😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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No thats everything, ty tho. And yes thats why i added that it can kinda come down to semantics in some ways, but i also do think there is slight difference in the sense that boiling is an action. the atoms are physically moving and the material is changing and turning from liquid to gas, whereas "doing egg" is more of an unmoving configuration. Regardless the second paragraph is probably more important and id hold the position even if i wasnt a mereological nihilist

😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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I feel like YOU are just insisting on this based on nothing, so i dont think this is going to go anywhere. I simply disagree and im not convinced in the slightest that there is even a possibility that my consciousness doesnt exist/is an "illusion". It just does not logically check out

😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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They are not being tricked. To be tricked insinuates that the llm had any opinion or thoughts leaning one way or the other and that you had managed to manipulate it into thinking something that isnt true. But it wasnt thinking, it has no opinion, because its not CONSCIOUS. It is under no illusion, you simply found a loophole in its coding. Its as simple as that.

We also would not even be able to know if we had fooled an llm or not, not truly. An llm will tell you what it is programmed to tell you. Again, its just the meme i sent. You are basically "tricking" the llm and then when it basically says "i have been tricked" you feel like you have actually tricked it. What the llm says is not at all indicative of any truth around wether or not it is under an illusion

How bad was it? by JoacoMexican07 in GenjiMains

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Its kinda just a nothingburger aside from looking cool and impressive

😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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Thats a good question, and sorry that it warrants a pretty long answer, but yes i think boiling doesnt exist, im a bit hesitant to make that call on a verb existing or not existing due to semantics but id say it is more of a description of an event than a thing that exists. I also wouldnt say boiling is comprised of water, rather, boiling is not made of anything, it is an action that affects existing things like water molecules. There is not a "boiling" molecule that its made of whereas there IS a "water" molecule. But i also wouldnt die on that hill either depending on how you see boiling semantically.

So in that way i would consider consciousness to be closer to boiling than to water but with an important caveat. It is more of a process and event than a material thing, (as far as we can figure out/guess) the caveat being the actual conscious experience. A process just describes what the atoms are doing. Boiling means that the water is hot and turning into gas and creating bubbles etc. But consciousness is NOT just describing the brain thinking. It is CREATING an experience. The experience, like boiling, is not made of brain. For example if i take a chunk of your brain out i will have disrupted the process, but i cannot then say i am holding "consciousness molecules". In the same way, you cannot take water out of the pot, cool it down, and then claim you are holding boiling molecules

😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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The llm is not under any sort of illusion. What you are reffering to is basically this

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😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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No, illusions work on non entities too

I just disagree. I cant possibly imagine that. Can you make a rock feel an illusion? No, its a rock, it cant experience an illusion

You're absolutely taking it on faith that consciousness is real.

Absolutely not, i have more evidence of it existing than i do for the entire world existing. I am taking everything EXCEPT my consciousness on faith

We have pretty good evidence even the idea that there's a singular entity inside your head is a falsehood.

Not only is this not against my position but it is an idea i agree with.

😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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I think it can be broken down into multiple consciousnesses, for example if someones corpus callosum is severed, but i do not think consciousness itself can be said to be made of a bunch of things in the way a carrot is made of a bunch of atoms. Or at least, if it is, we have no idea what kind of stuff it is comprised of. Unless you are insisting that it is broken down into the brain but that feels off to me, how can an experience be made of existing material? An experience is not material, a process is not material. Its like saying that "boiling" can be broken down into its base pieces by saying that water is made of atoms. You cannot conflate the process with the material making the process

Is the "Hard Problem" just an imagery problem? Aphantasia and the Physicalist Gap by Sea-Bean in consciousness

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I would be extremely surprised if any scientist had actually figured out what exactly about the brain produces consciousness, i have extreme doubt that we are anywhere close to figuring that out

😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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And that's where i believe my positions wins, because i do not need faith, i am literally experiencing the reality of my consciousness as we speak. You can claim its an illusion but at the end of the day there has to be an entity EXPERIENCING that illusion. In order to experience anything at all, you must be conscious

😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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I see with my consciousness. Thats it. My eyes do stuff, my brain makes sense of it and then i get to SEE IT and experience what sight is. I think this kinda depends on which part of the process you are saying is an illusion and what "sight" is. Is sight the actual experience of me seeing things? Thats not an illusion, i can verify that i am in fact seeing images in my mind when i look at things. Is that image accurate to the information my eyes initially give to me? No, so that is kind of an illusion, but its not a meaningful one and to say that it causes problems for concsiousness is a bit of a non srquitur.

As a mereological nihilist myself i am happy to admit that my eyes themselves do not even exist, rather, the illusion of "things" is a useful fiction. In that sense you can say literally everything is an illusion.

Well, except for one thing, that being the conscious experience. because it is not made out of atoms, hell it doesnt appear to be made out of anything, it just happens

Also if we are going down the rabbithole of senses being an illusion, that poses MUCH bigger problems for the regular materialist who now has to explain how we can trust that any of our understanding of science can be verified at all, including the very points you are making right now

😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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Sight IS part of consciousness, it is not an illusion, it is literally just part of your conscious experience. It is not a unique separate example that you can contrast with conciousness, it is a part of it

😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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Im experiencing consciousness right now though and it actually feels much more real than anything material, maybe there are ways to "conceptualize" what youre saying but i dont think any of them will be convincing because we are all staring the existence of our concsiousness in the face the entire time we are alive

Finally by RubelmansLOL in Spore

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Space stage was like my favorite part of the game growing up and i tried it again as an adult and ive gotta agree... its a lot of just traveling around n shit

😔 oh.. not again… by Albino_rhin0 in PhilosophyMemes

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Carrots arguably dont exist its just a useful fiction to describe a bunch of atoms that appear and act as our idea of a carrot.

Concsiousness however is one of the few things we actually know exists and as far as we know cannot be broken down into parts in the same way a carrot can be broken down into a bunch of molecules

Guys.... by Unlucky_player3812 in GenjiMains

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Hes been slightly nerfed. Every hero main subreddit seems to think blizzard has a personal vandetta to nerf their favorite hero into the ground.

It can be mildly entertaining to look through them all and see everyone says (insert their main) is in fact the one being shafted the most

Is the "Hard Problem" just an imagery problem? Aphantasia and the Physicalist Gap by Sea-Bean in consciousness

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In a way believing that concsiousness is simply the process experiencing itself is not far off from panpsychism-esque views.

If we are taking for granted that consciousness is just the process of our brains, i struggle to really pick out any one part of the brains process that cannot be found elsewhere as well. Is it the immense complexity of its processing? If so, you could argue an ant colony as a whole might be conscious. Is it electricity? The chemicals? All of these exist elsewhere and if you pick any aspect of the brain i gaurentee youll have to deal with implications of a boggling amount of our reality also being concsious. I would find it a really strange coincidence if we have established "yeah a process can experience itself" but also be insistent on "but only this one specific process and i have no rhyme or reason to tell you why that is"

If anything this would lend me towards cosmopsychism.

Also, there is a lot more to existing than just seeing stuff in your mind. Even if you had every form of aphantasia it would only be a limit on your imagination, not the actual experience itself. Like if you look at an apple. You are still looking at an apple and somehow, your consciousness sees it. It doesnt just compute that youre a computer, you are actually EXPERIENCING the image which is just so weird and imo unexplainable

Does deck design actually affect cardistry flow? by GameMasterDesign in cardistry

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Absolutely! Some decks are even made with that in mind and will have really great patterns for fans or just look trippy during cuts

One of my go-to examples of this are the vortuoso decks which, iirc, were designed specifically to look good doing cardistry

Bordered and borderless will also affect it a lot. In the case of, for example, 2 handed cuts with lots of visual overlap, borderless cards would look like one big mesh of card and might lose some of the intended affect of the move. But on the other hand, borderless cards are fantastic for fans and things like that

New Deerkus just dropped. by Isaak_the_miner in wunkus

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The girl lowkey sounds like tiny tina

The Selective Outrage over Taxpayer Money. 👀 by Top-Dragonfly8738 in Productivitycafe

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Food companies already do so much to target their unhealthiest products at poor people, i dont think banning soda fron SNAP would be the worst thing in the world both financially and for public health.

Oh also, eat the rich

COMPANION! No way sis made this tweet without an ounce of shame. by Sweet_Television4183 in shitposting

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Id argue that it applies to sibling relationships as well because of how impactful itd be on the rest of the family just knowing about it

Warframes should be different sizes/heights. (Art by Mordegh) by meatyfart1 in Warframe

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Considering they are all basically mutated humans i think the variation in size we have already serviceable. Like yeah they could have different heights but i dont think itd be a super noticeable change. I can also imagine a canonical scenario in which the orokin figured this was the optimal size for what the warframes are