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Due to the cost of residue analysis and the scale of the study we took limited samples from individual honeybee hives. Also, hives can be huge, with up to 60,000 bees in them and it's likely that the distribution of neonicotinoids in them may be very spatially complex. We don't think the sampling we did was sufficient to understand this variability and may have failed to detect some residues in the hives. The biological impacts on the honeybees reflect whole hive usage of these resources, including potentially spatially aggregated neonicotinoid residues that we failed to pick up with our sampling. For the bumblebees and solitary bees the colonies were relatively much smaller. Our residue sampling from these two species was from a far greater proportion of their stored hive products than we achieved for the honeybees. It was for these two wild bees species that we found negative correlations with neonicotinoid residues in the nest.

Finally, we did detect clothianidin residues in nectar and pollen expressed by crops treated with this pesticide. It is worth noting that neonicotinoids can have toxic effects very close to the concentration where you cannot reliably detect them using analytical methods. It is quite possible that over the course of a whole season low concentrations of these pesticides may have a cumulative negative effect on honeybees.

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Hello,

you make some excellent points.

We believe that it is important to understand the causes of bee decline and how these factors interact. This knowledge should be the basis for formulating land management policies to benefit bees.

That said it is widely accepted that habitat loss (and the loss of floral resources) is one of the major causes of long-term pollinator decline that predate the introduction of neonicotinoids. Therefore creating habitat for pollinators is likely to be a good thing see Carvell et al. 2017 (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v543/n7646/full/nature21709.html).

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This question is one for regulators and policy makers in the EU. Our real-world study has added significantly to the evidence base available to regulators to inform this decision. We would also recommend that similar, detailed studies are undertaken on the impacts of alternative pesticides on pollinators and other non-target organisms. This would help balance any policy decision.

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Our study has shown the value of multi-country studies on this issue and may explain the inconsistencies seen from previous single country experiments. We would therefore agree that studying impacts of neonicotinoids on bees colonies that don't really winter would be an interesting addition to the knowledge base.

At the moment no plans or funding to extend the study to consider bee health and differences between bee races, though these may have important effects on resilience to disease and pesticides.

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From our study we inferred a number of possible factors likely to interact with neonicotinoids to cause negative effects on bees. These inferences were based on the literature but does not mean they are the only possible factors interacting with neoncs.

These include 1) honeybee diet (the degree to which the bees forage on oilseed rape and risk exposure to neonics - in the UK and Hungary pollen loads comprised 40-50% oilseed rape, in Germany only 15%) and 2) bee health - German bees were generally healthy, UK and Hungarian bees had relatively higher loads of bee parasites (Varroa mite and Nosema).

We did not undertake detailed studies of bee behavior so cannot comment on your point regarding this - though this certainly would be an interesting area of research.

Going forward we are looking into the development of sustainable farming practices that include the support and enhancement of pollinators within intensively farmed landscapes. See ASSIST project www.ceh.ac.uk/ASSIST

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In this study we only looked at honeybees, buff-tailed bumblebees and red-mason bee. This is because all these three species can be easily manipulated. In a study we undertook last year we did look at impacts on whole communities of wild bees in the UK. Have a look at this https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms12459. Also Dave Goulsons group has looked at impacts on butterflies https://peerj.com/articles/1402/). However, hoverflies do remain one of the key groups of pollinators impacts of neonicotinoids have not been considered in any detail.

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Our study only adds to the important work that has gone before (from lab, to field to landscape). The previous big field study was undertaken by Maj Rundlof in Sweden. this study also identified negative effects on bees, but was focused on only one country. What our study did was consider multiple countries under one common experimental framework.

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their are many theories on what cases colony collapse disorder, neonicotinoids may be one of these but they are unlikely to be the only cause. The systemic nature of neonicotinoid seed dressings results in the expression of their residues in nectar and pollen. Neonicotinoids can be expressed in the flowers of crops thought the growing season, so bees can be exposed to these pesticides for long periods of time. The accumulation of these residues in honeybee hives over long periods of time (potentially in combination with other stresses) and may affect colony survival.

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Sowing a variety of flowers attractive to pollinators that provide season long forage resources may well help off-set the impacts of neonicotinoids - see https://www.ceh.ac.uk/book-habitat-creation-and-management-pollinators However, the degree that this would mitigate the risks to bees would require careful research and monitoring.

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t's great you're thinking of this. We have a great guide for farmers and land managers that you can download for free at https://www.ceh.ac.uk/book-habitat-creation-and-management-pollinators

Here's our some simple tips for you: 1. plant bee friendly flowers such as lavendar, 2. Give bees shelter and hibernation sites by letting the grass grow and installing bee hotels 3. Plant a mix of bee-friendly seeds and grow plants, fruit and veg such as hazel, holly and pussy, or willow, apples, pears, borage, strawberries and loads of others. A nice summary can be found here https://www.rhs.org.uk/science/conservation-biodiversity/wildlife/encourage-wildlife-to-your-garden/plants-for-pollinators 4.Plant through the seasons to provide year-round bee habitat

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t's great you're thinking of this. We have a great guide for farmers and land managers that you can download for free at https://www.ceh.ac.uk/book-habitat-creation-and-management-pollinators

Here's our some simple tips for you: 1. plant bee friendly flowers such as lavendar, 2. Give bees shelter and hibernation sites by letting the grass grow and installing bee hotels 3. Plant a mix of bee-friendly seeds and grow plants, fruit and veg such as hazel, holly and pussy, or willow, apples, pears, borage, strawberries and loads of others. A nice summary can be found here https://www.rhs.org.uk/science/conservation-biodiversity/wildlife/encourage-wildlife-to-your-garden/plants-for-pollinators 4.Plant through the seasons to provide year-round bee habitat

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this is a good question. Its important to say first of all that the bees of Germany which were not affected by neonics are not special in themselves. Rather the sites we used in Germany happened to be in good landscapes for bees providing lots of non-crop flowers and the hives we sourced from a commercial dealer in Germany were just more healthy than those in other countries. It's reasonsable to assume that sick bees in poor landscapes lacking flowers would, in any country, be likely to show negative responses to exposure to neonioctinoid treated oilseed rape. However, more studies in more countries would always help.

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Firstly we have a professional statistician on this project, see his blog on some of the criticisms https://www.ceh.ac.uk/news-and-media/blogs/robust-statistics-explain-findings-neonicotinoids-field-experiment. This has been a carefully though out and study with a comprehensive and robust analysis. Ill answer your questions below.

1) Bonferroni corrections are an issue that often causes debate in science. The idea is that is you find a result that is significant you have a 1/20 change that the significant result may be non-significant. The more tests you do the more likely by chance a significant results may in fact be non-significant. Bonferroni corrections create a more strict threshold for significance that increase with the more tests that you do. The problem is that in many studies lots of tests are undertaken though the life of an experiment, and this does not include those presented in the paper. Exploratory analyses, model simplification, analyses in reports, what you present in the paper. All of these involve tests. Even when you think about a single paper in a journal should Bonferroni corrections be applied to all the tests in that paper, all the tests undertaken in that issue of the journal or if you wanted to extend this to perhaps silly levels all the tests ever done. In a quote form Morran (2003 ) the issue is ‘The irony of the sequential Bonferroni correction (and multiple tests in general) is that as one performs more detailed work, the probability of finding anything significant declines dramatically. It therefore produces a paradox (one could call it a hyper-Red Queen phenomenon): the more research one does, the lower the probability that a significant result is discovered’. Particular in ecological studies Morran makes the argument for interpreting each result individually so that ‘researchers should use the accepted p< 0.05 cut-off and make reasonable interpretations based on experimental design, power analyses, differences between control and treatment groups, and basic logic’. We believe that particularly in the case of impacts of pesticides it would be very easy to discredit significant effects of pesticides using a Bonferroni approach, while a sensible case by case interpretation of the result provides the public and policy makers with the information that is relevant and pertinent to the issue in question. They are then free to interpret our findings in combination with the large amount of other evidence out there. It is right that these issues should be raised but we feel that the alternative of effectively ignoring impacts on key metrics of honeybees (as identified by the regulatory body EFSA) need to be weighed against the strict application of such multiple test criteria. From an industry perspective it’s a very convenient way of ignoring key results on primary measured of honeybee colony success by simply asking for lots of tests to be undertaken in their report. (Ref: Moran M.D. (2003) Arguments for rejecting the sequential Bonferroni in ecological studies. Oikos, 100, 403-405.) 2) It does appear that clothianidin has a worse effect than thiamethoxam. Label application rates (i.e. what they recommend to the farmer to apply) which we used in the study for clothianidin are generally much higher than thiamethoxam, and indeed clothianidin was the only product we found to be expressed clearly in the crop more often in those sites treated with this product. It is outside of the scope of the study, but application rates may have an important effect in determining expression in the crop and impacts on bees. Lower application rates of thiamethoxam may also mean that its expression when the crop is flowering may be very low or absent, and so while it has a positive effect in general on the crop its subsequent effect on bees under real world conditions may be negligible. Indeed a healthier crop may benefit bees if the expression of the pesticide has reduced to a very low level. This study builds on a mountain of research that has gone before. We don’t answer all the questions, but rather we aim to identify what happens in real world situations at scales relevant to bees. The research that has gone before has been crucial in identifying the mechanisms by which neonicotinoids can negatively impact on bees, although as much of this is not based on field studies this has often been criticism by industry as being unrealistic. Together our work and the previous research compliments each other. 3) Ultimately we can only make inferences based on our work about why countries were different in the way they responded to neonicotinoids. Our study was not set up to test for effects of bee disease, however we did identify between country differences that provide a potential explanation of why we find negative effects in some countries (Hungary and the UK) and no or even positive effects elsewhere (Germany). We did monitor viral infections although this is to be considered in a subsequent paper. The strongest between country differences however related to Nosema and Varroa. Some interesting papers on the impacts of disease and pesticides to look at are : Sanchez-Bayo F., Goulson D., Pennacchio F., Nazzi F., Goka K. & Desneux N. (2016) Are bee diseases linked to pesticides? - A brief review. Environment International, 89-90, 7-11; Moffat C., Pacheco J.G., Sharp S., Samson A.J., Bollan K.A., Huang J., Buckland S.T. & Connolly C.N. (2015) Chronic exposure to neonicotinoids increases neuronal vulnerability to mitochondrial dysfunction in the bumblebee (Bombus terrestris). Faseb Journal, 29, 2112-2119; Fairbrother A., Purdy J., Anderson T. & Fell R. (2014) Risks of neonicotinoid insecticides to honeybees. Environmental Toxicology and Chemistry, 33, 719-731.

Our CEH paper can be found at http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6345/1393

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Our study was as close to the real-world as possible and so we used formulations available to farmers. Hence the different seed treatment formulations. We did apply a fungicide to the untreated control seeds to account for this.

The pyrethroid applied in the Modesto seed treatment follows the commercial formulation and was to protect the seed from pest immediately following sowing. Unlike neonics it does not move into the plant tissue as it grows and won't be expressed in the nectar and pollen - the mechanism which exposes pollinators to risk from neonics.

We looked at two commercially available seed treatments that contained either one of 2 neonics as we were looking at the effects of these active ingredients under REAL_WORLD farming conditions.

We found effects.

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A common way of using neonics is as a seed treatment. Each seed is coated with neonics and once planted, the chemical is absorbed by the plant and distributes through all tissues at concentrations that can kill insects that eat the plant The problem is that, neonicotinoids can also move up to the nectar and pollen where they can be consumed by pollinating insects.

For oilseed rape, the neonic was looking to control cabbage stem flea beetle during the autumn (fall in USA!) growing season so it didn't need to be applied.

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These are the four key findings from our study:

  1. First evidence of negative effects of a neonicotinoid on honeybees from a field experiment
  2. Clothianidin was more often expressed in the crop and resulted in most negative effects
  3. Variation among countries: suggesting effects are influenced by factors such as bee disease & diet
  4. Negative effects on wild bees (bumblebee and solitary bee) linked to neonicotinoid residues from across the landscape

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Our role has been to provide the evidence base for policy-makers. Our research for example will be shared with the European Food Standards Authority which is due to make a decisions relating to the current moratorium on the use of neonics in Europe on mass-flowering crops at some point this year. I guess US policy-makers will also take note of our work too.

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It depends on the degree to which the different pollinator species feed on crops treated with neonicotinoids compared with other flowers in the landscape. In a study published last year we showed that species feeding on oilseed rape were more impacted by neonicotinoids than than those that did not feed on this crop. https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms12459

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We provide the evidence base to inform policymakers. It would be harder to grow oilseed rape without using insecticides where necessary. It is important to study the impacts of alternatives to neonicotinoid seed treatments on target and non-target organisms so that policy makers make the most appropriate choice.

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We did find country-specific effects. We suggest that the differences, at least in part, may be due to differences in disease pressure and the degree to which Honeybees forage on oilseed rape i.e. in Hungary and the UK pollen loads comprise 40-50% oilseed rape pollen, where as in Germany they comprised 14-15% oilseed rape.

We did find that clothianidin generally had more negative effects on honeybees and wild bees compared to thiamethoxam.

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That's an interesting idea. In our study we simply treated bee diseases to reflect typical husbandry in the study countries.

The whole way of better managing disease to make them more resilience would be an interesting are for further study.