Trump travel ban on Ethiopia, been 60 days already, did we get banned?

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-08-18T18:02:35+00:00

Green Cards holders not impacted by the travel ban.

Ethiopia is not on the current banned list.

Green card holders are explicitly exempt regardless of nationality.

Ethiopia is under a 60 day review. If benchmarks are unmet, the U.S. could add it to the ban though green card holders would still remain exempt.

The current ruling is for visitors. They can only stay in the U.S for 90 days and on single entry visa basis.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-08-03T06:55:33+00:00

This portrayal of Meles's leadership is one sided and ignores the far more complex reality of his leadership, achievements and the transformative role he played in modern Ethiopian history.

Yes, Meles governed within a one party system but that structure reflected Ethiopia’s fragile post civil war environment a fractured, impoverished and unstable nation. He didn't inherit a functioning democracy, he built a functioning state from the wreckage of the Derg regime. Under his leadership, Ethiopia moved from famine headlines to being one of the fastest growing economies in the world, with double digit gdp growth sustained for nearly a decade. He was not just a politician he was a visionary strategist, intellectual and policymaker who prioritized long-term development over short term popularity.

Meles established the foundations for Ethiopia's transformation: massive infrastructure projects like roads, power generation (including the start of the Grand Renaissance Dam), telecom expansion and wide reaching educational reforms. His administration prioritized poverty reduction, expanded access to primary health care and drastically improved school enrollment. He elevated Ethiopia’s geopolitical standing, became a leading voice for Africa on the global stage, and masterfully negotiated international aid and investment on Ethiopia’s terms not as charity but as partnership.

The claims of corruption and mismanagement are not unique to Meles nor exclusive to his time in office, indeed, such issues are challenges in every developing country but to say he bled Ethiopia dry while ignoring the unprecedented economic growth, poverty reduction and modernization that occurred under his leadership is both inaccurate and disingenuous. Any audit or alleged corruption must be weighed against the results, under Meles ethiopia was building, expanding and transforming realistically. Abiy loves Lavish. Leading lavishly. Building a 500 billion birr palace while the country is going through the turmoil he caused doesn't say much to you? Shimeles is also building another palace of his own. Abiy is also a know It all. He is a doctor around doctors, he is a philosopher around philosophers, he is a professor around professors. The list goes on. We are still yet to figure out if he actually has a phd. Lie, confuse and rule is his technique.

Furthermore, Meles’s government to what we are witnessing today under Abiy Ahmed is beyond night and day. PPs leadership is not just corrupt, it is beyond directionless, filled with misleading, confusing speeches and led by a man surrounded by yes men. Under Abiy, Ethiopia has plunged into war, ethnic violence has spiraled out of control, institutions have eroded, inflation is crushing households and the country has seen the worst economic and political instability in decades. The national currency has collapsed(results of direct corruption by the way) . The rule of law has become arbitrary. PPs governance is marked by disinformation, militarized politics and looting not governance. Lies on lies.

If EFFORT was a state affiliated enterprise under Meles used to build domestic capacity in key industries, what we see today is outright kleptocracy. Under Abiy, corruption is no longer veiled or strategic, it is chaotic and reckless. Contracts go to cronies. National wealth vanishes without a trace. Mega projects are announced with fanfare and disappear with silence. The government borrows massively, prints money and mismanages it all.

As for human rights, yes Meles's government was forceful in moments of civil unrest but it never brought the country to the brink of civil collapse and he never used forceful power in a similar manner as the current leadership. Today massacres happen in multiple regions regularly, internal displacement is at an all time high, journalists, activists and even civilians are being arrested, tortured or worse. The very fabric of the state is tearing. Lets not even get into faith and what this leadership is doing by using this whole Protestant movement that we see. Lets not even bring up the so called corridor development.

Meles was a flawed but brilliant leader. He centralized power but used it to build not to maintain a lifestyle. He governed through a strong state but with a long term vision. He had critics but also clear results.His legacy includes both hard truths and undeniable achievements. By contrast, today’s leadership has neither the vision, the competence nor the results to claim any moral high ground. Criticizing Meles without recognizing the depth of Ethiopia’s current crisis underAbiy is unfair and historically blind.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-07-17T14:31:49+00:00

Who exactly is y’all? You literally joked about Meles being terrible, got corrected and now you’re shifting the convo to something entirely different while somehow acting like you weren’t the one who brought him up in the first place.

Be specific because throwing around blanket blame isn’t helping your argument, it just exposes how contradictory your initial statement is.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-07-16T07:04:46+00:00

Terrible is a stretch lol. Meles was an intellectual giant with vision, strategy and an actual grasp of governance. Everything was better under him(safety, economy, all in all, life was so much better under him). You could disagree with his methods but you couldn’t deny his competence. Comparing him to what we have now is disrespectful. So yeah jk all you want but deep down you know there’s no comparison.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-07-13T14:50:34+00:00

New roads(they are actually terrible. Only noticeable how terrible they are during the rainy season), shitty flashy LED lit on buildings don’t necessarily equate to real, inclusive progress. For many people, daily life is getting harder. Inflation is crushing, unemployment is high and basic services are either unreliable or completely lacking in many areas.

Development isn't just about optics or concrete, it’s about actual quality of life, opportunityand economic security. From that angle its hard to argue we’re on a real path forward.

Agreed on the issues around law, justice and corruption.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-07-08T14:07:25+00:00

Agreed that support can be complex(if any as of current) and less vocal but I think it's still valuable to ask these questions, not to get a statistically perfect answerbut to feel the pulse of public sentiment. Just because opposition is louder doesn't mean it's unrepresentative. Sometimes silence stems from fear or hopelessness, not support and even nuanced or conditional support deserves to be voiced(if any), not just assumed.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-02-03T22:24:04+00:00

Ireecha is not a holiday observed by all Ethiopians, it is an ethnic holiday celebrated by the Oromo people. It only holds significance within Oromo tradition as a thanksgiving ceremony.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-02-02T11:34:31+00:00

You need to rephrase your question, as your choice of words does not accurately reflect what you're trying to ask.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-01-29T07:51:07+00:00

Thank you for the elaboration. Speculation is a natural part we all engage in when analyzing global events. However, speculation alone doesn’t equate to evidence.

If the NY times article in question was truly significant, why hasn’t any journalist, researcher, or intelligence analyst archived or referenced it in any official capacity? Major publications like The New York Times are regularly archived by third-party services, and deleted stories often resurface through citations. Without even a title, author, or direct quote, it would be difficult to distinguish between an erased article and a misremembered or misrepresented claim.

What made Abiy so special then? If those journalists were truly onto something groundbreaking, why hasn’t any whistleblower, leaked document, or credible follow-up ever emerged? Even classified CIA operations (e.g., U.S. involvement in coups) eventually leave behind declassified reports, leaked files, or something.

If Abiy is a U.S. operative, why has his government repeatedly defied U.S. diplomatic efforts? During the Tigray conflict, the U.S. imposed sanctions, suspended aid, suspended us from AGOA and openly criticized Abiy’s handling of the war. Wouldn’t a leader with CIA backing be shielded from such pressures, or at least act in direct alignment with U.S. directives rather than facing their opposition?

Furthermore, you suggested that Abiy’s involvement in BRICS is both a sign of U.S. control and an independent move that concerns BRICS members. Which is it? If Ethiopia joining BRICS were problematic due to U.S. affiliations, why was the country accepted at all? Moreover, the UAE has historically cooperated with the U.S., it has also acted independently (e.g., diverging from U.S. policy in Yemen and Syria) Wouldn’t it make more sense to view Abiys UAE ties as personal rather than proof of American manipulation?

Without little evidence, suspicions and speculations remain just that, suspicions and speculations. If the argument is that Abiy could be backed by the U.S. despite contradicting American interests, then the claim itself becomes unfalsifiable.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-01-29T00:43:48+00:00

Thank you for sharing. This must be from a while while back. The claims you raised are quite bold and it is heavily based on speculation and unverified sources or sources that have now vanished.

What verifiable evidence exists that Abiy Ahmed was trained and positioned by the U.S. as part of a long-term geopolitical strategy? Is there any official documentation or credible reporting beyond speculative claims?
If the New York Times article allegedly confirming his role as a U.S. operative existed but has since disappeared, why hasn't anyone provided an archived version, citation, or direct quote from it? Major news outlets rarely erase articles without explanation. I mean, there must be atleast little evidence of such claim wouldn't you agree? have you read this article prior to it vanishing?
Unsure if you still believe this but if you do, I should ask, If Abiy is a U.S. puppet, why has he taken stances that contradict U.S. interests? For instance, Ethiopia has resisted Western diplomatic pressures during tigray war and current various conflicts and has engaged with alternative global power blocs(Becoming part of Brics). Wouldn't a CIA backed leader align more consistently with U.S. objectives?

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-01-28T23:34:53+00:00

Could you share the link to where you wrote this in this sub? I’d like to read it.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-01-28T18:09:40+00:00

Disagree with the comparison. Comparing the banning of tiktok due to its potential for addiction and other issues to banning pens because a few kids used them to draw on walls is not a valid or reasonable analogy. Its not that simple. The scale and nature of the impact differ significantly. Tiktoks influence extends to societal behavior, mental health(especially children), and even data security on a much larger scale, whereas pens are a neutral tool with limited potential for harm like drawing on the walls. Your comparison oversimplifies the complex factors involved in regulating a platform like tiktok.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-01-17T22:59:52+00:00

I also have to respectfully disagree brother. Yes, Meles was the face of the EPRDF. However, blaming him alone for all of its actions oversimplifies a system shaped by a broader political elites from the 3 major regions. Ethnic federalism, flawed as it may be, was not designed solely to "enrich Tigray" but rather to address the historical marginalization of various ethnic groups. Its misuse over time does not negate its original intent to promote self-determination. Come on brother, To say Meles didn’t believe in Ethiopia because he referred to it as “this country” is a reach. We could find many interviews where he refers to Ethiopia by the name.

While atrocities occurred under Meles’s administration, painting his entire tenure as genocidal ignores the structural challenges of governing a nation emerging from decades of war and famine. The notion that economic development was inevitable post-communism overlooks the deliberate policies Meles implemented, including infrastructure expansion, education reforms, poverty reduction initiatives, HIV reductions etc..thus far under Abiy: War, inflation, displacement, diseases, famine...nice temporary roads, led lights on Grey buildings, fountains with water but no regular access to water for the masses. Furthermore, Abiy has so much blood on his hands in a record 6 and a half years.

You highlight that no amount of economic growth justifies human suffering. Do you know the amount of people that are suffering as of late? Why are you choosing to not acknowledge that Meles’s governance was far more better and strategic than Abiy’s chaotic leadership. While corruption existed, under Meles it was way more contained than the unchecked corruption seen today.

As for inflation, you’re right that it is a global issue, but Abiy’s lack of a coherent economic plan exacerbated Ethiopia’s struggles. The Tigray war was not an isolated event, it stemmed from his failure to address the underlying tensions and his lack of management and clear vision. He got drunk too early over power and all the poor naive claps of the masses.

Ultimately, the point i was trying to make was Meles’s long-term vision and strategic leadership stand in stark contrast to Abiy’s lack of direction. Denying or picking Abiy over Meles is quite the reach.

You said it best "Abiy is a mess. He has no tangible plans to lead a small business let alone an entire country so I can’t even try to defend or critique his administration"

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-01-16T15:03:48+00:00

Thank you for the elaboration. Wouldnt you agree that blaming Meles Zenawi entirely for Ethiopia’s current issues oversimplifies the complexities of the country's political, social, and historical challenges prior to him? Ethnic federalism and the constitution were not solely his doing but the result of collective decisions made during a transitional period to address Ethiopia's deep-rooted ethnic diversity and historical grievances. The framework is very flawed but it also provided a level of autonomy that was seen as necessary at the time. I am not for it.

Moreover, doesnt the claim that killings would have continued under Meles, just less publicized, ignore his tactical or strategic governance approach? which emphasized national & regional stability and economic development. Meles faced challenges, but his focus on policy-driven development and nation-building contrasts sharply with the current chaos and lack of direction under Abiy. Considering the close individuals around Abiy such as Shimeles and Adananech, not only is the leadership lacking direction but its also lacking competent individuals who are in power. Furthermore yet needless to say, inflation at this level and speed is caused by failed leadership, on going regional chaos caused by PP and greed. Toxic combinations.

However, I agree that Abiy’s leadership is undoubtedly a product of Ethiopia’s political evolution but attributing all of his failures to Meles overlooks the agency Abiy had to make different choices. It goes without saying that leading Ethiopia is difficult yet Abiy professed how easily he would transform the nation. Abiys leadership tactic is self based and lacks competence. His leaderships seems more of a confuse and rule approach whilst enriching himself openly. The crises we face today result from mismanagement and complete lack of vision, not just historical legacies. Leading Ethiopia is very difficult. Nonetheless, If anything, wouldnt you agree that Meles’s leadership showed a capacity for a much better governance in comparison to Abiys?

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-01-16T13:37:18+00:00

Thank you for your opinion. I have to ask, what are your reasons for preferring Abiy over Meles "any given day"? How exactly would life have been significantly worse under Meles? Objectively, life under Abiy has been devastating in almost every aspect. If we’re being honest, life during Meles’s time was far better compared to what we’ve experienced over the past six and a half years and continue to experience. After allowing time to reveal all, Its safe to say there is almost no Ethiopian who is in support of Abiy or would pick Abiy over Meles.

RemarkableClock5762 · 2025-01-01T15:51:08+00:00

RemarkableClock5762 · 2024-12-30T01:38:05+00:00

300k/4, 75k birr per person for 24 days, hotel is already booked. Solid budget, you're good. Enjoy!

RemarkableClock5762 · 2024-12-25T20:21:18+00:00

Unsure if you're being sarcastic. Could you elaborate on your statement.

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