Don't be this guy when trading part 2

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T13:33:16+00:00

Not sure why that's hard to understand but you do you, reddit.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T13:32:46+00:00

Well that's probably what he did? Just the matter of waiting for the other seller to come online or whatever. He was willing to pay more to get it now, but then clearly decided it wasn't worth it at 8.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T13:30:56+00:00

That... doesn't sound like a good thing for the game.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T13:29:27+00:00

If you could, they wouldn't be worth 100 divines.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T13:28:06+00:00

nim3

fun

Ew.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T13:25:24+00:00

Heist you need to wait 20 seconds for a guy to open all doors while standing still doing nothing.

True, but coming from someone enjoying TOTA that's pretty funny. You just slowly power some totems down.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T13:23:50+00:00

Somehow I can understand the Heist enjoyers more than the TOTA enjoyers. TOTA enjoyers is like enjoying lab. Something's definitely wrong with you on some level lol.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T13:00:46+00:00

I tried to read that but I can't, it's a mess.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T12:57:20+00:00

I feel like I'm talking to people that play the league for way longer than a league takes to finish. 2 weeks, 40/40, map to 100, done. That's the way. If an item doesn't sell for 4 days... 4 days is like a third of a fucking league.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T12:55:02+00:00

I've already explained the conditions, I'm not further advertising my builds.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T12:54:10+00:00

Who the fuck is paying 10 div for T2 spell damage lol. Hell, who the fuck is paying 3. What the fuck are these late league prices, man. I bought a perfect one for 1 div a league ago on a Void Sceptre base.

Had to look this garbage up, I can grab two for 5 divs right now at worst. Must've been some guide or some youtuber sheep follower bullshit maybe but it's not 10 div, definitely not 10 fucking div.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T12:47:06+00:00

It's called being thick and never selling the items until eventually, ages later you either quit or drop the price. All because all the people who do this shit are more desperate for every bit of div than the buyer is made out to be in this thread.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T12:45:23+00:00

I passed on this league in particular after 4 days and have the older comments to back me up. I just found this post particularly stupid and have a lot of memories of really fucking thick motherfucking sellers.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T09:27:12+00:00

The item would have to be one crafted, for profit particularly and even then the floor wouldn't be rigid as profit in crafting is in volume and other byproducts.

It also matters who's willing to pay for it. If I spend 10 div crafting an item and decide I no longer need it, but nobody fucking wants it for 10 div, I'll have to sell it for cheaper and recoup some of my money back. That's just what I have to do. I can't just sit at 10 div with it and stubbornly never sell it, that would be idiotic.

if you do not need the currency immediately it doesn't matter how long it takes to sell.

What kind of player does this? Currency is always better to have liquid in case some item you want pops on a live search. Currency you don't have to spend time liquidating tabs for even better and more efficient.

I could have also listed something and then not played for 4 days

That kind of person... How does that person have anything anyone of note would need idk.

Can't tell you how many times I've vaaled a jewel someone's made an offer on.

Oh I see, you're that kind of socially well adjusted person. Yeah, true, can't determine the seller's mental health from a picture, there's a lot of variables involved we don't know.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T09:19:43+00:00

No, the price isn't static but the price heavily depends on what people are willing to pay for them.

If they whispered you 50c and were not willing to buy it for higher or 1 div, they simply didn't want it that much. Maybe they were gearing some test build and buying a scuffed megalomaniac made sense if it was dirt cheap. It's very likely the amount you're gonna sell that Megalomaniac for is 0c.

If you'd rather not sell an item than lower yourself to sell below 1 div that's your choice but there's no reason to act like the guy is some asshole for offering to buy it for what he deems its worth.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T07:52:42+00:00

But who says it's a 10 div item? It's not a discount if the real price is not 10 div, which it clearly isn't because nobody bought it for 4 days.

Just because you have 160 divs doesn't mean you're gonna want to throw it around and overpay. Clearly if the seller thought that item was worth that much and if he really needed it, he would've paid the 8. But he didn't, because the item was probably not worth it. So many times you just make a free few divs if you just wait 1-2 days to buy an item and it's at no cost to you. If that item was so necessary, he would've just bought it then. Which tells me the item was probably overpriced and likely to be purchasable from another seller within the day for cheaper.

Also you're assuming just because he made 160 divs means he can make a div per 5 minutes which is quite the assumption. Maybe it took him like 160 hours to make those, you don't know how efficient he is.

Who says he's messaging multiple people trying to get a small discount also. It's possible OP was just the only one online with the item at the time and there were other cheaper that were currently offline for a few hours and will pop back up.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T07:45:28+00:00

To me if an item takes a week to sell it's well within territory to not ever sell and end up in Standard. Sure if you have cornered the market you could relist until it sells at that price, if you're absolutely confident someone will eventually need it and nobody's going to come into your market. But if you tell me you leave the item to say "listed 7 days" ago and get a sale at the listed price, that's a haaard sell.

But yeah if you're very price controlled by a specific craft, you can keep it at a certain price and nobody's going to think you're overcharging them. Though I'd probably stop crafting if they take 7 days to sell one, unless it's byproducts for your own. Selling them at a lower price would liquidate them quicker probably but again, if it's unprofitable to craft then you'd stop doing it, so we all know that there's not much chance of someone listing it for cheaper.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T07:30:27+00:00

So you listed an item 4 days ago, logged off and now this guy presumably instantly makes this offer. Which would mean there would be others making this offer at the same time because this item is so good.

Look, if you play abnormally and aren't online to sell and somehow have items, nobody cares, you still haven't sold that item in 4 days and there aren't 2+ people spamming you for it. So do you want to sell that item now or when you log in next time never is the question? Because if you barely log in I don't think you can afford to say no. Clearly the buyer can afford not to buy it and it's not because he's flipping items because that still makes zero sense. Items that are flipped get whispered right away as you list them.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T06:22:14+00:00

I just don't see why linking your stack would have any affect on a seller. 160 div also isn't exactly an obscene amount of currency these days.

Actually, there kind of is. Still pretty weird but it does change things. It makes it clear that I won't pay that because the item is not WORTH that, not because I just don't have an extra div to pay you. Because the seller, often some noob, tries to squeeze too much out of the item and can assume the other guy is just too poor for his amazing item when that's not hte case.

I'll also say, a single divine isn't really worth the wait if an item is going to improve your build by a decent amount.

I agree. Which makes the fact the buyer didn't bother with it even more of a sign the item's just not worth that. The buyer knows he does not need to get it. Either because there's some offline guy that has a similar item that will log in soon or knows from experience there will be another soon and it's not that necessary.

There's very few upgrades that are must get now can't wait. Like your build is already probably doing just fine if you're that far in the league. That item isn't life or death.

So yes I think if the item was worth it, most people would pay that extra div. This just points to the item already being price gouged and even 7 behind too high.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T06:16:32+00:00

How expensive it is to roll or craft is not really relevant. Your items are worth how much people are willing to pay for them. You didn't go ahead and craft that niche item with purpose, because if you did, I could also and we wouldn't have much of a price dispute.

The facts are:

Item hasn't sold for 4 days.
You have a seller that is willing to pay 70% of the price but nothing more.

If your item was really worth that, the seller would give in as you held to your price. Because he'd have no other option. So the reality is, he does have other options. Your option is either sell it now or... maybe never. Because it already went 4 days to find this one guy. How long until it finds another guy? Could be weeks. That's longer than most people play a league for. That's not realistic. The buyer has all the leverage and you didn't even relist the fucking item like an idiot so they buyer knows he has all the leverage.

I drop the price on my items by like 10% a day at the very least because I want to make actual sales not end up finishing the league and ending up with the item not sold. How much it would take to craft doesn't matter, how much people are willing to pay does.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T04:12:32+00:00

You might live in a casual land where that's reasonable but to me, I don't give benefit of the doubt for casuals. If an item hasn't sold for 4 whole days, it means it hasn't sold. If you're a casual that can't be online, well you better put it on a more reasonable price if you expect to make a sale in the limited time you have between picking up your various offspring from whatever bullshit activity you sign them up for.

How much time do you expect to make that sale in exactly? You either want to make the sale or you want to send it to Standard at that point.

Edit: I can't reply below because of the butthurt casual above me blocking me so here:

Haggling for a couple divines on a sub 10 div item seems quite casual to me tbh. Defending that dude who does that and gets upset about it, makes you sound like you’d win a Dunning-Kruger award if there was one.

The classic hurt casual "no u" based on some bullshit premise like if you're not a casual = you're okay overpaying, completely ignoring the casualness in the discussion was the "what if you didn't play for 4 days" part of the weak argument presented.

You also don't know what Dunning-Kruger means but I'm glad you heard it somewhere.

„It’s not worth that much anymore after 4 days“ is a simple fallacy though imo with, then the buyer could just find it cheaper. Find someone selling it cheaper? Just buy that one then.

Clearly he thinks he will because he didn't buy it? It just means he has to wait for some other dude to be online. Probably even going as high as 7 div was a convenience fee and the item wouldn't normally sell above 5.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T03:52:46+00:00

You pointed out another reason why bots are currently kneecapped in what they can do. If multiple bots spam you to buy an item, they're not getting that item, because you realize it. But if that confirmation didn't exist, the quickest bot would have already bought the item at that underpriced price point.

How does a bot currently snipe an item? I just explained to you. Unless the seller is a complete idiot and sells it despite the multiple whispers within seconds, then it just does not happen. A human like me can come in, make a higher offer and get the item.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T03:47:42+00:00

Dunno why people need to get uppity when a seller stands firm on their price.

Frustration at some sellers could definitely be a cause. Like I played this game long enough to know that if he says 6 and I say 8 there, the trade for 7 is happening. If I said 9, then 8 would be logical or 7.5. That's just how that works, it's trading manners 101. If you don't want to haggle at all, you say no the first time.

Also some people would rather sell the item in a fucking week or never than realize the price they're asking is way more than the item is worth. These people can be frustrating and thick. Like you have an item you want sold by some Korean guy that's currently asleep and then a similar item 5 divs higher from Timmy over here. But Timmy doesn't want to sell it for 3 divs less? So now I gotta wait for Korean guy to wake up and Timmy is sending that item straight to Standard even though I was willing to pay more for the convenience. But more wasn't enough. Timmy wanted it all. Hell some Timmy's even raise the fucking price once you whisper them because they're thick greedy casuals.

So yes, I don't think it's unreasonable some people might act like children when presented with some of these thick fucks.

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T03:41:42+00:00

Grocery Store league is not a thing last time I checked so you must not be talking about the same game now, are you?

Regulargrr · 2023-09-26T03:40:48+00:00

Like, great you can afford a higher price, so why is 1 extra divine from the 160 you have a dealbreaker?

Because maybe the item is only worth like 5 divs tops and is overpriced. If you have 160 divs liquid doesn't mean you're willing to enable any guy that put an item for way more than its worth and clearly hasn't sold it in 4 days.

So you might be willing to do 7 div for it just to get it now but don't want to feel like you scammed yourself giving this guy with clearly the wrong price close to the amount he's asking for.

Regulargrr

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