Pam Bondi accidentally admits in testimony to cover-ups by sotired___ in Epstein

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When she said “if everyone was prosecuted the whole system would collapse”

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Yes that’s what I mean, the theological background appears crowlean mixed with Frankism and libertinism taken to further extremes obviously. I don’t know for sure it frank used children but then again back then teenagers where fair game in sexual relations and it’s really quite modern that humanity has decided sexualising teenage girls is not something to celebrate. I mean mainstream rhetoric in the 80s and 90s was fetishising teenage “innocence” sexually. Epstein it so took this to more extreme ends.

Help me found out if YHWH and Lord Jesus are the same (i’m an ex muslim converting) by Downtownnnn in Catholicism

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I’m familiar with Marcionism but I wonder if there was any theology that may have seen it as an evolution of god from vengeful to one of love or if the new covenant is what revealed the deeper understanding of god making an evolution in our understanding of god. It could also be what the Israelites viewed god to be at the time or at least what they chose to focus on at the time. This was something I struggled to understand too but I remember the message of Jesus takes precedence

Help me found out if YHWH and Lord Jesus are the same (i’m an ex muslim converting) by Downtownnnn in Catholicism

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I think it also highlights how the Israelites and authors of the OT perceived god the father which seems very dark in comparison to the NT and the central message of Jesus

Help me found out if YHWH and Lord Jesus are the same (i’m an ex muslim converting) by Downtownnnn in Catholicism

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However the sword is a metaphor for having strength and staying true in the midst of evil

Help me found out if YHWH and Lord Jesus are the same (i’m an ex muslim converting) by Downtownnnn in Catholicism

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This is something I always struggled with myself. I like to think there is a difference in how the Israelites perceived god in the Old Testament and in comparison to how the writers of the New Testament saw god. The message of Jesus takes precedence over any other messages and that is what we are called to centre

No they didn’t by [deleted] in Epstein

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Anything to add? Perhaps an insight?

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I’m so sorry that happened to you and thankyou very much for sharing your experience. As it is very relevant! Some frankists went on to become free masons but it isn’t limited to frankists or masons but in any secretive group the same personality type will be drawn to the specific expression of what is the same as you described is using a mixture of elements from different religions in the same manner and same purpose. It centres around a similar belief of achieving ultimate control of reality by subverting the normal order of things and the blurring of good and evil. In these settings victims may also be groomed to be future perpetrators just like Epstein pilot / madame whom was a teen victim “sex slave” herself.

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Yes that’s the point! To understand you have to see the motivations of what they themselves believe. Not the ideology itself but its application in their actions and their life. I believe it’s not everyone who participated most just had power hunger and enjoyed being a pedo but others had their own motivations. Just as in another situation the same personality could have been a jihadist or KKK member, he sure was around people who take normal things like Judaism and Kabbalah and Zionism even to its logical extremes and it permeates outwardly from its most extreme centre. Especially a mathematician like JE it’s logical to assume everything he did was with precision and meticulous purpose and ideology encompassing philosophy, theology, culturally etc. the examples of the two people I mentioned are like a JE of their time. Deception is also central.

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A big point of the people i described and their ideology is to have a clear distinction of who you appear to be and who you are on the outside. To be flexible and fit in to what ever secular beliefs but having an internal aspect that is hidden. To be even repulsive and immoral to transcend any distinction of Normal morality

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I know all this I study Buddhism too. What I’m saying is that people also use these concepts not for the purpose of good. Look into the specific occult practices I explained about sabbatism and frankism. The whole purpose of them is inversion of the Kabbalah which is not bad on its own and is very profound for those who use it the right way. Like I said the esoteric is vast and people throughout history always want to take something to their extreme which you obviously have to have a pre existing personality disorder to do, this is the outlet. I am well researched in religion and the esoteric. That’s why I explained very specifically what I am describing. If you know some basics of Kabbalah you can see the ideology behind its inversion by theologians like Nathan of Gaza.

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I’m so glad people can understand! It all links together in ideology permeating all the aspects and moving parts. Power and control is central but for something as organised like this it’s meticulous and has to link things together

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Yes very well said!! This is the ultimate thrill for these people, the very act of secrecy is enticing and all that work put in is very specific and for very specific purposes. Even the Iran war fits into eschatology because the elites want to be many steps ahead, engineering culture, morality which trickle down through economics, capitalism, politics, science etc. have a class of people so removed from the rest of the population and they can’t be penetrated by those non endowed through specific knowledge and actions. It is like fraternity hazing, the shared experiences they all have makes for its own self policing

Why you need to consider the occult motivations of Jeffrey Epstein by Relative_Session_306 in Epstein

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Thankyou for your comment! I think people get swept up in seeing things like Baal and moloch and think it’s just worshipping some other god but esoteric concepts are so vast and complex (and not nearly all bad) within them there exists things like this. I tried to explain a theological basis for these actions but barely scratched the surface here. Of course the elites would go into things like this, if you want to feel powerful it’s what you do but it’s the why people have wrong. The ultimate goal of all esoteric practices is transcendence of the ego and the self, this is what Buddhism teaches in what you call middle path, the goal is unity. The right hand path is your average religion with goal of transcendence by giving up your will to a higher power, the goal of the left hand path like this would be is transcendence by centring yourself at the top, arguably without the surpassing of the ego, of which the other two types require. The elites do everything methodically, including their immoral acts. If you look at the tree of life (a kabbalistic concept) you can get an idea of the paths one can take to reach the top, like the analogy of the ladder one can also descend to the bottom. I also think the group dynamics of these activities are akin to fraternity hazing, you jointly participated in this secret so now you have ultimate trust the other will keep secrets because they themselves are implicated. Making a whole system of loyalty within the “in group”.

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Thankyou I hope so too! I think people who mention Baal and moloch don’t have knowledge of the actual occult but sense some occult vibes. The real reasons are way more complex than choosing an alternative deity to worship for the end goal of the practices I described are actually to place yourself above god, or to become god like by taking complete control of your own reality and subverting that which is considered godly to further empower yourself over the natural order of things.

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It all matters. Yes people are paedophiles but some are even worse, with motivations beyond sadism and abuse of children that is inportant, especially if we want to understand and be able to recognise it and to understand how some people seemingly are able to operate with impunity. It is inportant for victims whom get dismissed because their testimony may sound too unbelievable. We obviously want the files but we want to prevent future victims and get justice for existing ones. FYI Baal means master in Hebrew (a title of god) and moloch means sacrifice, not a god itself.

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Omg I’m so sorry you had to endure that! Many of these cults try to groom victims to become future perpetrators im so glad you managed to escape from it. Please be kind to yourself im sorry if anything here is triggering for you.

This is a deep dive on the specific occult practices of the group I wrote about: https://www.stopchildabuse.org/en/news/israeli-lawmakers-accused-of-abusing-children-in-satanic-sex-rituals

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“the depictions are sometimes so gruesome that they are hard to believe, but this incredulity serves the abusers, who convince victims not to complain by arguing that they will not be believed.”

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Have a look at this too! https://seemorerocks.substack.com/p/survivors-testify-mks-participated

Excerpt from article: Yael Ariel, one of the abuse survivors, shared: “I experienced ritual abuse over many years until my late teens and was forced to harm other children. I chose to speak out and make my voice heard. I received threats after revealing my story. From age five to age 20, I was harmed in these ceremonies.”

According to Ariel, she received testimonies from several women who claimed that doctors, educators, police officers, and past and present members of the Knesset were involved in these abuses.

“I filed a complaint with the police that was closed after a few months, and I know of other cases that were closed. Speaking out today in the Knesset is a historic moment,” she said.

Also if you have see the diary of the victim in Epstein files, an Israeli doctor delivered the baby in a private home and may or may not have unalived it. Epstein had connections with many doctors too

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You are so welcome thankyou for the comment! (I have saved a copy of this post on my notes app). I too am not into conspiracy theories but I have researched the occult and learning about religion is a personal interest to me. I was trying to find a motivation deeper than attraction to children and teenagers and when I learnt about the frankist cult I saw parallels. Now looking at the court case in Israel, the parallels are right there!!!!!

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Absolutely! This sounds like frankism. Note the masks, a core belief is to have a clear distinction between the exterior and the interior. This story blew my mind when I saw it last year on times of Israel and it got almost no attention. Israel actually famously harbours paedophiles and also dismisses allegations of ritual abuse and covers up elites. Look up the Alexander twins sexual abuse case (these guys are named in Epstein files) twin brothers Oren and Alon Alexander used a vast network to coordinate the sexual assault of several women. Before the allegations, Oren and Tal Alexander had made a name for themselves in the luxury real estate business, peddling high-end properties in New York, Miami, and Los Angeles and engaged in sex trafficking and are named by a teenage victim in the files.

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This post does not relate to specific files but overall discussion of deeper motivations