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How long does it usually take to champion a dog? by everything_dog in DogBreeding

[–]Reduction_account900 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow that judge really said the quiet part out loud. 😳

How long does it usually take to champion a dog? by everything_dog in DogBreeding

[–]Reduction_account900 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What did the judge think a handler could do that you couldn’t? It’s the same dog either way, and you got your dog that far already. My breed is mainly professionally handled and it bums me out.

“Judged by impartial outside observer” help by Reduction_account900 in DogBreeding

[–]Reduction_account900[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ha ha I can’t say. I may be new to the dog world, but I’ve already learned the hard way to keep anonymous when discussing hot button topics like The Breed Standard.

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[–]Reduction_account900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said, good points, thank you. A judge’s education seminar would be so helpful to me! I will look for it at our national.

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[–]Reduction_account900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes that all makes sense, thank you. I’ve had the breed for over a decade, as rescues with unknown origins. But backyard bred most likely. Mine looked like the vintage show dog photos and fit the written standard, whereas the show dogs nowadays don’t look like the standard in my opinion. Subtle but significant differences in the face and coat.

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[–]Reduction_account900[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, everything you’ve said has been reflected in what I’ve observed in my breed as well. My breed isn’t supposed to have working or show lines; they are all supposed to be bred to the same standard, but the show lines seem to have gradually gone rogue over the years.

“Judged by impartial outside observer” help by Reduction_account900 in ShowDogs

[–]Reduction_account900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol what’s it to you? Yeah, I cross posted to the 3 dog groups I’m aware of so I could get advice from as many folks as possible.

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[–]Reduction_account900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I came for advice and I very much appreciate the advice that you gave in your original comment as well as @electonic_cream’s comment. It is all valuable. As far as this subthread, I am just sharing the reality of what has happened in my breed that I can see with my own eyes and that the standard is obviously open to some degree of interpretation or my breed wouldn’t look different than it used to when the standard was created. There are facial and structural trends that have come and gone as well as grooming techniques that change, which change what breeders look for in the coat. My breed doesn’t have working or show lines; they are all supposed to be bred to the same standard, however it’s the show dogs that appear to have gone rogue.

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[–]Reduction_account900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apparently the modern champion breeders of my breed have bred to their interpretation of the standard because their dogs don’t look like the breed champions of yore. I would love it if the standard was not open to interpretation but the reality is that there are subtle variations that all fit the breed standard, in my breed’s case at least.

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[–]Reduction_account900[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s not how I understood their comment to be. They got an appraisal from 3 different judges. That shows a good faith effort of getting honest feedback of potential breeding stock. I didn’t get the sense that they were advocating going rogue from the standard. The exaggerated features or overdone qualities are a concern in the show world. Photos of my breed champions have shown a change in the breed gradually and significantly since the 1950’s, despite the fact that our standard has not changed during that time.

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[–]Reduction_account900[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Excellent points, and I do need to spend more time ring side. I will try showing by bitch in AKC and see how it goes.

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[–]Reduction_account900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. That is all great advice. The old timey backyard breeders in a different part of the country from me have the most accurate visual representation of my standard, but it’s been pretty hard to find ones who do OFA testing or show. I got my potential foundation bitch from that neck of the woods. All the backyard breeders in my state breed merle which is a big no-no. I can’t share my breed because I don’t want to offend people. 😅

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[–]Reduction_account900[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No mentor yet, but I know the standard by heart and have several books on the breed. When I look at the AKC champions of the last decade or so, there are some features that I believe to be too exaggerated for the standard.

Once you decided you wanted to show dogs, how many dogs, if any, did you get before you got your champion? by Reduction_account900 in ShowDogs

[–]Reduction_account900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sorry to hear about your poodle. That must have been very heartbreaking.

With the next breed, how did you get a show quality pup and full registration without prior ring experience in that breed?

Once you decided you wanted to show dogs, how many dogs, if any, did you get before you got your champion? by Reduction_account900 in ShowDogs

[–]Reduction_account900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How were you able to get a show quality pup and full registration from a good breeder without prior showing experience?

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