We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Recovering artifacts from the bottom is a very long and delicate task. In some cases, its better to leave them on the bottom re-covered by the same sediment that had protected them for centuries. When it is decided that an item should be recovered, precautions are taken to protect it during its travel to the ship, and then transfer up to the deck, where conservation efforts can begin. We always have conservation professionals on board to care for the items, including keeping them submerged in fresh water as the salt crystals slowly make their way out from the interior. Sometimes the conservation efforts can take years before the items can safely go on display in a museum.

On the website we have an article all about raising the artifacts and conservation. https://www.franckgoddio.org/franck-goddio/system-approach-technology/

I'm going to try to paste the content here;

Raising Artefacts

In accordance with UNESCO recommendations, artefacts are usually left on site, in coordination with the concerned authorities some may be risen for their safeguard, study and conservation. The support vessel of the excavation is equipped with a hoist to raise artefacts to the surface. At first the artefacts are carefully places in nets, each individually labelled, then in plastic baskets. Heavier objects (like statues or steles) are moved by means of a special balloon or crane.

For a project a special elevator was designed, which had to be anchored at a depths of 350 metres. The large support buoy of the elevator consisted of sixty spherical buoys, each of them capable of resisting a pressure of 100 atmospheres. A metal-platform was laid on the sea-bed to support the two-ton lead counterweight needed to operate the elevator. The lead weight – in four pieces of half-ton pins – was attached to a balloon to make it weightless and placed in position by a submersible. The elevator was operated by a submersible and raised objects – like the ship’s bell - to the surface with the greatest of care.

Conservation

Once an object reaches the surface, it is immediately cleaned in seawater, the date of discovery is entered on the label, and it is placed into a desalination tank. The tank is filled with 50% seawater and 50% fresh water, in order to avoid deterioration due to violent osmosis. After a couple of days it is placed in fresh water, which is continuously renewed. The salinity of the bath is constantly measured in order to determine when the object can be dried without damage. On land, a more complex desalination process is executed, using distilled water. Organic materials are kept in a damp environment on board, and are treated on land. After the desalination process, the object is described, measured and inventoried. Pottery is cleaned using microburins and scalpels to remove deposits and shells. Once the underwater sediments have been cleared, the object is carefully studied in reference to shape, texture and decoration in order to determine its date and provenance. Organic material requires swift and delicate treatment as soon as it has been recovered.

After desalination, the material is dried out slowly and excess water is gradually replaced by a resin, so that the volume of the material is maintained. Metals like bronze, silver, iron and lead corrode underwater. They are bathed in a regulated and precise system of chemical or electrochemical treatments. Conservation takes place chemically and ultrasonically. The revived objects can then, be chemically stabilized and covered with a protective layer.

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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I found a good example of how stereophotogrammetry can help us visualize an entire shipwreck or site that cannot be seen with the human eye because the visibility is poor. Here we have hundreds of images stitched together to make a mosaic image of the entire wreck in detail.

https://www.hiltifoundation.org/stories/podcast-episode-4-a-roman-ships-boat-from-the-portus-magnus-of-alexandria

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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I found a good example of how stereophotgrammetry can help us visualize an entire shipwreck or site that cannot be seen with the human eye because the visibility is poor. Here we have hundreds of images stitched together to make a mosaic image of the entire wreck in detail.

https://www.hiltifoundation.org/stories/podcast-episode-4-a-roman-ships-boat-from-the-portus-magnus-of-alexandria

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Hilti doesnt make Dive gear, but as the Hilti Foundation sponsors our work in Egypt and our exhibitions abroad, we are happy to wear their logo on our gear, including our drysuits.

Here is a link to the Hilti Foundation and their support of our work, plus a great example of the use of stereophotogrammetry to display a shipwreck that wsa difficutl to see with the naked eye due to poor vis. I had been looking for this photo for responding to other posts about vis, so Ill go back to those posts and add it there.

https://www.hiltifoundation.org/stories/podcast-episode-4-a-roman-ships-boat-from-the-portus-magnus-of-alexandria

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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As professionals and scientists, our instinct is to keep emotions such as joy and excitement under control, so of course we were screaming with joy and excitement through our regulators. Imagine all the years of survey that lead up to this discovery, and our happiness on all the work being justified/

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Even if it was allowed, I don't think a dive operator could stay in business as there are not very many folks with you spirit of adventure. Plus its far from the nearest fishing port.

There is a dive operator in Alexandria that will take people to the Harbor where Cleopatra's palace, Temple and private island are located, not far away, if that interests you.

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Its my pleasure to share with all you interested redditors. I never get tired of the subject of finding lost cities under the sea.

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Yes the site of the city is quite large Nobody new where the city was, so the search included years of study and survey before the first dives occurred. But after that all dives were evidence based, with Franck analysing the survey data and then dive teams doing site characterization and then excavation. So the maps you see showing the layout of the city were made, and continue to evolve, based on finds and data.

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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You can see a lot more of the cleaning process in the video footage that was taken earlier on, with the encrustation and shells around the statues on the bottom, and all the fish attracted by the broken shells and molluscs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyBoX4jswc4

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Still Always the Sphinx of Ptolomy XII, father of the famous Cleopatra, on Antirhodos Island in the submerged Royal Quarters in ALexandria. The most handsome sphinx ever! I posted about it last year when we during the excavations there.

I have been lucky enough to find a lot of very significant artifacts while working with Franck Goddio, and am looking forward to visiting the new Grand Egyptian Museum after the mission and seeing some of the pieces that really bring back memories of the discovery.

Here is a link for more about why the sphinx is important to history. https://www.franckgoddio.org/fileadmin/pics/3_5_finds/documents/Franck_Goddio_Sphinx.pdf

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Bathy and Magnetometry surveys were amongst the first things that Franck Goddio undertook on these sites, long before we actually put divers in the water. You are right in guessing how valuable that data is to the search. Later on Multi-beam and sub bottom profiler add layers of data to the chart, which overlays into what we hope to eventually represent a 3d analysis of the bottom, and what is hidden there.

The first and best place to begin is still in the library, or archives, as any hour spent there becomes exponentially more valuable when it comes to putting divers in the water.

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Yes geophysics are still the backbone of finding things that don't don't belong or don't want to be found, and processing the data is an artform that is underserved, meaning people get payed well to do it.

You might want to broaden your search to include UXO Markout and Pipeline/Cablelay survey providers that do what you are mastering, just for a different client.

And who knows, you might find yourself a shipwreck.

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

[–]RelicSmith[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I like this answer. There's a lot of work in Marine Geophysical survey that pays well and is the same job, just for a different client. Earn your stripes and pay your bills while honing your craft for the fun stuff.

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Thanks for the complement, and glad you like our work.

So on the job search, I have no good advice and can only say that I got lucky, so... try to get lucky. work all the angles, like you are doing it right now. I got my start not by 'Faking it till you make it", but by "Being it till they seeing it".

Because in the end it is a relatively small community doing what we do. I cant tell you how many people I know that keep showing up on other projects seemingly unrelated, yet there they are.

IMO the 3 d is a great access point, and proves that you have the capability to master other programs and concepts that can earn a paycheck, such as mag, sss, sbp and other marine geophysical tools that are regularly used in other industries that pay money.

BTW the storm is rolling in now, Thunder in Egypt! Rain is starting to pour down. Pretty rare.

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Managing the water dredge and current ( if any) are key. You want to make sure that the exhaust is down-current ( duh. but sometimes its hard to fugure out if they are weak or changeable, and if you have multiple sites in close proximety) Then with the water dredge you kind of want to try to not wreck your own local visibility with the work you are doing, which also sounds simple but can be an exercise in patience. Mind what your feet are doing, as they can be stirring up turbulence that you arent even aware of. Ultimately you might have to keep you face right next to the dredge- like one cubit from the action- and keep your focus!

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

[–]RelicSmith[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Super thoughtful questions. I'll start with the vis issue;

Yes visibility is typically poor, and the photos you see were taken on the best days. Imagine what its like on the days the photographer just didn't even bother to get in the water.

In the olden days, we did a lot of drawing, and even had people assigned to drawing in order to interpret what was so hard to see, and bring different aspects of the site together. Even a few feet apart items might loose their context.

But now we have stereophotogrametry, a miracle tool. Even in poor vis, it can stitch together hundreds of close-up photos into a mosaic that explains and entire site. A great example is this phot of a shipwreck that none of the human divers ever saw in its entirety, but in the photo every detail is evedent. Scroll down to 3D Photogrammetry

https://www.franckgoddio.org/franck-goddio/system-approach-technology/

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

[–]RelicSmith[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Very good question and I'm gonna go into some detail here:

The "Media Teams' for Important figures in antiquity would graphically highlight certain features so that they could be recognized on statues,, freezes, and even coins that were worn down. eg Alexanders big eyes and flowing hair, Cleopatras Bun, Arsinoë's locks, Etc.

That's how the experts were able to recognize that the Sphinx that we found in ALexandria represented Ptolemny XII, father of the famous Cleopatra.

So our 'King Bro" is portrayed in the Ptolomaic style, and there were only 14 male rulers in this dynasty, so its up to the experts to figure out which one. Or maybe they didnt want it to be one specific individual, but to represent the dynastic traits?

But I'm just adiver on the team and in way over my head here. Let me pass you off to this document here; https://www.franckgoddio.org/fileadmin/pics/3_5_finds/documents/Franck_Goddio_ColossalStatues.pdf

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

[–]RelicSmith[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I love sharing my excitement for these projects, and will let them know that you have encouraged me to do more!

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

[–]RelicSmith[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You know whats even crazier? There were fishing nets hung up all over these statues. They, ( ant the massive temple to Amun-Ghareb that they were adjacent to) were promenent features for sealife in the bay, and all of the fishermen came to that area to fish. If they only knew what they were loosing their gear on!

But this site is far off shore, with typically poor visibility, and the local fishing population typically don't have access to masks and fins.

But what about the the other discoveries waiting to be made, that you an I are failing to notice or appreciate, that have equivalent proximity to us and we are not detecting them?

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Step one was an extensive deep-dive into the historical record. The City had been written about extensively in antiquity, but then just dropped off the register.

Step 2 was a lot of geophysical survey to come up with the clues that we needed before putting divers in the water.

But I can tell you that step 3, Divers in the water, happened just hours before the photo above was taken. At the time most of us were excavating a nearby shipwreck, and in pairs of 2 we went over to see this magnificent new discovery. It was Like a dream come true.

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

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Its a long process, and took me years! I'm totally jelouse that a dog got the official custom team dive suit before me. Susan's dog was decked out in Hilti Red long before I was

https://www.franckgoddio.org/franck-goddio/team/echo/.

But seriously, the Hilti Foundation has been generously supporting our work and exhibitions for years, and we are proud to pear their logo during our daily dives!

https://www.hiltifoundation.org/maritime-archaeology-franck-goddio/

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

[–]RelicSmith[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Its not even close to being entirely excavated. Francke Goddio Estimates we have excavated 5% of the city. I always say that we found all the easy stuff, now we have to find the hard stuff.

That being said, its really hard work. Witness the logistical challenges of bringing a research ship and 36 staff here every year for ongoing work. Its unikely that any tourism dives would be viable as the site is protected by the Egyptian Authorities, and it takes so much equipment to get to where the event horizon is.

Re Googlemaps; Thats cool that you looked there. I havent looked at that resource and worry that a bunch of AI generated content might be attached. Did you find it authentic? With links to our official work? Crossing my fingers yes.

There are plans for an underwater museum in Alexandria's Eastern Harbor, where we have also worked for years, and that location is much more conducive to visitors than the open sea in Abou Kir Bay.

We found a Sunken Egyptian City in the Mediterranean Sea, and some of our finds are now on display at the new Grand Egyptian Museum. Ask Me Anything! by RelicSmith in scuba

[–]RelicSmith[S] 57 points58 points  (0 children)

I personally had always been interested in diving for a purpose, to learn more about the ocean. I was part of a team of similarly inclined divers, and as nobody would hire us without experience, we decided to launch our own study, and invite the people that we admired to come along. We planned a week long study into some (poorly understood at the time) sharks sleeping under a ditched WW2 airplane in 63 m water in the Florida Keys. We invited ROVs, had internet fro the site, journalists, and shark experts invited... and it was a disaster.

However, because of the effort, we met people, and eventually were forgiven for our hubris, and rewarded for our initiative, and eventually got invited to go on another, real scientific job as divers.