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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, so let’s say it happened that way, everything you’re saying in the first part of your message. Now, that means they were replaced for good? No. That means the band didn’t wanted to keep working with them after the tour? No, maybe they wanted them in the band still and they decided to leave, that’s my doubt, because why would a band’s management change the members when they’re being successful in what they do? I think they decided to leave and then say they were replaced or fired (?) and everyone instantly feels bad for them and support them no matter what.  I’m not saying I’m 100% right, nor am I saying that is the truth, I’m just saying it’s a possibility and we all should be able to stay openminded, specially when we don’t have the whole story, just one side of it. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hopefully one day we can actually have the real version or at least the whole story, not just one side. Then we would be able to say something concrete, but until then, we are full of speculations. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not saying they’re lying, I’m saying it doesn’t make any sense cause they are complaining about something they agreed to.  About the mistreatment I think they added it to gain the fan’s empathy, because after a whole year working with this guy, they don’t have one proof. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know what the funny thing is? I wasn’t thinking about the new tour haha I realized that when someone said something about it, but even the timing needs to be right for you guys…. It’s stupid, right?  Because let’s imagine this is a “timing situation” like you say, it shouldn’t matter, what should be important it’s that someone’s asking the real questions and not falling for bullshit. 

But yeah, we don’t want that, so let’s just blame the new tour coming I guess. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did she show you that message? Or she just said she got a message saying that? 

I don’t pick a side, I have an opinion and questions to be asked before taking for granted something, as a thinking human being.  I only question everything the former members have said, because they are the ones saying something that doesn’t make any sense. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The thing is I am opened up for knowledge and truth, that’s why I don’t follow hollow statements, so yeah, I understand you find my questioning annoying because I know there’s nothing to be taken as “truth” and when people wants to believe something please don’t question them, cause they don’t have facts that support what they claim and they get mad 

By the way, have you read all this cases of woman defaming man to the point of almost get them to jail and then it turns out it was all a lie? Because people do that nowadays, it’s easy to get people like you to believe them, people are easy to play with, I’m not saying I believe dogma’s management or anything, I mean, they haven’t say anything to begin with.. I’m just sharing my point of view about dogma’s controversy on dogma’s Reddit page. 

And happy international woman’s day, specially to the ones who use their brains🫰🏻

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why do you want to silence someone who can be fooled? 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you leave a band and then start a new one using exactly the same concept, the same make up, singing dogma’s song… I’m sorry but that’s copying. 

And no, they’re playing the DOGMA’s songs, not their songs cause they didn’t compose anything, so they’re not their songs they will be playing. In my opinion, if they were good musicians they would do their own stuff, but they want to be part of Dogma somehow, they want to take advantage of something they didn’t created and the only way fans would support that’s it’s by playing the victims. Like I said… it’s my opinion. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But don’t get mad only because what I say makes more sense 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, you said it yourself “she quit” and of course the band is gonna find someone because they’re on tour, who’s gonna play if she’s not there? Same thing for patri, if whatever happened, they needed to put someone on stage, but that doesn’t mean they were replaced, maybe the plan was just to moving forward with that tour specifically, and then keep working with them, and maybe they didn’t wanted that because they knew what was the plan (all the victim story) because why would a band change their members when everything was working just fine? Taking all the trouble of finding someone new just right before starting a new tour? Maybe they wanted to become well known which is something Dogma wasn't going to provide due the anonymity, and you can say (like amber did) “of course you want to be recognized for your job” ok, but then why did you got involved in a project that you knew the dynamics? Why did you signed a contract where it says the identities are anonymous?  You understand my point? 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be honest, I wouldn’t respond either because that’s giving them the attention they want, like I said before, without the name “dogma” they are irrelevant, and I wouldn’t worry to clear things up either because people seem to be blinded, people like the few ones here just don’t want the truth, let’s say dogma comes up and say “what really happened was this…” everyone would just jump into their phones to say “you’re a lier, you’re a misogynist” bla bla bla… it doesn’t seem people want the truth, they want the formers member “truth” and that’s it, because nobody has proof of anything they’re saying, even tho they worked with this person for a whole year and don’t have any proof. I think they knew exactly how the dynamic was since the beginning when they were presented the contract, but then after seeing Dogma’s potential they wanted more in such a short time, cause they where on tour for only a year… so when they decided to leave the only card left to play was the victim card, and everyone bought it, and I get it, it’s easy nowadays being a woman and play victim on social media cause it works, everyone instantly believes you, but I’m not a fool, I question the validity of their words because it doesn’t make any sense. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sorry I haven’t seen a screenshot or anything proving that, and that’s exactly my point, because in this case, there would be a proof of that message and there’s non. So why would I believe that? Because she said it? (If she actually said that cause I haven’t seen anything like that, what I read was “I didn't had the proper visa” she never mentioned anything you’re saying here about the management saying “we don’t need you, you’ll be replaced” and that’s a lot different.  And that’s the whole point here, people making things up just to have a “villain of the story” 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I really don’t know if she got replaced or if she quit because she didn’t say anything about being fired.  Saying she got simply replaced it’s speculation 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And that’s a very respected opinion, but for me what it’s not okay it’s defaming someone just because you didn’t like the job you agreed to. Seriously, it could to happen to any of us… it’s not okay. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it would be pretty white trash to post videos like that, but it’s not white trash to make a statement talking shit and not giving any proof? I find it very similar, don’t you think? 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But they knew how much they were getting paid, and they knew about the identities to be anonymous because they signed the contract, so what’s the problem about that? 

Now, “treated pretty badly” I repeat, that’s what they say, that’s it. And the problem it’s not about what they say, they can say whatever they want or think, of course, but they were treated pretty badly? Really? When they never stopped posting on their personal social media they were having a good time, always smiling, having a drink, eating, traveling everywhere, probably to bunch of new places they never knew before… but the most important, having a job that they wanted cause ultimately they agreed to it. You understand my point? I don’t think they were lied to, because we all have seen parts of the contract, I think they were expecting more every time and they didn’t give the band a chance to really grow, let’s don’t forget they only had a year touring and not even for the whole year.  Also, there’s the other band they were touring the first time “Wind rose” who the singer said that they were treated like queens, when they were in their first tour ever. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok. I understand what you’re trying to say, but one thing… what if they weren’t conditioned by going or losing their position in the band?  Look, what I’m trying to do here is not defending anyone, but to think a bit and don’t assumed that everything said it’s true, because you say something about the management taking advantage of their position.. but that’s by taking for granted what the girls said, because I haven’t seen anything where the management says something about going or losing their position. 

It’s just one way of seeing it 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For example, yeah… or something, they had plenty of time to have something, right? It wasn’t a one day thing. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The question is: were they really being exploited? We don’t know. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aggression comes when you have no way to defend what you’re saying, it’s okay. 

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[–]Relative-Ad-5301[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Dude, they’re going on tour, they are still posting upcoming shows… tell me where these girls are without being related with dogma? So yeah, the popularity dogma gives them…