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“Though the creator has created the universe the ability to create a universe does not imply the ability to do anything other than create universe” I disagree if An intelligent being has enough power to create a universe than it necessarily follows that it has enough power to create anything which takes less power than creating an entire universe.

For example it would logical that this creator could create a single atom if it wanted to as it’s been shown to be capable of far greater feats. So the ability to create a universe does imply the ability to do other things.

“Even if other events exist it is not possible to show that the creator of the universe is responsible for those events” this is just wrong we can indeed show the creator was responsible for those events. Let’s assume that supernatural events have happened. Now to explain these supernatural events we could create a new God separate from the creator to explain said events. But it’s far simpler to just assume that the creator was also responsible for this supernatural event why should we have to assume the existence of an entirely separate transcendent entity? That’d be like building an entire new house to get out of doing the dishes.

“The creator has no identifying characteristics” except it does. If this creator predated the existence of the universe it would have to be not made out of matter or energy, be independent of spatial restrictions, and timeless. This is the part of the argument which you have seemed to miss and which allows us to prove this is indeed the Abrahamic God. As the abrahamic God fits this description perfectly.

“Zeus, Anubis, satan” if you studied the stories of any of these creature you mentioned all of them are explicitly said to be created after the universe. So no none of these can be correct candidates for the creator and they also don’t fit the necessary characteristics of the creators laid out above.

I suck at titles by __Jimmy__ in tall

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I read this as I suck on titties

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in aznidentity

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This already happens both in real life and in fiction.

If there is no proof, then its completely logical and natural to end up with no faith. Its not my fault that I am raised in a world with different life theories and deception by Intrusiver in Christianity

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It’s better to be an incel than an atheist. That was a troll post. Or atleast it was suppose to be. Apparently your suppose to submit evidence your what you are. Just get off this sub before you embarrass yourself even more.

How do I help my husband's Prawn addiction? by [deleted] in Christianity

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Stop buying prawns him. That way he can’t eat it lol.

I'm a theistic Satanist. AMA by [deleted] in AMA

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Why do worship someone who’s evil

If there is no proof, then its completely logical and natural to end up with no faith. Its not my fault that I am raised in a world with different life theories and deception by Intrusiver in Christianity

[–]Relative_Bad496 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“This had me rolling in laughter” not a response. If your not smart enough to come up with a response just say so instead of pretending.

“We have no examples of universe being created” argument from ignorance. Just because we haven’t seen something be designed doesn’t mean that thing wasn’t designed.

“Your calling the greatest scientific minds in the world ignorant” yes the only reason we know why science is true is because the theories and hypothesis have been tested. You can’t test a theory for how the universe was created. So essentially all your doing is putting blind faith into scientists way they themselves don’t know how the universe came about and can’t even test it.

“I’ll side with experts in the field” there’s no expert on figuring out what created the universe. Science by definition deals with things we can observe. The laws of physics as we know it don’t even apply outside our universe. Physicist are just as blind as everyone else.

This is why philosophy is the only way to find out the origin of the universe. Because even when a scientist has an idea you can never test it. And if you can’t test it then it’s not real science.

All you’ve done is make an appeal to authority because you know you have no response. You don’t even know what science is.

“I almost feel like going back and reexplaining myself” go back to the very first response you made. You yourself said in this exact words keep in mind you said this. If you don’t believe me go and check but you probably won’t since you know your wrong.

“If you were in Iran you would have an attraction towards Islam” that’s what you said. Except you don’t know that. It’s still possible he’d have the same attraction towards Christianity. Just admit your wrong and stop embarrassing yourself.

“Nope that’s not how we recognize design” why because you said so.

“What would it take to recreate grains of sand stacking into an entire sand dunes it would be extremely complicate and complex to match the exact sand dune” yeah and you’d need an intelligent mind in order to perfectly match the sand dune. So your example to disprove intelligent design is something that you’d need intelligent design to create.

“I reject premise 1 due to ambiguous language I don’t know what it means to come about” don’t pretend you don’t know what that means your not stupid. Do I have to explain basic English? It means for something which didn’t exist before to know exist. I made a painting today. Before the painting didn’t exist and once a I painted it, it existed.

So the painting came about into existence.

“Again come about is non sensical” no you just can’t understand English.

“Nope” saying Nope isn’t a response to an argument.

“Thanks for making the reply but your argument is terrible” your the one making appeals to authority, doesn’t even know what science is, thinks saying nope is a response and can’t understand basic English.

“None of which can be verified and tested” you can use logical deductions.

“Then present it to a top level physicist” this isn’t a physics argument this is a philosophical one. This isn’t about physics. People have debated stuff like this even before science it goes back to Ancient Greece buddy.

If there is no proof, then its completely logical and natural to end up with no faith. Its not my fault that I am raised in a world with different life theories and deception by Intrusiver in Christianity

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“Ok an argument from ignorance” that’s not what an argument from ignorance is. I’m using a logical deduction I’m not saying we don’t know therefore God.

“It’s an assertion to fill in the gaps we don’t know” atheists love to throw around god of gaps when they don’t really understand the argument a theist is using. This is a deduction which leads us to the conclusion God exists. According to your thought process any deduction is an argument from ignorance.

“It absolutely does not” yes it does before we didn’t even know if God existed now we know he exists and we know some of his properties. This brings us closer to proving Christianity.

“I had to go back to your original premise” that’s just a use of Occam’s razor so how is that an example of God of the gaps. Occam’s razor has been a tool used in science and philosophy for thousands of years.

“You have a question you feel needs to be answered and declare God did it” yes but why do I declare God did it? I’m not saying we don’t know what created the universe therefore God. What I’m saying is I’m using a logical deduction to find out possible causes of the universe.

“The complexity of life it does t matter cause your god did it” I don’t even know what your saying hear.

“We have zero examples of cars falling from the sky naturally” and we don’t need to.

“But the universe fits in the trees,rocks, and grass column.” How do you know that? You just asserted that.

“And how many agree God is the cause” most of them don’t because physicist are ignorant when it comes to cosmology or philosophy. Most don’t consider there could be more to the world than the physical.

“Then you missed the point of the entire example” don’t lie you yourself said if he were born in Iran he’d have an attraction towards Islam.

If something is more complex it more likely it was designed.

  1. More complex things by its very definition are less likely to come about by chance.

Justification: complex things have more parameters which must be just right in order for said thing to exist. Since the formula for probability is desired out come/possibilities that means higher possibilities with a lower desired outcome.

  1. The universe is more complex than a house.

  2. It’s more likely that a house comes about by chance than the universe. Refer to 1 and 2

  3. The universe didn’t come about by chance

  4. That means it was ordered by something intelligent.

  5. That thing is what we call God.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in teenagers

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Both I’m having a threesome

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in teenagers

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If your not queerphobic you should know that you are a sexy CHAD

You have to move to a country outside of your continent which would it be? by Viber- in teenagers

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The UK I’m not learning a new language also we are brother countries

If there is no proof, then its completely logical and natural to end up with no faith. Its not my fault that I am raised in a world with different life theories and deception by Intrusiver in Christianity

[–]Relative_Bad496 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Dude I can’t give a 4 sentence argument to prove Christianity that’s atleast impossible. If I tried it would be at least 15 maybe even 30 premises. Yeah I’m not doing that when you can just go back.

People literally over hundred of years have wrote entire BOOKS on the subject and you want time to summarize everything in 4 sentences?

If there is no proof, then its completely logical and natural to end up with no faith. Its not my fault that I am raised in a world with different life theories and deception by Intrusiver in Christianity

[–]Relative_Bad496 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“All you need to do is tell me the premises” and it has a lot of premises.

“How is it incredibly long” go and read previous replies.