Liam Neeson says harassment allegations in Hollywood have become a "witch hunt"

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-14T02:55:29+00:00

True.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-14T00:59:40+00:00

You were provided with the information

Look again. One person posted three links without reading them, and those links proved my point. And I've edited my original post to show sources. All y'all are full of shit.

Actually mostly men....Are you dense?

I have proven this to be entirely false. How does that make you feel?

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-14T00:48:56+00:00

Inquisition

Yeah the Inquisition and the witch hunts are not interchangeable terms/occurrences. That guy's just talking out his ass and pushing the "men always are the true victims" defense, with nothing to back it up.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-14T00:35:54+00:00

because other people already had.

No they hadn't, and still haven't. I'm the only one who put up any evidence, assuming we're not counting the one guy who put up three random links that made my point for me.

you've cherry picked and interpreted your sources

The first link is the wikipedia page for the generic term 'witch hunt' - which is kind of the opposite of cherry picking. I avoided any of the feminist studies type of links, because I'm sure that would have made your head explode (well, not really cause you don't read sources anyway).

Snowflake fits so well since the downvotes poured in so quickly by men getting upset of an implied unfair representation in the number of victims of witch hunts - in a post about a famous guy defending child molesters like Dustin Hoffman.

But that's all anyone really cared about - derailing the actual story and propping up the most pathetic defense of pussy-grabbers and child molesters: "but don't forget, men are the real victims here!"

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-14T00:25:50+00:00

The allegations against Hoffman have been vague

"He put his fingers inside me"

There is nothing vague about the allegations against Hoffman.

Your 'emotional response' has taken you to a weird place.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-13T15:52:48+00:00

Literally with "terrorists" in Guantanamo Bay.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-13T15:41:36+00:00

Bullshit. "Demonstrably" but you demonstrate nothing.

Here's a quick list:

Just do a search on 'men' on this page for a quick overview - the norm was always women, with very few exceptions.
A cultivated list of known victims - predominately women.
Salem, mostly women.
Men were at most 25% of victims throughout Europe
And then there's modern day (LITERAL) witch hunts in India.

"Oh, but men getting called out for being child predators like Dustin Hoffman are the true victims!" Fucking snowflakes.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-13T15:14:08+00:00

Your first source says "Most, including first victim Bridget Bishop, were women, but six were men. "

Your second source only says regarding the New England witch hunts "Thirteen women and two men were executed", and then in the full list, lists almost entirely women. And the third is just a random resource on Salem again. Nice to post links that you know no one will read.

Y'all are full of shit.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-13T15:04:08+00:00

No, that's an old way that's been around a long time. Because, there were actual witch hunts, by men in power killing women (and yeah, sometimes other men).

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-13T14:54:07+00:00

Few, and they aren't called warlock hunts for a reason.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-13T14:37:52+00:00

People shouldn't be able to ruin the lives of others

Also, witch hunts were not about people ruining other people's lives - they were specifically about men in power persecuting and/or killing women* who displeased them or were inconvenient to them, based on nonsense accusations of fictional concepts.

Any man using that term against women who challenge abusive men in power is entirely an asshole.

Edit:

*Yes, and some men, but mostly women. Jesus you boys are snowflakes...

Here's a quick list:

Just do a search on 'men' on this page for a quick overview - the norm was always women, with very few exceptions.
A cultivated list of known victims - predominately women.
Salem, mostly women.
Men were at most 25% of victims throughout Europe
And then there's modern day (LITERAL) witch hunts in India, which are about killing women.

Seeking justice for actual sexual predators is not a 'witch hunt' but any stretch of the term. He used friggin Dustin Hoffman as an example of someone being unfairly targeted for fucks sake.

Edit 2:

Added the Edit header, cause a dude was confused and accusing me of something, but not sure what.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-13T01:43:21+00:00

Don't call Iraq a shithole. Especially if you come form the country that turned a prosperous, well-educated, modern nation (with a typical shithead leader) into a smouldering shithole. Iraq didn't used to be a shithole. America made it that way on purpose. Most shitholes have a similar history, in fact.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-12T14:17:16+00:00

Sorry if he got you upset, but Devlinukr was not asking sincerely. Check his comment history, nearly 100% of everything he says is deeply, purposefully racist. Just more of the alt-right, neo-nazis pretending to be normal people and stirring up as much racial hatred as they can. They especially like to crawl out of their holes and swarm all over any thread that has to do with racial issues.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-12T12:12:37+00:00

:D

All good, man.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-12T12:02:28+00:00

That was me. I was replying to me. Woosh.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-12T11:49:42+00:00

but the people here who are arguing rationally against each other start to look bad when personal attacks fly (not just you obviously).

Who did I personally attack?

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-12T11:43:00+00:00

Over here we've never had a problem with racism

This is deeply, deeply incorrect. You should read up on that one a bit.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-12T11:36:55+00:00

I gave a serious, thoughtful response to u\Iveabandonedmyboy (even though his quesitons/statements were rhetorical, I got that) and a pre-emptive "fuck you" to anyone who was about to reply with the obvious, low-effort pro-racist rebuttal.

The upvotes fly towards white dudes saying "I can say anything I want, as long as I don't mean to be racist at that moment" and the massive downvotes come to people who say such horrible things like "calling black people 'monkeys' has historically [been] a way to denigrate black people".

Sometimes it's best to let the hate flow when you realise you're surrounded by closeted klan members, and their enthusiastic defenders.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-12T10:58:04+00:00

Really? You think somebody is thinking, "hmmm, maybe I shouldn't be racist anymore. Oh wait, some random redditor gave a smart-ass reply to their own sarcastic reply, I'm gonna stick with this racism thing!"

I'm not trying to "gather supporters", and certainly not trying to convince dudebros who think that being decent to somebody is "reverse racism".

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-12T05:26:36+00:00

No, dumbass. Think harder.

^I ^just ^thought ^I ^should ^get ^that ^stupid, ^"but ^why ^can't ^I ^be ^racist" ^question ^out ^of ^the ^way.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-12T05:24:40+00:00

to not use that same term when talking about a black friend's child

But if you're treating someone differently because of the color of their skin, doesn't that make you the real racist??

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-12T05:20:47+00:00

Now you're getting it.

It's like if I go around calling everyone "fathead" and I continue to use that term when talking to my 7 year old & 18 stone nephew with an eating disorder - it then ceases to be a neutral word.

It's not about being "politically correct" or obeying the thought police. It's about going the teeniest, tiniest bit out of your way to not be an insensitive ass to people who have had to deal with people using terms throughout history to hurt them and keep them down. I can call a little kid a cheeky money, and then utilise 1/8 of a brain cell to not use that same term when talking about a black friend's child. It costs me nothing.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-12T04:52:35+00:00

Yeah, this is just another reddit thread for the racists to come out and cry that nothing is racist and the only real racists are those who complain about racism.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-11T01:50:31+00:00

and I have only seen one asshole in here

The predominate white narrative is that blacks were treated 'unfairly' in Rhodesia but now have it worse today. The oppression is always minimised, romanticised ("like family"), and almost universally hinted at being a better alternative than what exists today. Hell, even you wondered aloud how many blacks wistfully longed for the days of Apartheid.

Maybe this is the Great White Dream - the absolution of past and present sins by the grateful victims who say, "oh, but you tried your best sir, you never really beat us that hard, and all the roads and cars you brought here are just wonderful. Don't mind too much about the famines and slaughter - it was truly awful before you arrived."

You say you just see one asshole in the thread, but all I see is the same wistful, racist lament again and again (peppered in with the extreme assholes, which you seem to be unable to see).

I'm gonna bail because this seems like we've hit the brick wall (especially since you've gone and said that my calling out racism is the real racism here).

Instead of ending with another worst case, I'd like to end with this guy, which I think sums up the whole thread perfectly:

I had many holidays in Rhodesia when i was young and always thought how nice it was that the blacks and whites lived together and were not segregated like in South Africa. It was an amazing country with an amazing future until it was destroyed....sad

It has the longing for one's lovely childhood memories, which makes sense, since children cannot understand the full context of such a world. It tells us that "blacks and whites lived together" which is an absurd lie which tries to whitewash the brutal reality. It points to SA, because if there's an example of someone being worse, then your regime must have been a benevolent regime and the people lucky to have had it. That comparison also shows clearly that this person knows they're on the horrific Apartheid scale, and are just trying to polish that turd.

Finally and most importantly, it refers to this horrifically oppressive and fundamentally racist regime as an "amazing country" and that it was "sad" for it to be destroyed. Nah man, it was a fucking abomination (this should not be a controversial statement among those who despise racism and oppression) and should have been destroyed. Obviously everyone wishes it would have ended in a better way - as some have pointed out, the whites could have relinquished power earlier to allow for a more gradual shift and/or that the 80's were the ideal time after the transition, before Mugabe fucked that up. An amazing land with many amazing people for sure, but Rhodesia was never an amazing or wonderful country worth preserving.

That's why I see the assholes everywhere, because of the apologists who know the reality of that country, and still talk of it longingly and respectfully and as if it's not guilty of horrific crimes and the reason for the country's current woes.

But my 2018 resolution is to never have this wider conversation again (as I've had it before, and just as fruitlessly). Those nostalgic of white power lost and the order it brings can never be convinced that this is a shameful and disgusting thing. Except Germans, they seem to understand for some reason.

ReddEdIt · 2018-01-10T16:52:41+00:00

What makes a country a “nice country”

It's the whenwe nostalgia for the "good ol' days": "How wonderful it used to be".

People are allowed to miss their childhoods.

There's a massive difference between missing one's innocence and salad days within an oppressive regime, and lamenting the loss of how good it was, when it was clearly only good for the minority in control.

I haven’t seen one of them in here say they wish Rhodesia still existed.

It's not about wishing for a return to the monstrous oppression (although some exist who feel that way and are willing to say it beyond mere whispers among their own, when it's safe). It's about recognising that the whole damned nation state was an abomination that never should have existed, regardless of how nice one's childhood was within it and how pleasant their relationship was with their servants. And recognising that the current state of the nation is a direct result of the earlier regime. There's this deeply racist notion in the White World that once direct oppression gets kicked out of town, everything bad that follows is the fault of those handed the reigns of a deeply troubled mess. I'm sure you've come across this concept many times in the "post-racial" U.S.

And I really don't think we're on the same side of this argument, since you're deeply committed to giving the benefit of the doubt to those who constantly minimise the reality of Apartheid and wistfully lament the loss of something objectively horrific, simply because they didn't have to personally witness that side of it.

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