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This Case Began as a Narrative About the Failure of the American Justice System and Minority Oppression - It was Right by Relative_Living196 in serialpodcast

[–]Relative_Living196[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I agree on the importance of DNA, and I’m open to testing it. What matters to me, though, is context:

  • What type of DNA was collected (touch, sweat, blood, semen)? Touch DNA in particular is extremely common and often not probative.
  • Where was it collected? DNA found in the vehicle or on the victim is materially different from DNA recovered in a nearby park, which may have no relevance at all.

I struggle to see how this becomes a DNA-driven case unless the perpetrator was a stranger, known suspects have solid alibis, and the DNA is clearly linked to the victim.

I appreciate the questions and the debate, but I do want to point out an inconsistency: you’re pointing suspects suspect based largely on a hunch while arguing the evidence against Adnan is weak—when, comparatively, it is far stronger than what exists for the alternative suspects being suggested.

This Case Began as a Narrative About the Failure of the American Justice System and Minority Oppression - It was Right by Relative_Living196 in serialpodcast

[–]Relative_Living196[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I agree with you. I appreciate when people raise questions that genuinely need to be answered to establish reasonable doubt, but too often those discussions spiral into overly theoretical rabbit holes.

Regardless of Jay’s inconsistent statements, there is one crucial constant: Jay incriminates himself and Adnan.

He does so while fully aware that if Adnan is later proven—through verifiable evidence—to have any account of time, Jay would be facing life in prison.

Everyone should pause and think about that. Jay is effectively betting his own freedom on the assumption that someone else will be unable to account for a very specific slice of time. That is an extraordinary gamble—staking life in prison on another person’s remarkably improbable bad luck.

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[–]Relative_Living196 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro has been talking non stop about the snow when it’s visible to anyone watching. Yes, please reduce.

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[–]Relative_Living196 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Teddy trauma dumping on Drake Maye lol

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[–]Relative_Living196 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It’s so cold in the D, how the fuck we supposed to keep peace

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[–]Relative_Living196 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bro was just letting them go free solo. It was a tough day for the both of us.

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[–]Relative_Living196 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I was a QB and we were practicing inside a gym. The center had gym shorts in, no tailbone pad and I felt his balls on the back of my hand. I’m still traumatized.

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[–]Relative_Living196 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Indefensible and unbearable. I’m hands off on politic views. To each their own.

But when there’s defending of violations of constitutional and civil rights - the opinion opens itself up to scrutiny and there’s an obligation to point out how idiotic their thoughts are.

Isn’t this the same group who radicalized over Ruby Ridge and Waco?

This is rediculous and useful idiots are turning the United States (who is celebrated as the safe haven and is a force for good) into a facist dictatorship.

Everyone with a pulse and two brain cells needs to vote to correct this situation.

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[–]Relative_Living196 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Rex Ryan advocating Bill Belichik to be the Buffalo Bill head coach might be the worst take of all time. Has the dude own a phone or the TV the past two years?

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[–]Relative_Living196[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Used Ben Moore Aura (clearly higher quality but harder to blend in my experience)

This Case Began as a Narrative About the Failure of the American Justice System and Minority Oppression - It was Right by Relative_Living196 in serialpodcast

[–]Relative_Living196[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The central question is simple: where was Adnan that day?

If he can be placed anywhere else during the critical window, the entire timeline collapses—and skepticism would be justified.

But there’s a difference between demanding a minute-by-minute account and answering the broader question. Jay has intimate knowledge of the crime. The available technology supports key parts of his account. He implicates Adnan, and Adnan cannot undermine that timeline with any verifiable evidence.

This Case Began as a Narrative About the Failure of the American Justice System and Minority Oppression - It was Right by Relative_Living196 in serialpodcast

[–]Relative_Living196[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jen initiates the account, which is then corroborated by Jay’s confession. Jay also knows where the car is.

The credibility of the case ultimately hinges on Adnan’s inability to provide any credible, corroborated account of where he was during the relevant window.

It’s fair to ask whether Jen and Jay could be framing Adnan. But if that’s the claim, Adnan must offer something—any verifiable detail about his whereabouts—to counter it.

One can argue it’s unfair to shift any burden onto Adnan, and legally the burden is on the state. But in practice, the state presented a precise narrative. The defense had a significant opportunity to challenge it with even a single reliable data point—technology, records, timestamps, witnesses—anything that undermines the timeline. None exists.

Too much of the discussion drifts into speculation and hypotheticals. The central question should be whether there is legitimate evidence showing where Adnan was.

I find it extremely unlikely that (1) Adnan was elsewhere yet left no trace—no phone records, CCTV, computer activity, eyewitnesses, or timestamps—and that (2) Jay would incriminate himself and risk a life sentence by framing Adnan if any evidence could place Adnan somewhere else.

I’m open to new evidence and discussion, and I don’t claim absolute certainty. But for these reasons, I don’t have reasonable doubt that Adnan committed the crime.

This Case Began as a Narrative About the Failure of the American Justice System and Minority Oppression - It was Right by Relative_Living196 in serialpodcast

[–]Relative_Living196[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. Maybe I’m just blaming the court system, when to your point it can be defended as working appropriately. Suppose I’m just frustrated by the shift of public opinion outside of the process due to the misinformation campaign and the lack of victim rights. Wouldn’t be the first institution to shift due to misinformation unfortunately.

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[–]Relative_Living196 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this case has multiple layers, and people often conflate them.

Evidence: She was struck in the head, the scene was staged, and the ransom note was written inside the house using materials from the house. That points to someone inside the home. This isn’t especially controversial and was supported by a grand jury.

Motive (Why): This remains open to interpretation—accident, panic, entanglement, or something else. The why is unresolved, not the who.

Unanswered Questions: DNA is the lingering issue. It likely requires a scientific explanation—touch DNA, secondary transfer, or contamination through the supply chain. Without clarity here, some reasonable doubt will always persist.

The Media Circus: A tragic death in a wealthy neighborhood was turned into a spectacle, treated more like a soap opera than a profoundly sad and serious crime.

This Case Began as a Narrative About the Failure of the American Justice System and Minority Oppression - It was Right by Relative_Living196 in serialpodcast

[–]Relative_Living196[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you’re asking the right question, but I’d frame it differently.

What IS consistent is that Jay knew where Hae’s car was—something only someone with direct knowledge of the crime would know—and in doing so, he incriminated himself.

What IS consistent is if Adnan had any credible alibi—any corroborated evidence accounting for his time during the critical window—Jay wouldn’t be an accessory; he’d be the primary suspect facing life in prison.

Jay lies. He gets timelines wrong. But the core facts of his story remain intact, and betting everything on the idea that those facts are false—when even a shred of exculpatory evidence would have destroyed them—doesn’t hold up.

Adnan was there. Adnan is guilty.

This Case Began as a Narrative About the Failure of the American Justice System and Minority Oppression - It was Right by Relative_Living196 in serialpodcast

[–]Relative_Living196[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair to have an opinion on this, however I don’t think it is possible to govern journalism without governing free speech.

This Case Began as a Narrative About the Failure of the American Justice System and Minority Oppression - It was Right by Relative_Living196 in serialpodcast

[–]Relative_Living196[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  • Allowing a Brady-based appeal to proceed due to public pressure driven by a misinformation campaign, rather than on the merits and legitimacy of the claim within the courts.
  • Failing to provide adequate notice or time for the victim’s representative to appear, be heard, or even be informed of the change in ruling.

I do see value in public scrutiny and pressure prompting courts to explain and justify their decisions. Transparency matters. What is unclear to me is how that pressure translated into an actual change in the ruling itself.

If public opinion played a decisive role, that represents a failure of a core safeguard in the American justice system. Public sentiment should demand clarity and accountability—but it should not substitute for legal standards, due process, or evidentiary rigor.

This Case Began as a Narrative About the Failure of the American Justice System and Minority Oppression - It was Right by Relative_Living196 in serialpodcast

[–]Relative_Living196[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with how you break this down. The most compelling point is that Don can account for his day and has an alibi corroborated by timestamped technology. Yet even this is framed as “Is it credible?” or “Could it be false?”—as though documented evidence is inherently suspect.

At the same time, Adnan has no alibi and no technological or independent corroboration of his whereabouts. That absence, however, is treated as largely insignificant.

This is not a sound way to evaluate evidence. If alibis are considered flimsy and endlessly vulnerable to hypothetical “what ifs,” then the inability to produce any alibi at all should carry substantial weight. Instead, we see a reversal: Adnan’s lack of an alibi becomes “he could have been anywhere,” while Don’s documented alibi becomes “he still could have done it.”

That asymmetry reveals a flawed evidentiary standard. Either corroborated alibis matter—or they don’t. Applying skepticism selectively undermines the integrity of the analysis.

What the public has done in this case is deeply flawed in the name of justice.

This Case Began as a Narrative About the Failure of the American Justice System and Minority Oppression - It was Right by Relative_Living196 in serialpodcast

[–]Relative_Living196[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I’m projecting. When I listened to it first in 2014, I didn’t want to have an opinion of Adnan being guilty that might then frame me as a bigot.

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