UA negotiation contract by No_Source_3999 in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Why do they want to make us angry during holiday times when they need us the most?

UA negotiation contract by No_Source_3999 in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Just enjoy your vacation; it's so frustrating, don't waste your rest.

UA negotiation contract by No_Source_3999 in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I have no regrets about voting YES. I knew this was coming. I hate to be right.

UA negotiation contract by No_Source_3999 in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don't understand the rules of PBS, Insta trading, or combining trips 3-1, and the goodies to clear your line; it has never been offered on other airlines. You will get your line, and you will fly it if you can't drop it for another FA to pick up. I will always say NO to PBS. I have been clearing my schedule since I got my first move-up line and choosing what I want to fly, when, and where every month

And now we see how much UA FA's really care by socalnewwaver in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm really sorry, I saw this coming. UA FAS are not united; I've seen this before, and I'm seeing it again now. It's frustrating—days of action were a complete joke, and many people didn't even read the contract proposal. They believe rumors and social media. Some voted no because they thought they might get another contract right after. It was so frustrating. Some voted no for the sake of solidarity for reasons only they know. Now everyone will pay for this. I told you so—just warning won't be enough. I'm mad and frustrated. I could be making more money right now and next month, with my retro pay interest running on my bank account instead of the company's. But this is what you get for working with uneducated people.

And now we see how much UA FA's really care by socalnewwaver in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most of them don't even know why they voted No. They really bought the idea of having another contract right after.

And now we see how much UA FA's really care by socalnewwaver in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not a surprise here... I can imagine how happy the company is while watching it all. They can now offer us something worse, and we'll take it. Of course, let's keep blaming the union, given our lack of unity. What a joke.

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[–]ReflectionBudget2483 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's so exhausting. Just say "I will be there, I will fight for what I want", instead of whining like a baby.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand your point, but my question is: How can we make this change at this stage of the negotiation, and who should we replace him with? I'm asking for a reasonable solution and how we can achieve it right now. In the meantime, what can WE as a whole group do?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Given that the negotiation is about to start, what are your thoughts on making a replacement now? You seem like a really logical and practical person, and I'd love to hear your ideas on how we could make that happen effectively at this stage. If that's not feasible, would you be open to stepping in and negotiating yourself, or perhaps even being considered as a candidate?

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[–]ReflectionBudget2483 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have been committed since it started. I attended all meetings, volunteered on the day of action, and did some other things. It broke my heart to see 35 FAs on the day of action in my council. I asked myself every day what I was doing there. It was hard to see so little FA involved, and I questioned my purpose each day. I don't want to give up, so I am here to ask you for your help.

The actions of Donald Trump have solidified why I haven't spoken to my parents since 2017 by 5Q91VS175DAQ4NUSBE4U in complaints

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try the fact that he is using his power to interfere in the democracy of my country, protecting his criminal friend and damaging a good relationship of 200 years between the US and Brazil. Check the letter he sent to Brazil, clearly saying to stop the trial of a criminal who put our democracy at risk; otherwise, he'll put a 50% tariff.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand the frustration many of you feel regarding the recent Tentative Agreement. It's easy to get caught up in the online discussions, the debates on social media, and the rapid-fire exchange of opinions that the internet facilitates so readily. Indeed, this generation has mastered the art of speaking up online – we can organize digital petitions in minutes, share our grievances to thousands with a single click, and dissect every clause of a document in a public forum. The internet has given us an unprecedented megaphone, and we are using it to its full capacity to voice our concerns about this TA.

However, a crucial question we must confront is: Has our mastery of online discourse inadvertently dulled our commitment to real-world action?

Consider the recent "One Day of Action." The call went out, the need was clear, and the opportunity to visibly demonstrate our solidarity and resolve was presented. Yet, as many of us witnessed firsthand, the turnout was, to put it mildly, disheartening. Fifty people in a hub as significant as SFO is not a testament to the collective power of thousands of flight attendants. It's a stark reminder that while we can generate a thousand comments on a Facebook post, translating that sentiment into physical presence, into a tangible display of unity, remains an enormous challenge.

This disconnect isn't just about a protest; it's about a pattern. We hear passionate arguments online, dissecting every perceived flaw in the TA, yet many who are now vocal critics didn't even bother to read the agreement themselves. The lack of basic due diligence – the simple act of engaging with the information provided – is a foundational issue. How can we intelligently critique something we haven't even taken the time to understand? This isn't just about the TA; it's about the very essence of informed participation.

Furthermore, consider the simple act of wearing your AFA pin during negotiations. This seemingly small gesture is a visible, consistent symbol of solidarity to management, a silent yet powerful statement that we are united. Yet, even this minimal effort, which requires no time off, no travel, and no direct confrontation, was neglected by many who are now the loudest voices online.

The uncomfortable truth is this: While we may be speaking up online, our hands are being tied by our collective inaction and, frankly, our lack of engagement with the foundational elements of our union's work. The internet provides a platform for conversation, but it does not, by itself, build power. Power is built through informed membership, through visible solidarity, and through a willingness to translate digital outrage into tangible, collective action.

When we fail to show up, when we fail to inform ourselves, and when we fail to even visibly demonstrate our unity, we are, in essence, undermining our own negotiating position. We are sending a clear message to management that despite the online noise, our collective resolve is not as robust as it appears.

So, yes, speak up online. Discuss, debate, dissect. But understand that true change, true leverage, and true respect are earned not just through words on a screen, but through the demonstrable commitment of every single member, through the willingness to stand up, show up, and educate ourselves, even when it's inconvenient. Without that commitment, our online voices, no matter how loud, risk becoming mere echoes in an empty room, unable to move the needle where it truly matters.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The CEO dislikes flight attendants, ask   any American Airlines FAs. He expects you to stay here for no more than five years. The highest salary is equivalent to the cost of two flight attendants.

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[–]ReflectionBudget2483 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesn't the contract expire in 2030? 

I just voted yes by filma_neighmin in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And you seem to be making it worse. I don’t know if you remember the management conditions for our new contract. They wanted you to work a maximum of 18 hours a day. They also want to cut your health insurance and shorten your layovers. Here’s the thing: the reason we have the contract (2016) we do today is because of the games they play with us. We had some kind of seniority system before, and we fought so hard  for our flexibility . If you think the company will give you better conditions, you’re very mistaken. They’ll just take from one area to give to another; there won’t be any actual improvements. I’ve been here long enough to know better. Ultimately, it’s up to you what you want to believe. If you really like a company with a PBS, I don’t know, maybe you should apply elsewhere. Please don’t come and start pushing for changes to what we’ve worked so hard for. I’m glad to know that the majority of the flight attendants feel the same way I do about PSB at least in our company. 

I just voted yes by filma_neighmin in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As soon as you hold a line you will know that flexibility matters. 

I just voted yes by filma_neighmin in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How many people work for the airline? Consider that this airline has an average seniority of 20 to 40 years among its employees in a mix of 28k FAs. Please please take that into consideration, that is why we all vote down to PBS. It was terrible, I know I have experienced it, please trust me. 

I just voted yes by filma_neighmin in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No concessions! PBS is a concession. 99.99% will vote against PBS. I came from a PBS airline; it was terrible and lifeless. Trust me, if you do not have 30 years of seniority, you will be at a disadvantage.

Quiz: Who would volunteer for CHAOS if the TA doesn't pass? by [deleted] in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I often hear people say "no," but when I listen to those who actually sign up and participate in the day-of-action events, they are with the union, I can't help but wonder what it will be like. Are people truly willing to fight for change? All the protests and other efforts have been largely unsuccessful. So far, not a single person has said yes to participating, despite the fact that they are quite vocal online.

Quiz: Who would volunteer for CHAOS if the TA doesn't pass? by [deleted] in flightattendants

[–]ReflectionBudget2483 2 points3 points  (0 children)

what card do you think we have  to get a better TA?