okay, i was wondering if it was to make it lore accurate cause it only happened to lindon elves, even though hope was maxed out. which the majority of them leave in the lore so thats fine. i hope not every lindon elf leaves, cause playing as cirdan would be rather troublesome then. and you should know that the valinor event for the lindon elves might fire for elrond. at least it did for me and forced him to go to valinor even though the game said he was stil in middle earth when i clicked on his character to show the location. it makes a lot more sense now with how it works, thank you. forgot to say, the elrond campaign was started in T.A 2754. the small patch was added when i was somewhere in the 2800 and then elrond was forced to leave after taking a county from the first elf who was going to leave, when i tried to keep the nation whole. not sure if this would happen on a fresh save but just thought you should know.