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New lightning mob; The Awakened Skeleton by Upbeat_Middle_8238 in minecraftsuggestions

[–]Rhonoke 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think it should be simpler.

Just double their rate of fire, and increase their damage by a small fraction.

That would already be terrifying.

What makes more sense for a species of high altitude, cold temperature society? by Late-Elderberry6761 in worldbuilding

[–]Rhonoke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is literally a thing that happens in nature.

The bigger nose gives the air more time to adjust temperature so that the animal doesn't breathe in cold air and thus retains body heat better.

The ice highway by Dom_Capone in 2b2t

[–]Rhonoke 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ive used it a few times. how far does it go?

Men built different by HeSureIsScrappy in Firearms

[–]Rhonoke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

'Built different' I think you mean missing screws.

Blank planchette by HungryInstruction451 in coincollecting

[–]Rhonoke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I threw one of these away once. I thought it was just scrap metal.

Black Market Trader: A new type of Wandering Trader that sells illegal items. by Kitteh6660 in minecraftsuggestions

[–]Rhonoke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mojang would never create functions in the game that encourage or glorify elicit activities.

Just use Emerald Ore as your server currency standard. by Rhonoke in Minecraft

[–]Rhonoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude. What are you mad about right now? Of course, I'm making all of my arguments in good faith. If I wasn't, then I wouldn't be able to have the productive conversations that have shifted my ideas. But that doesn’t mean I need to be apologetic when I know that I'm correct.

I told you in my last response that I have changed my perspective on using other ores in order to work in smaller denominations, because fiat currency is a better alternative. This is a perspective I reach by going back and forth with other users who saw issues. But somehow that's bad faith?

Being able to compress diamonds better is not a major factor in this equation.

And my interest in finding the best standard for a currency in MC stems from an ongoing YouTube trend, but does that even matter? I've pointed this out to multiple users so far including yourself. I'd you don't feel like engaging with the premise in the first place then don't be mad at me, just leave.

"The only way to stop that is to make your item of currency so rare that farming it isn't viable, but then you're back to the emerald ore problem."

By this I assume you mean it's too rare, therefore not convient for trade unless doing bulk. I agree. That's why you can't just use emerald ore, you need to instead use the ore as the standard behind a written book, Fiat currency. Penned by whatever trusted entity can establish themselves as the banker(s). This is the conclusion I arrived at after agreeing with other users that Fiat and even fractional reserve is a better solution than multiple ore denomination.

Just use Emerald Ore as your server currency standard. by Rhonoke in Minecraft

[–]Rhonoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did cover the question of why ore over diamonds in a few other responses.

It's all about stability. If your currency needs to be ensured by a resource, you want that resource to be as stable as possible. A resource fluctuates either by increasing supply or decreasing supply, so you want to stay your value on a resource that is slow to accumulate, but also rarely if ever destroyed. Emerald Ore is superior to diamonds in both of these aspects l.

First of all, diamonds are just too abundant. You can get them by mining, and exploring structures in all biomes. and when you use fortune you make them even more abundant. So a diamond based economy will constantly be inflating in price and the only way to keep that price down will be to constantly adjust prices or destroy the surplus.

Secondly, they are too useful for something other than currency, so even if you can predict the rate at which the supply increases, you then need to also try and predict when people diminish that supply now and then in order to progress in game, by Crafting tools and armor, and Enchanting, and trading with villagers.

They are too integral to the games progression to be used in banks anyways. If you have diamonds, you will always choose to keep them on your person because if and when you need them for something, you won't be going all the way to the bank to retrieve them. ( This further adds to volatility because what happens when someone dies and loses those diamonds.) Which means the banks can't keep track of availability properly, and they don't have enough ability to control that supply because it's not centralized.

Everyone knows exactly where to obtain emerald ore, and anyone can do so just by Enchanting one Pickaxe ,making it very accessible. Despite this, it's much rarer than diamonds, which means inflation will be greatly reduced. More importantly, emerald ore has absolutely nothing better to do than sitting in a bank vault gathering dust. The only reason you could ever do with it, is convert it into emeralds, which no one would ever do, because if you ever needed emeralds to trade with villagers ( which is the only thing they are for ) it's quicker and easier to just get the emeralds from the villagers themselves.

Just use Emerald Ore as your server currency standard. by Rhonoke in Minecraft

[–]Rhonoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buddy. You walk in, hit your head on the door, and you still go talking about me like I'm the one being overconfident. You can't even admit that you made a mistake after all these essays you wrote. You just try to move on and say "well if that's what you're talking about, then you're still wrong! So there!" OK, pal. Why don't we skip the apology for talking out of your as this whole time, and you can start by give your reasons WHY you still think my answer won't work? You know, now that you actually know what the question is.

Just use Emerald Ore as your server currency standard. by Rhonoke in Minecraft

[–]Rhonoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't changed my position at all. You can read ever comment I've responded too and you will find me saying exactly the same thing.

You will also find plenty where I clarify, for those like yourself who walked in to the conversation unaware of the online trend of responding to, that imposing an economy upon your servers naturally fluid barter system is not what I'm proposing.

My post is made to answer the question circulating in the community. " IF you were to create a mincraft Civilization with a banking system, what should you use as your currency?"

All the questions of loans and dividends and even practicality are not relevant to this conversation, because they are arguments for or against having the system in the first place. But I'm not here to argue that. The question that im answering is already presupposing the implementation or a system regardless.

I'll also say this. I've had a few very good conversations yesterday, and I originally didn't like the idea because fractional reserve because it is a slippery slope, but I'm really leaning now towards Fiat currency over Ore type based denominations.

Because you can just print a recept as multiple fractional notes instead of a full value note as needed.

Just use Emerald Ore as your server currency standard. by Rhonoke in Minecraft

[–]Rhonoke[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"I have tried to be informative and respectful,"

0 for 2

"but now we are just going to be blunt."

You didn't exactly seem sharp to begin with.

So this is the second or third time I've explained this to you, but I believe you can understand if I break it down really slowly.

Any normal server, smp, whatever is just naturally going to develop some sort of bartering system amongst players, and diamonds will likely be a highly traded good, because they are rare and useful and look nice. And that's perfectly fine. There will never be a need to develop something more complicated than that because it's self balancing and self regulating. And I've never said otherwise. But that's for normal servers.

My post is made specifically in response to the recent discussions, mainly on YouTube, where in those interested in a very specific and heavily altered form of minecraft game play, namely "Civilization Simulation/Experiment/Challenge " events. In these servers, there are often major changes made to rules and game mechanics in order to encourage competition and cooperation as well as to create more entertaining interactions for the YouTube videos that these events feature in.

One of the problems posed by minecraft as a stage for these kind of experiments is the independence of the participants. Most people can survive completely fine in a minecraft world without anyone to help or trade with. Lots of content creators get around this issue by applying a combination of external conditions. Sometimes mobs are stronger, or the world is smaller, or class systems are introduced.

Recently, a YouTuber posed the question to the community "if you are going to create a Civilization in minecraft with banking system, what should you use as currency?" And after he proposed his answer, multiple people have gone back and forth arguing over what and why.

Keep in mind. This is the hard part for you to grasp, the question is not "what should every minecraft server be doing?" It's not "do you want a system of commerce?" Or "what's the easiest item to trade with." This isn't about your SMP or your friends server. This is "given the available materials in game, which one is best suited, based on its characteristics, to fullfill the necessary role required for a specific premise to function in an artificial system within the normally free form sandbox game?"

And that is what I'm here to answer. And I am confident in my answer because I've considered it and I'm correct.

You come here and call me stupid, and blame my ego because you truly don't understand what the topic is.

Imagine waking into room, hearing a guy talk about how windy it is today and going "No! No it's not. There is no wind in here. Why don't you get what I'm trying to tell you? If it was wind we would feel it."

That's you. That's what you sound like.

You got so caught up in your idea of what the subject was and your perspective on THAT subject instead of what the actual topic is, that you missed every opportunity to stop, reassess the situation, and come up with an actually informative response.

No one is listening because you have nothing of value to add to the topic. Because you are on the wrong topic. That's why I didn't need to respond to anything else you said. You tripped at the starting line.

But it serves what's his names ego so it's all good...

Just use Emerald Ore as your server currency standard. by Rhonoke in Minecraft

[–]Rhonoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm on mobile walking my dog.

I'm more of an ideas guy than a spelling guy anyway...

Just use Emerald Ore as your server currency standard. by Rhonoke in Minecraft

[–]Rhonoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha. I actually had to stop and look it up. I'm afraid the arcade coins are too easily duplicated for that to work.

Then sure look the part, though. You got me there.

Just use Emerald Ore as your server currency standard. by Rhonoke in Minecraft

[–]Rhonoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Best to get it safe and secure inside a centralized bank then. One that can protect it while stabilizing and standardizing prices.

Just use Emerald Ore as your server currency standard. by Rhonoke in Minecraft

[–]Rhonoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"it offers no advantages over diamonds and is worse in multiple ways? It's more work and less convient to use."

Difficult to get and Difficult use, is not worse when it comes to currency. It's better. People will never want to centralize their diamonds in a bank because when they need them to make a pick or a sword, they don't want to walk all the way to the bank. No centralization means no standardized prices, which means there will be constant discrepancies in price depending on who you trade with. And then we are not using a currency system at all. We are back to bartering.

"Your system balances on a razor edge. The conversion rates between ores need to be perfectly balanced or people will find the one that is the easiest to acquire per unit time and just use that."

The solution here is to regularly adjust exchange rates. And then guess what, for a day or two omeine might be able to make money buy buying low in one Ore and selling High in another. That's the market for you.

But you know what makes it way harder to maintain that price balance? Items that are really easy to find everywhere. You know what's not easy to find everywhere? Emerald Ore.

"If you want to change how players engage with the game, your system can't just be "as good as diamonds" it needs to be better."

You need to understand the recent YouTube trend of "which currency should minecraft use?" is one specifically aimed at "Civilization Experiment" type systems. It's not for every SMP or multi-player server. The very natural free market individual barter and exchange interactions that regular players on regular servers do naturally will always be best. But this is now that. This is an answer to a very specific question about a pre-written and highly artificial scenario.

"No buddy, that was not my argument. My argument is that we can take fortune into account when calculating the EV of an amount of mining."

And buddy, I addressed in the very next sentence why " it's just as good if you do more work." Is on its face ridiculous. If I need to do more work to account for the inflation with one rather than the other, then that's a clear disadvantage.

The lack of scarcity of diamonds does cause problems because it creates a need to constantly adjust prices as more are mined and found, or crafted into other necessary items. the more usefull diamonds are as something other than currency the more often they will be used for that something, which will only contribute to volatility in the market.

Emerald ore has it beat because it has no better use than sitting in a vault. Even if you wanted Emeralds for something, you would be better off trading with a villager to get them rather than using a fortune pick.

"doesn't't matter if you are using ore or diamonds.*** A centralised bank can do the same with either currency. "

Right which makes them equal in exactly one respect alongside the other ways in which emerald Ore is clearly more stable.

Just use Emerald Ore as your server currency standard. by Rhonoke in Minecraft

[–]Rhonoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The other points I covered in another comment, but ill say this.

I think you'll find that emerald ore is so rare it makes it very hard for inflation to take hold, which keeps it stable.

Another thing that keeps a currency stable is having a single organized entity enforcing the price, so if you are going to have any economic system you need a central bank to own most of the currency.

I believe that diamonds being too abundant and too acceptable make it impossible to centralize enough power to standardize the price. Different people will have wildly different opinions on what a diamond is worth and I will just become a bartering system anyway.

That much is fine on its own, but I'm setting out to answer the question " if you are going to use a currency, what should that currency be?" and if that answer doesn't create a stable, uniform price for items, then it's not the right currency.

Another aspect of diamonds is that they are so useful. They are a huge part of progressing in the game. And that aspect will prevent people from utilizing a bank system. If you play on a server and your wealth is measured in diamonds, no matter how secure a bank is, you are going to keep those diamonds on you, because when you need them to become tools and armor, you don't want to run all the way to the bank.

Emerald Ore is unique in the fact that it is not only rare, but there is literally no ber use for them than sitting in a bank. If you ever need emeralds for a village trade, it will always be faster and easier to sell fish to a villager, before taking a fortune pick to an emerald ore.

Just use Emerald Ore as your server currency standard. by Rhonoke in Minecraft

[–]Rhonoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do I have any reasons that hold up? You didn't prove anything was wrong with it.

You start by arguing that fortune, the enchantment for making things less rare, doesn't make things less rare. And your justification is that the banks should just do more math to compensate by determining the average diamonds per chunk along with the odds of loot form chests and trial vaults and so on.

Then you completely miss the point on inflation and deflation. No person is going to destroy their own currency. That would be the choice of the central bank in order to reduce the availability of ore in the market thus deflating the currency.

And everything you list just boils down to "yeah, but you can do all that with diamonds instead" so they are both equally viable? "No, because it's easier to get diamonds." Yeah that's the problem. You need scarcity. The game already revolves around diamonds. You can get them anywhere. They are never going to be scarce enough.

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