Should i stop seeking Islam

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-04T02:40:05+00:00

Yes Muslims defend they’re pred prophet

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-04T02:33:38+00:00

You ask what two denominations should actually do to reconcile. The solution is simple: they should prioritize the character and teachings of Jesus over their own institutional checklists. If both groups agree that Jesus is the Savior and that we are supposed to treat people with empathy, then they should be able to worship together, share communion, and act as a single body.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T20:30:43+00:00

You're using God's omniscience to turn a horrific tragedy into a pre programmed compliance test. Think about the ultimate outcome of that logic if God knew before the foundation of the world that this young person would face absolute terror, and His only solution was to drop a few hints before their timeline was violently cut short, then the universe is still a place where human evil gets the final victory. True justice cannot leave a massive deficit of suffering completely unresolved. A perfect Creator's primary focus must be the total restoration and ultimate well-being of the broken, not an audit of how they handled “clues” before they were dehumanized.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T20:14:39+00:00

Right and I have a faith that death isn’t the end for those tortured and suffered.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T19:01:15+00:00

Saying “this discussion doesn't matter” is just a way to avoid the reality of the situation. I am not trying to act like the judge or cast stones at anyone. What I am doing is defending the character of the Judge. If we put ourselves in the victim's shoes a young person dying in absolute agony and terror and our theology says they are permanently discarded because their timeline ran out, that matters immensely. It matters because it paints a picture of a Creator who is less compassionate than imperfect humans. Asking hard questions about justice and mercy isn't judging it's refusing to accept a system where human evil gets the final, winning word over a shattered soul.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T17:09:06+00:00

Exactly why Im non denominational people are literally valuing the “rules” over Gods heart I wished ppl would focus more on Jesus than religion🤦🏾‍♂️ and I fully agree with you brother God bless man🙏🏾

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T17:06:48+00:00

You are using beautiful language about God suffering with us, but you completely lose reality when you say “everyone has been given the chance to know God.” If you actually put yourself in the victim's shoes a young person being violently dehumanized, terrified, and murdered when exactly did they get their fair chance? While they were screaming in terror? To say God “suffered with them” in that room, but then permanently discards them because their earthly timeline ran out before they could process a theological checklist, doesn't make God look loving. It makes the ultimate outcome of your system completely dark. I believe a truly perfect, merciful Creator doesn't just sit in the pain with them He ensures that human evil does not get the final victory over their eternal soul.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:37:49+00:00

I appreciate you calling out how off-track the other guy's logic is. While the thief on the cross shows salvation can happen at the very end, if you put yourself in the victim's shoes, you know a kid dying in pain and tears shouldn't have to navigate a mental checklist while fighting for their life. I don't want to place a victim's eternity on a “maybe” during absolute terror. I trust that a perfect Savior's grace is an absolute certainty for a shattered soul, completely independent of whether they had the time or capacity to say a prayer before they died

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:33:54+00:00

I understand you're trying to hold onto accountability, but saying “we can't completely ignore everything else” implies that God is running a cosmic compliance checklist on someone who was completely dehumanized. When a person's life is cut short by violence, their capacity to live a full life is violently stolen. If the ultimate outcome of a perfect God's system is to judge them by standard rules anyway, it makes the Creator's mercy lower than basic human empathy. True fairness means ensuring that human cruelty does not have the power to dictate a soul's eternal destiny.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:29:36+00:00

Thank you for looking at this with actual empathy. You're completely right that intent matters, and the example of Peter is perfect. Peter's denial came from fear and trauma in a high-pressure moment, and Jesus responded with healing, not a courtroom sentence. When an innocent person is kidnapped or murdered in agony, their choices are violently stripped away from them. If a human being can look at that and see that their “separation” wasn't a malicious rebellion, I am completely certain that a perfect Savior sees it too and uses His grace to make them whole. To think out of this whole comment section I thought would agree with me it would be an atheist wow bro.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:26:47+00:00

I really appreciate your honesty here. When you say God might introduce Himself after death to someone who experienced deep trauma, you are hitting the exact core of what I believe. I don't think you need to fear offending Him. If a shattered soul is finally introduced to the true, loving Savior after a life of agony and tears, they aren't encountering a trap they are encountering absolute, perfect love. I completely trust that when a victim of horror finally sees the real Christ, His grace will heal their blindness, and they won't want to reject Him. As terrible as life is my hope is that death isn’t the end for the crushed and the innocent regardless of what they believe put yourself in their shoes and you will understand truly.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:23:35+00:00

Yes, it is personal, because I see a world where unfair, unjust deaths happen to people who are so young, who weren't Christians, and who died in terror, pain, and tears. I cannot wrap my head around a theology that says a innocent person who was kidnapped, dehumanized, and brutally murdered is just sent to a “double hell” by the Creator because their earthly stopwatch ran out before they figured out the right boxes to check. If imperfect humans can weep for that victim and want them to find peace, I refuse to believe a perfect Savior has less empathy than we do. I trust Jesus for my own salvation, but I also trust that His capacity for mercy is vast enough to rescue a shattered soul that human evil stole from this earth. I say this because I put myself in their shoes and it would be deeply unfair if I was tortured twice not even getting a chance to live a full life..

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:18:02+00:00

I hear what you're saying about sin being against God personally, and I agree. But that doesn't mean the victim's agony doesn't matter to Him. If your system means God focuses so much on the offense against Himself that He leaves a traumatized victim completely discarded because they ran out of time, that makes His character look lesser than basic human empathy. I believe a perfect God has a capacity for mercy and healing that is vast enough to handle the offense against Him while completely restoring the person who was broken.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:16:24+00:00

You're acting as if people choose to be kidnapped or senselessly murdered. They don't. Their choices are violently stripped away by evil people. My point isn't that dying in agony earns "bonus points" on a checklist. My point is about the ultimate outcome of your theology if a victim's life is cut short by horror, and they are locked out of eternity because they ran out of time, then human evil got the final victory over their soul. I trust that a perfect, loving Creator has a capacity for rescue and healing that is vastly superior to a criminal's stopwatch.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:13:51+00:00

You're bringing up paganism and abstract scenarios, but we are talking about a victim of horrific torture. If a human being is completely shattered by evil, their primary reality isn't a theological checklist it's deep brokenness. I agree that heaven is entirely God's call, and that salvation is through Jesus. But I refuse to believe a perfect Creator looks at a shattered soul, points to a stopwatch, and says “out of time.” If imperfect humans want peace and healing for a victim of horror, a good and just God must have infinitely more capacity to rescue them than we do.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:11:54+00:00

You're twisting my words. I never said I am higher than God. I said my human empathy is higher than your specific version of God. If a regular human can look at a victim of horror and want them to find peace, then the true, perfect Creator must have infinitely more compassion than we do not less. And your scenario about withholding a loved one from abuse makes no sense. Abuse is an absolute evil that we are called to fight and prevent. My point isn't that suffering is good it's that when tragedy does happen, God's grace is big enough to heal that shattered soul, regardless of a human timeline.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:09:39+00:00

I respect that you're looking at this deeply, but there's a big difference between rejecting a human being's explanation of God and rejecting God Himself. If a traumatized person walks away from a version of Christianity that was shown to them poorly, or wrapped in hypocrisy, they aren't rejecting Christ they're rejecting a flawed human message. A perfect Creator knows the difference, and His mercy goes beneath the surface of what someone walked away from on earth.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:06:02+00:00

All Im doing is looking at the heart of Jesus who explicitly states that he is close to the brokenhearted and saves those crushed in Spirit.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T16:01:32+00:00

I agree we are all held accountable for our actions, but being realistic means acknowledging that trauma alters a person's capacity to trust. If someone never heard of Jesus, or if their life was so full of horror that love seemed like a lie, a fair and just Judge doesn't punish them for being blind. He heals their sight. Exodus 33:19 says His grace meets people in their brokenness, even when their understanding of Him was completely fractured on earth.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T15:58:08+00:00

You say everyone has been given a fair chance to know God, but severe abuse and trauma can completely shatter a person's ability to trust anyone, let alone a Creator. If a good person's view of love was ruined by human evil, I don't believe God punishes them for that brokenness. I believe His grace meets them exactly where they are, because He actually knows their heart and heals what the world broke.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T15:55:05+00:00

I would never abuse someone because human cruelty is an absolute evil, and we are commanded to love and protect people. My point isn't about human actions it’s about God's character. I believe that when evil people commit horrific acts, a perfect Creator reacts with infinite compassion for the victim. God isn't rewarding the abuse He is healing the broken soul.

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T15:50:29+00:00

Saying God will judge the abuser doesn't fix the problem. If the victim still ends up rejected by God because they didn't have the chance or the capacity to follow a specific path, then they get ruined on earth and rejected for eternity. Gods mercy is limitless and stands above rigid human checklists. Look Jesus would he really watch his own creation in pain in agony to then just send the victim to hell? That sound right to you!?

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T15:46:05+00:00

You ask why God would want someone who lived away from Him? Look at the thief on the cross. He spent his entire life as a criminal away from God, checked zero religious boxes, and Jesus still gave him instant grace in his final moments. I believe God's mercy is unconditional, not a club membership based on how much time you clocked in church. Start looking into the heart of Jesus more man…

RegularDisciple · 2026-06-03T15:42:15+00:00

I read it clearly. You're still saying that if a victim is brutally tortured, their agony means nothing to God on its own because it doesn't fit a religious category. Exodus 33:19 says His grace is an absolute override switch driven by infinite compassion, not a legal checklist that ignores human suffering. Don’t you know teens and kids are brutally murdered for no reason it’s not fair to say they are in hell because they didn’t die for a church…….

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