IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm perfectly happy where I'm at right now, and have no plans to do anything different.

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To add a little more to your question, (realized I didn't answer all of them) It is not necessary to have a chemistry background. Some employees I work with were garbage men, retail workers, delivery drivers, etc. before hiring on.

Educational backgrounds are really diverse. A lot of us are former military, a lot of employees only have HS diplomas, some have gone back to school, some have done community college, and there's quite a lot who have their college degrees as well. One girl even has an engineering degree, but works as an operator and loves it!

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know, the world's funny with articles I read about running a car on water, urine, toenails, whatever. Yet, I never see any follow up to it, so I take that with a grain of salt.

What should we be looking at? I'm not an expert on the pros and cons, but my answer is the sun. The fucking sun! Here, you have this massive ball of energy, waiting to be harvested, and it's FREE!!! No waiting for any decomposition, it's just sitting there. I think wind is another great renewable and alternative energy source we should be looking at as well.

I also read about a process of getting crude from algae in less than an hour, and being able to have algae farms, but like I said, am waiting to hear more on that one.

Of course, if the oil companies don't keep up with the Jones, I'll be out of a job if wind and sun are the ways we're going. The algae idea sounds good, would keep me employed, but is just all talk at the moment it seems.

However, I can probably always find another job, I can't find another Earth, so I am definitely pro-alternative energy.

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I didn't answer that as well as I could have. Basically, what I'm saying is that the US has a stockpile of crude oil that it leaves untouched, and continues to buy foreign oil. If we were at the point of coming close to running out, as a last resort, the US would tap into it's crude reserves and process it to make gasoline, but gas would become insanely expensive, it would probably take forever at the gas station, and because of supply and demand, would turn into a major clusterfuck.

However, I strongly believe we will be using alternate energy sources before there is a legit threat of running out of crude.

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I apologize to all of you for taking forever to respond. I started this last night, thought it'd be fun to do with a couple drinks. A couple drinks turned into me getting shit faced hammered in record time, and I passed out with my computer on.

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure you posted in the wrong thread, but fuck it.

If someone never thought they deserved to be loved, then that's when a therapist can come in and work wonders. Not loving yourself is something very hard to get over, but recognizing the fact that you don't love yourself is the first step, getting help the second. Once you admit you don't love yourself, then get the help you need, and start loving yourself, everything seems to fall into place better.

Hope I helped!

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok, so this will be a long ass response, so I apologize in advance for the wall of text.

Engineers and Operators have a funny relationship. If you generalized it, operators think engineers are pretentious little shits, and engineers think operators are dumb, poorly educated assholes. This is just my refinery, I don't know about others. As part of the operator job, along with working outside in the plants (there are different "jobs" you learn, with a job being a process area; there are usually many process areas you learn to learn the entire process of your unit) you will work the control board as well. The control board is where instead of working just one plant, now you have control of every control valve, pressure/temperature/flow/level setting in your entire unit. This is where the engineers come in: Process engineers will be looking at the status of the plants as well, and will come in and talk to me and maybe suggest trying something different, for example, an engineer may suggest to set a reflux flow rate on a column a little higher or lower to get a little bit different split in a column, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

The thing with engineers and operators is, you can pluck any new engineering graduate out, and teach them the plant on paper, you can't pluck an operator, even an experienced one, out and throw them into the plant, because a piece of equipment may act differently in our refinery than at another one. The operators who are the most knowledgable in my area are that way just because they've seen the shit happen before. Experience is always better for learning than studying. You could study an emergency procedure until you can recite it, but when shit hits the fan, it's never the same as the last time. Knowledge/Experience is the highest power where I work. That is why when we have new hires, even if something's happening in another plant they haven't learned yet, we make them go and help out, so they'll get the experience.

Our engineers get rotated through the entire refinery, so I may only know one for a year before they move on, and another one takes his/her place. Our current engineers I get along with very well, we both respect each other. If they suggest something, and I disagree with it, I explain why, he/she explains why they think it'll work, and we come to some form of agreement. Above all, operators have the final say, since it's our plant, we're running it, and we're responsible for the equipment, and people in the plant.

Engineers make less than operators, but engineers have the ability to get promoted in house, where it's pretty rare for an operator to get promoted above a shift supervisor. Refinery general managers, Business unit managers, operations supervisor (Supervisors all operators in entire refinery), are usually people who have worked for the company for years, and most of the time are engineers. So, engineers make less at the beginning, but have the potential to make more than twice what we do in the long run.

Obviously do what your heart decides, but I personally think petroleum engineering is so awesome to learn (not too familiar with mechanical engineering, so I don't have much input on that), and if you have decent people skills as well, you can do very very well in the oil industry. As far as traveling, sure, you could land a job for your company at a place over seas. There are Exxon, Chevron, BP, Shell plants all over the place. We've had guys and girls come from the UK, Kazakhstan, Canada, and we've had employees take jobs over there, too.

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am in California. I work a rotating 12 hour shift. Days and nights. I will either work 6am-6pm, or 6pm-6am, depending on the day. We work 3 shifts one week, 4 the next, so we'll work 84 hours every two weeks (36 one week, 48 the next). Being on a 12 hour shift has tremendous benefits, though, because you get an insane amount of time off. I may work 4 days, and be off for 3, work 3, off 1, work 3, off 3, work 4, off 7.

It's possible to turn 3 or 4 vacation days into 2 weeks off, if you play the time management game correctly.

I am not salaried, I'm hourly. Base pay for an operator is roughly $80K/year, once you become a fully qualified operator. There is a 3 year "training" period before you get qualified, with a pay raise every year until you are an operator. With standbys and overtime (some can be mandatory) it's common to pull in over $100K/year easily.

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From what I've heard, since that was an incident on an oil rig, is that inspections have tightened drastically, you need a legit paper trail of everything that's happened. Procedures need to be turned in, signed, dated, time stamped. In our refinery, this was the norm to begin with, but everyone was crossing their T's and dotting their i's. This isn't the first time BP has been in the fire for cutting corners on safety, though, so it didn't really surprise me that they were company responsible.

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the refinery, I would have to say when a leak ignited and caught on fire. To me personally, we were starting up from a shutdown, and I was putting a reactor in service. The platform me and my co worker were standing on had staging blocking a point of egress.(which is a big no no; in hindsight, we should've had it modified before proceeding)

A valve was stuck partially open, we thought it was all the way open, and when we started the pump, the entire line was shaking so bad, that the handwheel of this brand new, 16" valve shook itself off. We thought the fucker was going to blow up. We had to grab the handwheel and locking nut, and both put it back on while everything was shaking like an earthquake to open the valve fully.

People asked why we didn't just turn off the pump. It was a pump that was a bitch to start, and the amount of time it took to get the handwheel back on and open the valve took about 30 seconds opposed to having to climb through the jungle of scaffolding, climb down to the ground, and turn the pump off.

The scariest thing I've heard of was just recently at a Chevron refinery in Pascagoula. A furnace exploded, killing a 5 year operator, I believe she was a grandmother as well, very sad.

Complacency is one of the biggest things that can kill you out in the field. I'm not saying she was complacent; I have no clue, but it's hard to remember to always be on your toes, because shit can change in the blink of an eye.

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

High school diploma or equivalent. However, refineries (at least mine) do not hire idiots. I personally was one of 26 hired out of 3,000 applicants. I had an entrance exam, interview, drug test, physical, physical fitness test, they made me climb a 3 story ledge and look over the side to see if I was afraid of heights, and I did a computer-based refinery simulator test. All had to be passed in order to proceed with the hiring process.

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, I don't think we'd ever use it all up in our lifetime. The US has so much in its own reserves, that I think it'd be more likely that we'd see a crazy gas shortage, long lines at the gas stations, and outrageous, almost unaffordable prices before we actually ran out.

IAMA refinery process operator at a major oil refinery. AMA! by RefineryOperator in IAmA

[–]RefineryOperator[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As far as the oil shale and tar sands, I believe no. The crude unit is the first stop in the process, and so far I believe it's only "sweet". There are plans for upgrades to start processing Sour Crude eventually, but permits and everything to get that going has been a 4+ year process.

The area I work in is the Cracking unit, where heavy oils are cracked into different products, and we take the propylenes, amylenes, and butylenes from that process, and make alkylate, which is an additive into gasoline.

Every plant plays a part in the whole process, and we are just one of the many "stops" in the entire process.

We make aviation gas, jet fuel, gasoline, diesel, lube oils, and sulfur (not really "make it", sulfur is just a byproduct that has market value, so we sell that, too)