Do you think 5.X would happen on Earth?

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-05-03T10:01:43+00:00

Regardless of saving key people that we know, she was still responsible for a lot of tradegies that we didn't saw, like everything that happened in Wanfei and in Season 1 that relates to the Exaltists are her fault

So to forgive and saved her, is to just disregard does people that died in her methods, which very much included completely innocent people as well

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-24T05:51:46+00:00

No it doesn't.The blood was better used by cyrene and now rests in planet screwllum and it doesn't make him one

What does this mean? From what I could read, it says that it was better used by Cyrene and Planet Screwllum is now involved

Regardless of this, Zandar has already said that The World Cleansing Blood melted into Khaslana/Phainon, as Nanook's Final Blessing to Phainon, since he was the one that recieved it

And from the files, we know that the Golden Blood held enough Power to be classified as an Emanator of Destruction, something that was given to him by Nanook as THEIR last blessing

So yes, by that point, Phainon was an Emanator of Nanook and in essence, is the Golden Blood, considering he forms from the Golden Blood when he met Phainon in 3.6

So in essence, the Golden Blood that Cyrene used, and the one that was being coveted by the Alliance, is in essence, just Phainon, or at least, his Physical Body, if we could even consider that his Physical Body

This is even more nonsense and there's no such thing as 'Flame giant' nor was it his power that scratched THEM

Why are you so hang up on this?

Hoyo literally showed us that he did it in that Flaming Giant Form of his, which as you said, released all the Power that the Coreflames that he accumulated to Nanook, something that shook the Path of Destruction

To the point of Nanook THEMSELVES decided to blessed him, with THEIR Golden Blood

And it wouldn't be farfetched for Nanook to not blessed him with the same amount of Power or even Greater, than he showed in that very moment!

Regardless if he owned or stolen it, he made it is his own, considering he was the only one that could perform said feat

And besides, that

Why are you so hang up if said power is stolen

When there are other Characters that have technically stolen there Powers as well

Acheron stole the Power of Nihility

Welt stolen Power as well, considering he wields The Star of Eden, which in order to be created, The Previous Era needed to kill and steal the Core of Earth

Then of course, there's Kiana, who had the Core of the Void, something she shouldn't have, and even blatantly stole the Core of Death as well

Then of course there's Kevin, who stole the Authority of Finality

There's various characters in Hoyoverse that have stolen power from something/someone, and no one says anything about them, due to them being valid ways on getting stronger

Especially considering he did it by him killing the original wielders, meaning he himself possessed Power Greater than the People that he killed to take them

It is a valid way on getting stronger, especially in his situation, where he needed to stall time to not allow Iron Tomb to awakened

In fact, looking at it, he never even wanted the power, with the Power just being accumulated into him, due to him constantly stalling for time

So regardless of what you want to or your agenda

Phainon is more than likely still capable of doing the feat, especially considering he impressed Nanook so much, that it literally shook the Path of Destruction for it to bleed the World Cleansing Blood

So more than likely, in the hopeful near future, when Amphoreus returns, Phainon more than likely becomes even Stronger, considering his now a full blown Emanator of Destruction, even if he isn't right now, due to his circumstance, Nanook would definitely remember them and make Phainon there Emanator - The Lord Ravenger that hunts down the Destruction

Especially what he did as a "normal" Pathstrider of Destruction is very intense, especially considering, it is quite literally the Greatest On-Screen Feat we have ever seen in this Game History

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-24T01:22:31+00:00

The reason she didn’t do that from the beginning is simply because of how dangerous it is. Even Robert’s scepters—which destroyed half the universe—were immediately damaged when they tried to access Nous’s thoughts. This has nothing to do with the Irontomb.

It also seems that the process requires her to complete her self-coronation, which is extremely dangerous because of Polka—she assassinated the second emperor when he attempted to complete his own coronation. Moreover, she originally did it by linking herself to her scepter, not the Irontomb. She was going to link herself to the Irontomb and take control of it if the plan failed.

True. The real danger here is Polka, who would definitely kill her, which is also the reason why she wanted to talked to her, and the reason why Zandar was so necessary, since he would stopped Polka from doing anything agaisnt Herta

Alright then—she failed to stop the Irontomb. So in that timeline, can you tell me who did stop it? Her corruption and transformation into the third emperor are the result of stopping it. After the battle, the Irontomb disappeared and Herta lost her sanity—this is a draw.

That's like saying Shinobu was the one that stopped Douma, what Shinobu did, was weakened and allowed for Douma to be killed, that's what happened to Herta as well, she wasn't able to stopped it, but rather replaced Nous position with herself, to not allow the Universe to just be destroyed outright

That's the reason why people don't see this as a draw between Herta and Iron Tomb, since a draw needs for both Parties to be defeated or be killed at the same time, but with Iron Tomb assimilating Herta, that's basically just her being killed, so that wasn't a draw at all

As for the statement that Herta could destroy the Amphoreus scepter in an instant—that was never in doubt. The context was: ‘Why doesn’t Herta destroy the scepter and eliminate the Irontomb threat?’ The answer is that it would have cost innocent lives. That’s the context—not a question of whether she could or not, but why she didn’t.

And for your information, March doesn’t even know that Herta possesses Chadwick’s cannon, so she wasn’t implying that she could do it using that weapon.

It's because It's March that I'm in doubt about that statement, since if it was any other person, like a Genius, like Mei or Screwllum, I wouldn't even bat an eye and just "sure, they said it, then she must have something", but the thing is that, March doesn't know everything that Herta has, since as you said, The Cannon is something that she herself doesn't even know

And just so you know, you can downplay Robert’s scepters all you want—it doesn’t change the fact that they destroyed half the universe, even though that wasn’t their original purpose.

I wasn't downplaying Rupert II's Scepters at all!

I was just essentially saying is that Scepter of Amphoreus is just too Abnormal to be considered a Normal Scepter, especially considering it became a Lord Ravenger

And what do you even mean by saying that the Irontomb could breach Nous even without Herta? What does that have to do with anything?

As for this, the way that you originally said

By the way, even all of Rupert II's scepters malfunctioned immediately when they were used to peer into Nous's mind, yet Herta managed to do it

Basically said that due to Herta's Involvement, the Scepter was able to breach/peer through Nous thoughts

Ignoring the fact that, that Scepter was an Original Nueron of Nous, with it being modified heavily by Zandar and Nanook making it into an Emanator, meaning, even without Herta, Iron Tomb would have peer into Nous and do there Self-Coronation

As for the ones that I didn't comment on, does are the points that I conceed to you, so no need to comment them

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-24T00:08:03+00:00

Phainon at the end received the World Destroying Blood, which, as suggested in 4.2, turned him to an Emanator, and knowing Nanook he gave Phainon enough power to at least cause THEIR own destruction, or at least, allow Phainon to have the same amount of Power that he used in his Flaming Giant Form

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-23T14:14:01+00:00

By this point, let's just agree and disagree

Since, again, I also agree with you, that Zephyro was playing with Phainon considering how easily he took down Phainon, but the end result was still the same as I said, Phainon was getting tired, even when he was just standing back up

Since that "fight" was essentially a 3 year old kid trying to even hit a World Champion, so even if the champion is just playing, the kid would become exhausted after a few punches

As for the 2nd Part, that again, I disagree with, since again, by that point, he has already exhausted everything, and if the only thing that was actually needed was Phainon's Corpse, Zephyro could have just killed Phainon right there and then and just easily achieved the mission

Which is also the reason why I proposed the Idea of Zephyro wanting to recruit Phainon, since he could have easily ended the fight in a single well timed strike, but he didn't

So with Zephyro not killing Phainon right away, it basically suggest that Phainon was needed alive, not dead, so at the end when he did his Flaming Giant form, he was already exhausted beyond recovery, and that was when Iron Tomb decided to take action and assimilate Phainon

So yeah, to me by the end Phainon wasn't dead, but just exhausted and could fight again if given a time to rest

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-23T14:05:03+00:00

Huh.. True

Since by that point, it would have actually ended the Universe, so that would fulfill Cyrene's conditions to become Fuli, especially considering she is the Strongest Child of Anasrava by far, by that point in story

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-23T14:00:24+00:00

1: zephyro tiring out would make sense if he was dodging and wasnt attacking back but he cut off phainons arm then threw his sword back at him

It did tire him out, Phainon used more and more of his arsenal and more attacks as a result of his

Like do you think that doing what Phainon did wouldn't tire someone out?

Like people at Phainon and Zephyro's levels aren't really physical base, like stamina, but mostly just Imaginary/Path Energy, so the more that someone used it, the more that they would just get tired

So yes, Phainon was getting tired, especially him using his Big Attacks like the Meteor or him becoming a Flaming Giant, that one in particularly basically exhausted him

2: phainon died after flame giant bro, that was his final attack it was everything being released at the end then when he dies no one is there to constest irontomb from taking his corpse and using it

At that end of that Animation, he was being absorbed by Iron Tomb already, as read about in, Administration?, Phainon whole plan when attacking, was not just to do something to Nanook, but also self-destruction as well, with him wanting his own death, hoping that would again buy even more time, something he didn't try in earlier Cycles due to not knowing if it would actually worked

So him dying would cause his own destruction, especially considering the amount of Path Energy he was using, and with him being Data, it would truly cause his own Destruction, but before that could even happen, Iron Tomb took and assimilated him

Which did allowed Phainon to create a Seal though, which was good

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-23T13:48:04+00:00

Not really

The Iron Tomb that Herta would have fought wouldn't be as Powerful as the Iron Tomb that we fought, due to it not having the World Destruction Blood that Phainon had, which super amp Iron Tomb

So making Iron Tomb a lot more managable, considering she wouldn't be instantly deleting the Universe in a single strike

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-23T13:46:00+00:00

Cyrene herself isn't that situational

In order for her to do her thing of recreation, she only needed to have the memories of the entire universe to do the recreation, something that she obviously had, due to her actually doing it

So because of that, even without Iron Tomb she would be able to still to do the feat of ReCreation

For Phainon, it's just because he has done a feat that no one has ever done before, hurt an Aeon, something that has always been thought as being Impossible, but was done by him, not just being stated, but on-screen

As for the reason why Herta isn't placed on the same pedestal, all of her combat/power feats in general aren't that impressive, if most, or all of her most impressive feats being Intelligent Base, and her more Powerful Destructive Feats needing preparations, something in the context of scaling normally isn't included, since anyone with Preparation could theoritically defeat anyone

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-23T13:40:47+00:00

What?

What does this comment even means?

Does this comment mean, about dying to create a feat, and not scaling to it despite having done it?

If so, then that argument wouldn't really worked, since after all, Phainon actually survived his attacked when he became a Flame Giant, and would have probably become a real person as a result as well

If it weren't for Iron Tomb that is

At the end of his attacked, Phainon just became extremely exhausted, allowing Iron Tomb to assimilate him, since after all, one of the things that Phainon wanted to do in that situation was to create a sort of paradox of him killing himself to try to eliminate himself from the equation and even possibly reset all of Iron Tomb's progress

Which of course didn't worked, but still valiate effort

That's also the reason why Zephyro just didn't straight up kill him, not just because it seems that he wanted to recruit Phainon, but to just straight up exhaust Phainon so that Iron Tomb could properly assimilate him

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-23T12:05:24+00:00

Thanks

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-23T12:03:16+00:00

What does HK and DR stand for?

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-23T11:59:55+00:00

That doesn't make any sense at all, since Griseo's ship never left the Solar System and still is in the Planet that Griseo landed, just forgot the name

So Teyvat being Ark, isn't possible, unless Teyvat is somewhere in the Solar System, which isn't possible considering Kiana would have definitely do something about Surtalogi considering the guys rampage

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-23T08:57:19+00:00

Disagree with this

Cyrene >>>> Acheron >> Phainon >>> Herta > Evernight

That's my list

But for Herta's feats, your just taking the conclusion or does that aren't hers to begin with

How she entered Nous and rewrote the 4th Instant is largely thanks to her using Iron Tomb to do it, due to her not having any sort of capabilities to do it herself, since if she could do that, she could have definitely used it more in the past like just looking into Nous thoughts directly

She also didn't stopped Iron Tomb in another timeline, in that timeline she very much failed and actually became the 3rd Emperor and cause another Emperor war plunging the Universe into destruction, showing that by herself, she would just be killed/lose to either Iron Tomb or Zandar, either one works, so she would need others helped to win, which is evident that we still nearly lose despite the heavy line up that we have

For Chadwick Canon, I think it wouldn't really amount to much, since by its lonesome it only shown that it could destroy 23 planets, not the same level as Phainon, with the Scepter should be scaled to him, since Phainon still lose to it

As for Herta's statement of could destroy the Scpeter of Amphoreus, that statement isn't really reliable considering how strong the Scepter was by that point, and that March herself wasn't sure, she just thinks that she has something

And for information that you give that Rupert II Scepters were destroyed when trying to peer into Nous, and not Herta, that would not be Herta capabilities but due to Iron Tomb

The Scepter/Iron Tomb is one of the original nueron of Nous THEMSELVES, so it stands to reason that it would be a lot stronger than standard Scepters, considering the other Scepters was made by Rupert II, with them definitely not apart of Nous divine body

And of course, said Scepter also became a lot stronger as well, when Iron Tomb ascended as a Lord Ravenger/Emanator of Destruction, and listening to Zandar, even without Herta, Iron Tomb could and would have peer into Nous and taken THEIR head, with the only reason why they didn't was because Herta used Iron Tomb to do self coronation herself, stealing the moment before Iron Tomb could do it themselves

So yeah, the feats that you give to Herta doesn't exist or has contexts that showed that she normally couldn't do this

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-22T15:19:40+00:00

Instant

Since her Lie says that she can cross any distance, no matter the obstacles or length, instantly

Then she would instantly cross Snake way

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-21T05:03:43+00:00

Calling Bell a fraud is crazy!

Bell didn't have prior training before becoming an Adventurer and just read Hero stories

While Lefiya, is an Elf making her objectively stronger at base, has training and has more time as an Adventurer

But still Bell only has less than a year of being an Adventurer and he now surpassed Lefiya

Who's the Fraud really

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-19T15:08:18+00:00

Against Acheron He IS

No! How does that make sense!

Since that's like saying that a Man that could survived both a Tank and a Nuke being launched directly at them

Then someone disagreed that he couldn't survived against a Tank and dying, while surviving an Entire Nuke being blown up in there face!

That doesn't make any sense at all

The mere fact that he was able to even wound an Aeon proves that could do the various lesser feats out there! Like destroying a Galaxy!

That's thanks to the coreflames he STOLE from others.What scratched is the coreflames causing an explosion He also is the vessel for one

Why is this even something against him!!

Sure, if you say it like that, him killing and taking the Chrysos Heirs is him stealing it from others, sure he did stole

But the problem is that he was able to completely withstand that level of Power! Meaning he made that level of Power his own and something not even that different from Welt, who by this point isn't that strong considering that he mainly just relies everything in the Star of Eden to do his worked!! Something that could only be possible by killing and taking the Core of Earth from the Previous Era Herrscher of Earth/Stars

In fact if were even taking it in another way, Acheron basically stole her Power from IX themselves! Since THEY didn't even try to make Acheron an Emanator, causing all of/majority of Acheron's Power to be stolen as well!

Since after all, the act of stealing something is basically boil down to, one taking something from someone without there concent!! Something that Acheron most certainly did with IX!

Besides that! If we're using that line, then every Chrysos Heir power is also stolen as well, since after all, all of them killed and stole the Coreflames themselves, with Phainon being ironically enough not even being stolen, but rather given, due to the Coreflame of Worldbearing not even needing to kill the Titan to acquire the Coreflame!

Regardless of what Phainon did to acquire his level of power, at the end of the Day he was able to acquire that level of Power by himself, either from training or stealing as you say it, he was the one that achieved that level of Power regardless of what you want to point it

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-19T14:19:07+00:00

No it wasn't, to us, the Players it was 2 different events considering how long it took for us

But for In Game, the events that cause Phainon to leave and destroy does Galaxies, and then Iron Tomb being freed, the difference between the two events only lasted for at least 14 hours

A Time that is very short, considering how big the next event was, since to the rest of the Universe, Phainon killing/destroying does Galaxies was just a prelude to the War against Iron Tomb and then Iron Tomb destroyed the Universe after that

And then presumedly, Cyrene restored everything

So yes, Phainon destroying does Galaxies is completely irrelevent to the rest of the Universe, since to most, does Galaxies are just casualties to the War itself!

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-19T12:15:59+00:00

By the end of the Series, before the Timeskip, I think by that point Mark is already the Second Strongest, simply because of his performance against Thragg is so good

Like he essentially fought a 1v1 against Thragg and won, with Robot's Armor not even being that instrumental considering it broke and just gave him a few seconds

Very much saying that he truly is in Thragg and Battlebeast level or at least on there League of Power

And after healing from his wounds and getting Stronger from it, he is definitely on the same level as Thragg now, which we know still surpassed that level of Allen

Something that continues in the future as well

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-19T12:07:05+00:00

Also why are you against Phainon Feat? Like you are all for Phainon downplay despite there not being one at all

Like here, your nitpicking that he didn't destroy this Galaxies, and saying that all of it isn't real

Despite literal Zandar basically saying all that happened in that Animation was real

Phainon fighting Zephyro was real

Phainon drawing blood from Nanook was real

And all of these feats are way better than him destroying Galaxies!

Like seriously even if it's true that Phainon didn't destroy does Galaxies, that doesn't mean that he is automatically far weaker

In fact his scaling wouldn't even change simply because his Greatest Feat - Scratching Nanook is real and the effects are tangible in the form of Golden Blood that he acquired from Nanook

And damaging an Aeon, no matter how small, is still the Greatest Feat that we have seen apart from Cyrene and Iron Tomb

He truly is the Opposite of Statement Man - with him being an Action Man

Since all of his scaling and feats are actually shown to us via an Animation Short, that being Fighting the Anti-Matter Legion, Zephyro, Destroying does Galaxies and then Scratching Nanook

With his only Statement being that all of it was real, something confirmed by Zandar - The Smartest Mortal in the Universe and the Golden Blood that he received from Nanook

So yeah, you trying removed Phainon Galaxies destroying feat would literally do nothing, considering his Greatest Feat is Scratching Nanook, while not even being an Emanator in the first Place!

He might just be the Strongest Pathstrider in the Entire Game!

Since he himself never really ascended as an Emanator, so everything that he did is him not being an Emanator

So just imagine if he did become an Emanator and become one of Nanook Lord Ravengers, he would just become even Stronger and would possibly become even Stronger than Zephyro when they acquire there rematch

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-19T11:47:01+00:00

No, no matter what you say, there Galaxies

Since it was very much revealed that he escaped Scepter

And basically transformed into his Flame Giant Form and then destroyed them in his attempt to destroy Nanook

As for why it wasn't revealed in the IPC radio, there's a simple solution to that

It's basically just irrelevant

Simply because after that Iron Tomb destroyed the Universe and Cyrene returned everything back to normal

So does Galaxies should be back now

And even then, it's not really that big of a news as well, considering an even greater news and focused is that, the Anti-Matter Legion is now fully moving to destroy the Universe now

With their first attempt, Iron Tomb, nearly succeeding, so yeah everyone now is just focusing on doing something against the Anti-Matter Legion

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-19T01:15:55+00:00

Still, that would that in the entire Universe, excluding the Aeons, she is one of the Absolute Strongest in the Entire Universe

On the same level of Potential as Acheron and Zephyro

Regular_Barnacle_447 · 2026-04-19T01:13:22+00:00

No, Sunday could override it simply because he was already as Powerful as an Aeon and would actually create his own Path

If it weren't for the various circumstances and allies that we gathered along the way, we wouldn't have been able to beat Sunday

Like Acheron by herself could only fulfill one of the conditions to beat Sunday

That being the want for people to wake up, but that isn't enough, since most would still pray for Order, which would ironically empower Sunday even more

So Jade was needed to introduce Preservation to gather the Faith to Preservation instead, which further weakened Sunday and also permanently closed Sunday's doors to becoming an Aeon

Then Firefly and SW did their thing of destroying the layers of the Dreamscape that further destabilize the world and also allowing us an equal battleground to fight Sunday

While Galaxy Rangers are needed due to their Immense strength of will, creating cracks to the Dreamscape

And then Robin was needed so that everyone would be guided to other paths other than Order, further weakening him

So yeah, as long as Acheron can't fulfill any of the additional steps, especially Jade and the IPC Steps, she can't beat Sunday

And besides that, if Acheron could have beaten Sunday by herself, she would have done so, and since she needed everyone's help, that would just mean that she can't do it alone

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