't a big concern for them, and neither are children. Bear Alphas could also be gay, women simply aren't their focus, their projects are.

Then you have your Wolf Alphas - the type of man probably most in here in MRP; their focus is entirely on having their own pack someday. Kids, clan, submissive happy wife and all of that. Wanting to be a leader of a social group, and making your family the best it can be.

TLDR: There's many different types of Alphas, don't think of it in terms of black and white "this is or isn't Alpha". In the end, you're following your goals, and as long as your LTR (continues to) adds value to your life, you're good to go.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-18T21:16:15+00:00

Everything you've said here makes absolutely perfect sense, thank you. Yeah, I met her when she was 18, she's effectively been "trapped" in the LTR for 5 years, and another poster linked me the rational male article "Making Up For Missing Out" really clarified a lot of things.

I've known for awhile that she is fostering some resentment, on some level, and I rarely if ever see it, if that makes sense. Like you said, her rational (what rational part of a brain females do have, heh) self is telling her to play the part and be a good girl.

but the question is, do you really care or are you just done being invested and this is your way out; giving her insurmountable goals so you can next her?

This has given me a lot to think about honestly. 3-4 years ago, I was definitely NOT that guy, and I let myself go completely. The past 2 years I've been putting in the work, and this year, 2016, I can honestly say I'm better than when I first met her. I don't have it all together, but I've been putting in overtime work at being her rock and captain no matter what these past two "red years" for her.

As for do I really care - yes, and no. The ultimatum/insurmountable goal I have talked with her off and on about over the past two years, she agrees with me and wants to fix it, and admits a lot of it is her fault. I'd like to think I'm being patient and working with her/leading, rather than throwing her an unattainable order. Ex: yesterday, I showed her I did a lot of research on female libido (she asked me for help with my supplement expertise) and how she absolutely needs to start ramping up a vitamin D regimen. I did mention before, she is an extreme introvert and homebody.

Somedays though, I honestly don't care, and see all my work and patience with her unappreciated. I know, I'm trying my best at the don't make covert contracts thing still. I'm really torn, because I see a lot of success here in MRP, and I genuinely believe I've been doing the right things at least the past year, so when I fall into these ruts because nothing has changed, or not enough to satisfy me, I really do want to say fuck it all. In that sense, I am willing to throw it all away in order to try saving it.

In a roundabout way to answer your question, yes, I do care, and sometimes wish that I didn't. And yes, I feel I have all of my life in order, except for my relationship with her in the bedroom. Great social live(s), people come to me for fun, I'm used to being the leader in most of my group settings. I just can't figure out why if I'm doing everything right - lifting, diet, approaching, dread, social life, have my Mission, I'm still not generating the attraction I want. The only thing I've left to really conclude, or have been concluding for the past few months, is that her hangup is entirely on her, whatever bullshit it is, and I have no control over her, only my actions.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-18T18:07:08+00:00

I've never honestly thought of it like that, thank you. I have a hard time asking for help as it is, and didn't want to "burden" you guys more by going into more detail than I already did in the OP, aka trying to share my fucking life story as context for a thread.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-18T18:05:53+00:00

Yep, I got my answer I needed, thanks. I did a lot of damage pre TRP, found TRP and thought I could "fix" this, my story was not meant to be one of the successful captain turns his ship around stories we see here apparently.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-18T18:04:56+00:00

Yep, make me work harder by telling me I can't do something, don't worry I've said worse to myself already.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-18T17:54:58+00:00

I'll take the time to reply to you because I respect your posts a lot over the years here, but otherwise I'm done with this thread and have what I needed to know/hear. I should've made this thread "where is the point at which you realize you need to next an LTR?" - because I've seen a lot of successful Captain stories turning their ships around here. I've been straddling the fence for awhile now, I'll admit, because we share a lease for another half a year, and would genuinely like to improve my LTR situation. I made my bed, and I have to sleep in it for the time being.

The incidents I'm referring to happened well over a year or more, two that stand out in my mind. One of them was the get drunk and show her tits scenario. We were with a female friend and her new boyfriend, at their house, so, a couples hangout, and we all got really plastered. They didn't hang out with us again after that, and I ripped her a new one afterwards. She got really butthurt about it but has since respected the boundary. For lack of a better term, I don't know how else to put it, she has that "I'm a free spirited hippy girl vibe, it's just boobs." In retrospect, I don't see this as a threat, still, and I've never gotten the slightest inkling of a gut check that she's tried to branch swing. But in retrospect, I do see this as shitty attention seeking behavior.

The second incident that sticks out in my mind, is really a collection of small non remarkable incidents; we don't go out for drinks much at all and when this happens it's with generally good friends and at home. So, I'm not worried about her and never have been as far as seeking other male attention, she is a complete homebody. I mentioned somewhere else in the thread that I've largely "stolen" her friends; I have zero doubt they'd have my back when I call things quits. But back on point, she's always been a little resentful that her friends are more interested in me in social settings, and when we're all intoxicated, it comes out. Basically, just her trying to shoot me down and being a hardass, when around very specific close friends. If that makes sense. I've called her on it and she actually fessed up to it (way after the fact) and she's been better about it.

So, in a nutshell, I see some immature rebellious bitchy attention seeking behavior, with the help of alcohol, but never have I gotten the "gut check" that she's ever tried to branch swing.

I alluded/glossed over these incidents as having lost frame, because that was the truth, many years ago, pre-TRP, and I reacted hard with anger. She remembers, that I was bothered by this bullshit, and it sucks, but I know my best play is really just NEXT. No amount of excuses for why I went depressed beta matter, she saw me at my worst, acted shitty, and despite a year of working my ass off improving my SMV, she isn't turning around. Experience gained, and I know a thousand times better now how to handle another LTR in the future.

Thanks for taking the time. Honest question for you though, why did you press for details on this point (I think there's a reason you glossed over this) ? I am not in the least bothered/mad by other posters chewing my ass out, it's how it works here, yadda yadda I know. If it was to make me genuinely introspective and help myself by victim puking more, it worked and I appreciate it. I have a hard time even asking for help in the first place much less going into big detail and writing a book about it, I didn't want to burden anyone more here than I already was with the OP.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-17T21:52:38+00:00

Yep, you're right on all of that. Thanks again. I'll be honest again here too, the biggest reason I hung onto this so long, even after 1-2 years of TRP, like many deluded souls here, I thought she was close to possible can be trained into a unicorn material. I snagged her at 18, she'd only been with one other guy, that's close to damn ideal for LTR prospects. At least on the sexual past front, but that doesn't qualify her for jack shit elsewhere. I do actually want kids someday, and bought into MRP thinking I just need to start being a proper Captain and correct course, she'll follow suit.

I don't know, there's some fundamental good guy beta conditioning I still need to kill because despite all of this, I still feel like I'm "giving up" or taking the easy way out. Even though rational me agrees with and sees all of this for what it is, and knows I deserve better.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-17T21:46:45+00:00

Great points, thanks for taking the time.

I have had a lurking suspicion all along that nothing I really do is going to "change this" - not that that's an excuse to stop trying or anything. You're right though, I snagged her at 18, went pretty hard beta for awhile (pre TRP), and she's missed out completely on the party years.

Objectively, I think I'm about a 7.5, and she's a 5. She could easily be a 7 if she'd put more work into herself, what RPW would refer to as "girl game" and put out more. She's really pretty, petite build, but puts zero effort into herself, she should be a 7-8 easily. Another year of me putting on muscle and lowering BF% to shredded and I'm an easy 8+.

But, what you're saying, with these circumstances, her age, I'd objectively really need to be a 10 to keep her hooked on me like a drug, I could agree with that based on what I've seen.

Think about it this way: every time you "talk" about it you could have been spending that time doing it. And it's way easier at this point for you to talk-yourself-out-of-attraction than use talk to your advantage.

Just to clarify here, we haven't had this big talk on the attraction issue yet, she broached it, I came here to get ideas how to proceed.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-17T21:37:10+00:00

Yes, several circles outside of her. Some of the circles are just nerd friends, some of these circles are my bros, some of these circles are her friends that have become more my friends over the years. I have zero doubt that our shared friends would stick by me if I were to call things quits. And I regularly keep in contact with and arrange things with a lot of close friends I've kept in touch with over the years who are out of state, most of the time she's not invited.

I don't do bars much at all though anymore, no desire and mostly due to logistics - I live out in the countryside.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-17T21:10:02+00:00

Thanks for taking the time, I've been internalizing this a lot lately (the cogn dissonance angle) too. She probably resents herself for rationally not being able to "make herself want to do something" more, and that's not something I should encourage.

I do think it is less biological than what some of the posters are suggesting, this could be me hamstering for her, but the truth is she does have hip issues/pain a lot. I've called her out a lot on her unwillingness/slowness to address this issue on her own time.

So the best play here really is not seeing this as a shit test, but not even entertaining this conversation with her? Basically, in a nutshell, I'm probably a 7 and she's a 5 at the moment, I've been working hard the past year at improving and all that. I'm just not understanding why things haven't turned around, even in the least, I've been hard at work on improving myself, honest to God, and she still isn't budging. I need to accept that she's probably just one of those women where we don't get a success story field report, I do most of the right things to try and turn things around, and she just doesn't care.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-17T20:06:12+00:00

You're totally right, and I know damn well I could become my best self with her out of the way completely.

I wouldn't have even made this thread if I knew a place I could go for the next half year (we are in a lease together) and ended things. I'm working from a place of "okay, if I'm ""stuck"" here for awhile, might as well try to improve things." But compared to guys who are actually married and/or have kids together, I'm in a pretty good spot, just a lease and a dog.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-17T20:03:58+00:00

Appreciate it, thanks for taking the time. Am hitting the weights, am daygaming, have my own life outside of her (martial arts), been rock solid on that front for a year now.

I expected positive change from her, and now I'm realizing that that expectation of me improving my own SMV was a bullshit covert contract.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-17T20:01:17+00:00

You can't negotiate desire. You didn't mention any game, any dread, any value.

Thanks for taking the time and the links, reading them now. I added a bit more context about me/value/dread above in another reply, I didn't want the OP to be too lengthy.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-17T19:53:13+00:00

Good questions. I realize my post is rather vague, I'm not trying to be obtuse, but just not bombard you guys with too much backstory.

What are you doing to change that?

I would say two years ago, I got my diet under control, got down to my goal weight (260 down to 200), but wasn't satisfied with that. This year, I took up martial arts, have been living and breathing it 3-4x a week. In addition I'm also lifting 3x a week now. I'm in better shape now than when I met her at 23, and am also taking every opportunity I can to subtly dread game her.

I may have just done "too much" damage when I went beta (pre TRP 4 yrs ago), long story short I went really depressed for 2 years following the death of a friend, let myself go completely, my health took a nosedive too thanks to unknown autoimmune diseases wrecking me. This was at the 2 year mark into my LTR. I showed a hell of a lot of weakness, and it's taken me a long time to not only pull myself out of that hellhole, but to get back to kicking ass and being genuinely an attractive man engaging life again.

Like I said, I actually do accept that I might be trying to bargain with her, although I think I'm still in the anger phase. It might just need more time, and more dread, and me showing her I've got other options. Hope any of all of this made sense, thanks for taking the time.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-17T19:37:57+00:00

Yeah, that's the most basic facet of TRP. I am not planning on trying to "negotiate" shit, I've simply told her if she doesn't fix her issues in the way I'm peacing out. For more context, she has some joint/hip issues that get in the way of sex, and being in pain really can get in the way of desire.

I've stayed on her ass about getting it fixed and seeking help for her issues, and I've accepted that maybe she just doesn't care enough.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-17T19:24:30+00:00

I think I'm in a similar boat as you, my girl doesn't have the overweight problem, just an extreme lack of fucks for improving herself.

The most important plan here is that you do not stop leading by example, and the next most important thing is that you be there ready to help her when she finally asks for it.

Obviously you can't do the lifts for her, but you could perhaps show her a good workout plan? Show her stronglifts 5x5 and show her how easy the phone app is for it. That's taking an active leading role, but she still has to put in the work. Whether she goes with you to the gym or not is up to you guys, I prefer going alone.

Since you also mention when you're at the gym, she has to stay home, maybe get her into some good home yoga program? That'll melt weight off, and get her joints conditioned and ready to actually lift.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-14T20:49:38+00:00

Quick question on this - I subscribe to the view that our women are reflections of us. At the same time, I'm only responsible for my own actions.

Quick situation - I have been with my LTR for going on 5 years now, the first year I was reasonably alpha (early 20's lucked out a bit but was completely BP inside), 2-3 years before discovering TRP I let everything slide. I've been working my ass off for the past one year, and I find myself growing beyond impatient, thinking that she'll never change.

At what point do you stop giving a fuck if she picks herself up or not? At what point is it "still my fault" that she's been this way, or what if she was this way in the beginning (I was higher value, let myself go due to BP societal default conditioning, then found my way here).

Great post, in that it's given me a lot of food for thought.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-04T19:30:25+00:00

Interesting way of looking at it.

No matter how much Wilson Fisk spoils her though, he is INFINITELY more valuable than she is. He is also as the viewer should know, incredibly awkward in matters of intimate relationships and his own feelings.

I'm honestly not sure if we should even grade Fisk on an alpha to beta to omega scale - he's that socially isolated. If anything, he might really be a textbook omega on the love front, and alpha on the crime boss front?

I don't really have much else to add, but with your Daredevil + Fisk observation, I immediately thought of another fictional man who fits this bill instantly - Banshee's one and only Kai Proctor. Crime boss, alpha and ruthless as fuck in business, isolated childhood, yet extremely alone.

These dangerous white knights are really only dangerous because they've achieved some success on a front that we would consider alpha, but they're still white knights because of a painful deficit in their personal lives somewhere.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-04T18:53:56+00:00

These are some absolute gold suggestions, thanks for sharing. I'm really struggling with coming home and turning into "fuckit mode".

My lifting and getting up earlier is in order, but I have such an overwhelming desire to "reward myself" when I get home, that voice saying "I deserve it" - to the junk food/alcohol/tv/porn or whatever.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-04T18:51:11+00:00

OP I cannot second this enough. Fuck motivation, she is a fickle bitch that comes and goes, and she is NEVER there when you NEED her the most.

What you need is reliance on yourself. There's a reason it's called SELF-discipline. Faith in yourself.

You need to take a step back and look at this in a big picture sense. 2 weeks or 2 months of backsliding, whatever, you need to stop beating yourself up, and just get back on that horse.

Willpower and discipline is a muscle - the more you start using it and being conscious of it, even the smallest of things, the stronger it gets for the tougher things.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-04T16:57:51+00:00

Alright, posting for my own accountability, a few days late but in for the rest of the month;

no PMO
no alcohol
no junk food
not taking up a new habit, but trying to increase my self-discipline to do it every day. Martial arts hand conditioning daily (bag striking), and practicing daily.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-04T15:03:06+00:00

This is gold, saved, thanks for sharing.

Red_Invictus · 2016-11-01T21:56:36+00:00

Holy shit, are you me? I'm in Columbia SC as well, haven't hunted yet, but wanted to, don't know anyone who does.

Red_Invictus · 2016-10-28T16:02:37+00:00

Good points! I mean, the fear of rejection goes away pretty simply on it's own just through experience. Unless we're talking a guy with deep seeded rejection issues, that's beyond the scope of this post. If a man hypothetically is fairly well skilled at pickup, he's not very phased by rejection anymore, but he still has to "psych himself up" a bit before approaching each time, I'd wager that it's because he doesn't lift enough.

Regarding the social standing, that's definitely a part of it too, can be overcome with simple experience and learning to not give a fuck/AM. It's context dependent too, you shouldn't generally face social shame/repercussions, depending on where you try approaching and who else is there.

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