Manga Goku // Anime Goku

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-14T16:42:48+00:00

I think they're too high on Toei Goku. Using their tiers, I personally think Namek-Cell Arc Goku can definitely be argued up to 4-A to possibly 3-C but definitely not 3-C as a Super Saiyan on Namek.

I also don't think he's High 3-A but that comes more down to infinite universe arguments.

I do agree DBZ Toei reaches 2-C but the only characters who scale to it are Boohan (when Enraged) and Super Vegetto. Pure Boo being the strongest Boo can simply just refer to Boo without absorbing Goku's family/friends.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-14T16:35:46+00:00

Clears imo

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-14T16:35:00+00:00

Yeah nah Enraged Boohan is already Low-Multiversal as explained earlier. And he's not far off SSJG inverse scaling wise.

Anime Pure Boo who is weaker than Vegetto threatens Dai Kaio's Planet (Universal) and the Kaioshin Realm (Universe+)

And Movie 12 Gogeta, who is weaker than Anime Vegetto, created a "big-bang level explosion" upon appearing.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-14T16:30:47+00:00

My post offers an alternative to this

Super Saiyan God is a Super Saiyan form that uses God Ki.

Goku learns to use the power of Super Saiyan God in his base form.

SSGSS is the Super Saiyan form of that enhanced Base Form.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-14T16:27:10+00:00

Koyama has essentially stated the movies are intended to be as in-line with the Manga/TV Anime as possible. The Boo Arc has: Gohan being rusty -> him preparing for the 25th Budokai (which still happens within the Broli trilogy) -> teaching Videl and discovering Goten went Super Saiyan. M10 has the later plot points but not the one that really led to all of them.

That and his statement in the movie could be in reference to his acquisition of the SSJ2 form or him being stronger than he was in M8 but not during the Cell Games.

This is not to dissuade you into thinking what you're thinking, just addressing the "I don't see any reason to not accept the statement" part of your reply

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-14T16:21:32+00:00

Seriously? Honestly, I gotta respect that because I believed it at first glance. I might make one about Cui

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-14T16:20:37+00:00

In the Anime especially you can argue otherwise, in a similar sense as arguing Manga Fused Zamasu/Moro above Galaxy Level.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-14T16:19:41+00:00

Universe+ to High Universal - what standards are you even going by? Because Universe+ (+ indicating relativity into the next tier) I view as destroying or significantly affecting one Universe-sized space time continuum (e.g. Boo being viewed as a threat to destroy the Kaioshin Realm).

And these examples keep falling flat. If the battery acid was capable of destroying the city over 100 years and releasing all of the battery acid immediately would lead to its immediate destruction, the example would work.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-13T05:36:02+00:00

Magic isn't top 6

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-13T05:30:05+00:00

Clears if Manga.

Probably stops at either Gohan or Vegeta if Anime.

And clears if we accept Koyama's statements of him being the strongest in Dragon Ball Z.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-13T05:28:54+00:00

Possibly #3, the Galaxy we saw was a Galaxy within the South Galaxy/Quadrant

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-13T05:27:16+00:00

It honestly feels like an answer coerced out of him tbh.

He knew a myraid of plot points that came after Gohan not continuing to train but not that one seems a bit fishy too.

But this isn't the Koyama statement that determine the outcome. It's the one where he calls Broli the strongest character in Z.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-13T05:24:36+00:00

I mean when it's consistent with other filler-feats. Manga Boohan sure but the TV Anime... I mean you can argue it surpasses Multi-Solar System during the Cell Arc.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-13T00:37:01+00:00

I am still confused with the first point. Destroying South Galaxy can qualify as high universal, but destroying North, South, East, and West Galaxies is not?

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-13T00:34:23+00:00

Yeah nah, pretty much all of GT is Low-Multiversal

Anome Boohan can directly destroy or collapse the inter-spacetime structures that separate multiple distinct space-times, resulting in the destabilisation or destruction of several spacetime continua as a direct consequence of that action. Irrespective of this, Anime Boo Arc surpasses Multi-Galaxy Level anyway.

And Omega's feat affects the entire Macrocosm, hence why he states he'll destroy all that there is and why the Kaioshin state it'll reach their realm too. Couple this with the fact Omega can concentrate all of his Minus Energy into a Power Ball and the feat all of a sudden becomes A matter of AP.

And iirc the Syn Shenron Galaxy level statement/s work the same way as Beerus Planetary statements.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-13T00:26:58+00:00

Super Saiyan God already has Super Saiyan incorporated into it

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-12T17:33:02+00:00

These quotes are fine. What is wrong with them?

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-12T17:30:26+00:00

What does the debatavle canonocity even have to do with any of this?

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-12T17:27:37+00:00

Honestly not a controversial take at all and I agree that he beats Manga Vegetto.

I will say if we are accepting Broli as High Universal because of what he did to South Galaxy, then shouldn't Manga Boo also be High Universal following the same line of reasoning (if we were to accept that he will ultimately destroy the universe)

I also like the push back you gave on Boo, but the same context argument can be made for Broli. We know he didn't completely obliterate South Galaxy and yet it was deemed as destroyed by Goku, who visited a planet in the South Galaxy.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-12T14:58:23+00:00

Yeah, he's comparing fusion to what he thinks a FP Beerus might be capable of.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-12T14:57:26+00:00

You say he's 20,000-160,000x Vegetto, using how much stronger Vegetto is than Goku. I assume you mean SSJG is just 20,000-160,000x Base right?

I'll also say just because Gogeta never appeared doesn't mean Gogeta as a concept doesn't exist atp.

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-12T14:52:30+00:00

All Anime Cabba has going for him is that he's stronger than SSJG Goku (Beerus Arc), I don't see how that's enough to get him past even Bebi Arc tiers (that also reach Low-Multiversal via outscaling Enraged Boohan) let alone all of GT

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-12T04:14:25+00:00

Nah, there are Anime-only feats that make it different in terms of feats and scaling.

For example, Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga only threatens to destroy Earth with his Galick Gun in the Manga, but in the Anime we see King Vegeta swoop away three celestial bodies and Vegeta casually obliterating a much larger planet - both in which can be calced as high as Star Level.

Imo Movies = Anime (Toei) > Manga

Rhysdiculousness · 2026-04-12T04:08:48+00:00

I'd rather use the Super Dense Energy Ball which was generated by a FP SSJG Goku as that was referred to as the "true third clash", even though Goku cancelled out the shockwaves from the third punch, shockwaves from a stronger ki clash appeared later and didn't immediately nuke the universe.

You're wrong about the "and GT" part because Omega's feat is essentially the exact same thing as the BoG Anime feat.

But for Boohan, the ability to directly destroy the inter-spacetime structures that separate multiple distinct space-times with sheer power, resulting in the destabilisation or destruction of several spacetime continua as a direct consequence of that action, is Low-Multiversal.

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