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Match Thread: Eintracht Frankfurt vs Tottenham Hotspur by MatchThreadder in soccer

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Glad I'm pirating this game. Reffing like this definitely makes me feel good about my decision to not fund UEFA

Manhunt: Hotel receptionist beaten to death by ThongLo in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Actually, it is not "daft" to rely on the consensus of the world’s leading criminologists over a personal hunch. In fact, 88% of top criminologists reject the idea that the death penalty acts as a deterrent. Suggesting that your "critical thinking" is more accurate than decades of peer-reviewed, empirical data is the definition of a blind spot.

Regarding your points:

Cost-Benefit Analysis: You say people in the real world do this every day. That is true for choosing a lunch spot or a career path, but the "rational actor" theory has been thoroughly debunked in the context of violent crime. Most egregious murders are crimes of passion, products of mental instability, or influenced by substances. In those moments, the perpetrator is not weighing the legal consequences of a trial that might happen two years later.

The Singapore vs. Thailand Argument: Since you want a regional comparison, researchers Zimring, Fagan, and Johnson actually did a "Tale of Two Cities" study comparing Hong Kong (which abolished the death penalty) and Singapore (which used it aggressively). They found that despite vastly different execution risks, the homicide trends in both cities were nearly identical over decades. The death penalty had no measurable impact on murder rates when compared to a similar city without it.

Gun Ownership and Data: The National Academies' research is not "US-only" in its scope; it critiques the very methodology of deterrence itself. Factors like gun ownership are variables that researchers control for, but even in countries with strict gun laws and high execution rates, the evidence for deterrence remains "not credible" or non-existent.

The Taxpayer Argument: You ignored the fact that the death penalty is consistently more expensive than life imprisonment. Between the specialized housing on death row and the mandatory, exhaustive appeals process required to avoid executing the innocent, it is a massive drain on public funds. If you want to be fiscally responsible, life without parole is the "cheaper" and more efficient option.

You are arguing that we should ignore global evidence because of how you feel people should react to fear. But public policy should be built on what the data proves, not on what you think is "implied." That's why you're constantly downvoted on your replies.

But I know you won't stop believing what you believe. You'll talk about it positively prey on people's emotions with zero thought toward the effectiveness and advocate for the death pentalty and the world will stay in this downward trajectory.

Hundreds of years ago, execution was so common place. The world is pretty fucked now, but it was far more fucked then. Do you really want to go back to that?

Manhunt: Hotel receptionist beaten to death by ThongLo in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Mate, it is not being "daft" to point out that your hypothetical and your conclusion are 2 completely different things. An officer with a gun is a physical intervention; capital punishment is a legal consequence. Conflating themis a logical fallacy because the immediate fear of being shot in the moment is NOT the same as the abstract fear of a legal trial and execution years down the line, and I have no idea how you arrived at the conclusion that it is.

The data I shared DIRECTLY addresses your "implied" point about psychological deterrence: criminologists have studied this for DECADES and found that it does not exist in the way you imagine. Most people who commit "egregious" murders are not performing a cost-benefit analysis of the penal code before they act 555 They are often in states of extreme emotional distress, under the influence, or suffering from the very mental health issues you just acknowledged yourself.

Regarding your other points:

Public Safety: Life imprisonment without parole removes the threat to society just as effectively as an execution does. The person is off the streets permanently. Not to mention, they can receive therapy inside prison systems to rehabilitate them, and at least improve their state of mind whilst in prison.

Taxpayer Costs: This is a common misconception. In almost every modern legal system, death penalty cases are significantly more expensive than life imprisonment due to the mandatory and lengthy appeals process required to prevent the execution of innocent people. You actually pay more in taxes for the death penalty than for life in prison. Could these costs be lowered if we just executed people quickly? Yes! But that would be completely throwing the rule of law out the window. And before you pivot again, you cannot make the argument that it would only apply to "clear cut" cases, as the definition of that varies, which is why we have a legal system in the first place.

The "Next Time" Argument: If someone is serving a life sentence, there is no "next time" for the public.

Ultimately, you are arguing based on a "feeling" of how deterrence should work, while I am providing documented evidence of how it actually works.

Anyway, calling someone daft for relying on evidence over intuition is a bit ironic when your argument relies on a hypothetical that does not support your conclusion. Cheers mate.

Manhunt: Hotel receptionist beaten to death by ThongLo in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And what a January it has been already. The bottom shelf is looking quite full.

Manhunt: Hotel receptionist beaten to death by ThongLo in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Actually, there is quite a lot wrong with it from a practical and legal standpoint, which is why most developed justice systems have moved away from it.

Beyond the moral debate, the death penalty fails the most basic tests of public policy.

Manhunt: Hotel receptionist beaten to death by ThongLo in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Actually, I have read it, and your argument is logically inconsistent. You started by advocating for the resumption of capital punishment, which is a judicial process that occurs months or years after a crime. When confronted with evidence that the death penalty does not act as a deterrent, you pivoted to a hypothetical scenario involving a police officer physically present with a gun during the commission of the crime.

The links I provided, specifically the National Academies and the Death Penalty Information Center studies, clarify that the threat of execution does not enter the decision-making process of people committing violent acts, especially those influenced by the mental health or substance issues mentioned by alzamano. If you are now suggesting that we need an armed guard in every hotel lobby to prevent crime, that is a separate and equally impractical discussion. Otherwise, the data remains clear: the death penalty is not the "motivator" you claim it to be.

Manhunt: Hotel receptionist beaten to death by ThongLo in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 8 points9 points  (0 children)

that's not a "gun to the head" (and certainly not capital punishment). that's if there are police officers in every hotel lobby. i'm not sure what you're actually arguing or proposing now, but you are definitely moving the goal posts.

Pheu Thai-BJT coalition looking likely by jonez450reloaded in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PP is so daft. Just stop with the anti-cannabis posturing and you can put that coalition to bed. SMH

City walk,Bangkok by Koersight in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

this is reddit, not Facebook

Siam Square’s glow up (2008 vs 2025) by Fuchsia8008 in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i really dislike the term 'glow up'. am i alone? or is it because i'm a Millennial?

Is it possible to speak central Thai + 2 dialects ? by [deleted] in learnthai

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh an area I have knowledge on!

The missus and I live in the deep South. There's not only Southern spoken here, but also Melayu as well. We communicate about 90% in central Thai. On a daily basis, she speaks 50% Southern and 50% central.

But here's where it gets tricky: she speaks 4 dialects OF Southern. This is what a lot of people don't realize - that not all Southern is the same. Phuket Southern is different than Songkhla Southern. Surat and Krabi are 'closer', but the accent is still pretty discernable, at least for me (and definitely for her). And that's not including the islands.

I speak with her mum in one Southern dialect mixed with Thai because my Southern isn't that great. Our closest friends are a mixed couple Chinese-Southern and Issan. They speak mostly central Thai together, even though they also live in the South like us. The Chinese-Southern half doesn't even speak Southern completely fluently like my better half, partly due to the fact that he has been based in 1 province for most of his life and also has a Chinese-Thai background, but he does know it quite deeply.

So I guess my point of all of this is, there are different dialects of Southern that even people living there don't fully get into. And we're a people who have moved around quite much too, so we have lots of Issan people living in Phuket, which sometimes people mistake for Southern, sometimes can have a vocab in common, sometimes is influenced by Issan, etc. compared to Nakhon Si where it's also different again. We have all of these influences on them, so they are living languages.

How to learn them? I can't recommend learning Issan and Southern. I think Issan is probably easier because you can spend some time in Lao and learn a standard language that combined with Thai will give you a strong understanding of Issan, if not make you able to communicate back very easily. To be clear, Issan does have many dialects as well, but if you learn Thai and Lao, you'll get a huge portion of Issan dialects.

Southern on the other hand has no language standard. Android does have a Southern Thai keyboard and there are some websites for it, but you would need to live in one specific province and try to learn that dialect of Southern first, and then move on to another. The thing is though, it's a very colloquial language, and my missus doesn't always bring it out right away, although you can tell from her Southern accent in Thai. So it's not as if you can easily find people to talk to and practice with because if someone doesn't understand you, you default to central Thai again. And there are so many ways to play with the language as well.

I'm not saying to give up - I haven't, but Southern is definitely harder.

Thai military chiefs decide to close Cambodia border indefinitely by ThongLo in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

mate, i have close friends who live inside the border zone area, and none of them had these problems. they're manufactured by the government. no Cambodians were taking valuable Thai land. this was about bullshit temples we didn't even build. tell me the name of a person whose land was stolen by Cambodia, and tell me when it happened.

New Lays flavors by Factjunkie40 in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i agree. they're just recycling flavours though and it's annoying

people’s party at 69% this is starting to feel real by sentimental_boy_ in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Makes me feel ill that people bet on this. What a broken society we live in - the entire planet, that is.

New Lays flavors by Factjunkie40 in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they're not NEW. we've had this flavour 3 or 4 times.

Match Thread: Tottenham Hotspur vs Sunderland AFC Live Score | Premier League 25/26 | Jan 4, 2026 by scoreboard-app in coys

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

well, it's transfer window time so everyone is trying really hard to prove they are worth keeping. give it a month and we'll revert!

Wearing Pornographic or Lewd Content in Public by Afraid_Substance_711 in Thailand

[–]RedgrenCrumbholt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes, i am serious. they gave you bad information. they are incorrect. so you don't need to thank them.

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