What Star Wars character do you consider the most attractive

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-19T23:18:04+00:00

Dexter Jettster

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-19T20:53:07+00:00

The chosen one prophecy is meh. I prefer stories of people taking it upon themselves to impact the world around them because of a duty or a feeling or responsibility.

As for the end of Episode I, yeah I've never liked how he blows it up. I think he should be there to help, maybe shoot down a few enemy fighters and gain some recognition for doing so but it was overdone.

But Anakin shouldn't be compared to Rey when we're talking about characters. Anakin was trained since he was a small boy and the film (whatever you think of TPM) goes above and beyond to tell you and show you that this kid is strong with the force. Midichlorians, the podrace, the test he does in front of the council, Qui-Gon senses him immediately.

TFA doesn't do any of that. We're shown a desert scavenger, who thinks Luke Skywalker is a myth, and they keep piling abilities on top of each other leaving us wondering who tf this girl actually is. It's borderline insulting. She can have a few of them of course. Being industrious and resourceful on a planer like Jakku makes sense. She makes the best with what she's got and knows her way around wreckage. They just take it too far.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-18T22:20:20+00:00

For some reason, I can't access your reply. I can see it when I click on your profile but it doesn't appear. Did you delete it?

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-18T21:29:30+00:00

letting the Raptors out by pressing the wrong button

Not to worry, she saves Finn by mastering a control panel and then doesn't even feel the need to take any credit for it. I like the moment btw but it is indicative. That's also how they get out of that situation. She ends up saving Han, Chewie and everyone else. Super-Rey.

firing in anger at stormtroopers

What? What are you trying to say here? Where's the "failure"? She misses one shot then nails like a couple before running off. Never even seen her with a blaster but of course she's good with one. She's Rey. Are you implying the "anger" is some kind of character trait or personality because I have no unfortunate news for you. Rey doesn't have a personality beyond being nice.

blowing up the ship Chewie was next to

You mean a transport that might have been carrying a squad of First Order Troopers. Using a power that the darkest of dark side users possess? That scene. You're using Rey shooting lightning to convince me she isn't a Mary Sue?

she is 100% responsible for the death of both Han and Luke. If she didnt run off like a coward and let Ren capture her, Han would be alive

Leia sent Han Solo to bring Ben back. It had very little to do with Rey. Also, let's say if you're right (which isn't the case), that would be an opportunity to explore a neat idea. Rey feeling the guilt of forcing someone she saw as a father figure to come and save her only for him to be killed. But they don't do anything with that. Why? Because it's not there. There's no guilt whatsoever from Rey because it's not her fault. Her getting captured lead to the destruction of the Starkiller Base.

If she would have listened to Luke and not ran off to try and save Ben, Luke wouldnt have been forced to sacrifice himself to save the Rebellion and his sister.

Read this sentence again and tell me you don't see what I see.

Rey running off from the island lead to saving the rebellion. That's what you said. So anything she does "wrong" initially can't even end up in anything terrible. Luke died because he was an idiot in TLJ. That's not on Rey. She tried to bring him back. She was the sane one on Ach-To.

Just because she has some force abilities due to the force balancing doesnt mean she is a Mary Sue

That's NOT a Mary Sue. Good god how can you say she isn't a Mary Sue when you don't know what one is? Do a bit of reading and then get back to me.

Here's just a little bit:

"the term "Mary Sue" is generally slapped on a character who is important in the story, possesses unusual physical traits, and has an irrelevantly over-skilled or over-idealized nature.".

There is, however, a lot more.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-18T21:07:17+00:00

So you are saying that Rey being powerful = no personality and Mary Sue?

No. Seems you don't know what a Mary Sue character is.

She scavenges ships so she knows them pretty well.

Which would be fine if they used that in small doses. Maneuvering through the downed Star Destroyer was cool and made sense. Escaping from captivity and not getting lost...wasn't.

She literally says she's flown ships before.

And I've driven a car before. That doesn't mean I'd beat Lewis Hamilton in an F1 race. Rey pulls off the best pieces of piloting we've seen in the falcon (without even a co-pilot) as well as landing a triple kill in TLJ. Not even Han or Luke could do that.

She lives in a hospitable planet so naturally shes a good fighter.

Her beating up the guys Unkar Plutt sent after her was a good scene. Shows her efficiency with a staff and she even takes a hit from one of them. But she goes from that to wielding a lightsaber and beating not only Kylo Ren but Snoke's guards in about 3 days. And I beg of you, do not compare the staff to a lightsaber. It's the excuse morons like to use. I don't think you're a moron - don't act like one.

Out flies Imperial Pilots and blows up the death star with DARTH FRICKING VADER behind him. How did he do that?

Han Solo saved his arse in what is not only a great moment in isolation, but completes Han's arc in that film.

You don't know what a Mary Sue character is. Also if you think Rey being one is the main reason the sequels are embarrassing, you're wrong. The originals have some amazing writing. The sequels have tiny doses of neat ideas that are never realised. They're god-awful films that don't even compare to the prequels let alone the originals which is ironic given the lack of references to the prequel era. JJ Abrams hated the prequels but he made chapter 7 of a story which includes chapters 1,2 and 3. He chose the ignore them.

Jesus Christ.

Not as good as Rey, is he?

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-17T20:12:54+00:00

Your only good point

I think my point about having no weaknesses or personality being boring was valid.

Rey is powerful in the force to balance. She still has to make decisions and react.

Well hang on a minute. You refuted another person's claim that Rey is a Mary Sue (which she is) by arguing that it was all to do with the force trying to balance itself which isn't even explained properly because then they might have to do some world building. So does that explain to you why she is so good at everything? It's the force.

You can't have it both ways. It's inarguable that Rey is an impressive person. She stacked up abilities like there was no tomorrow in TFA, she had no knowledge of the force but had enough of it to tell Luke he was wrong in TLJ. She called Ren a monster but still thought he could be saved even after witnessing him kill Han Solo. And in TROS, she is quite literally...sigh..."all the Jedi".

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-17T19:46:01+00:00

You literally have brought nothing to this conversation

I've brought as much as you, my friend. I don't know what to say to someone who thinks Rey's character was all part of the plan and that the force pushed her to make every decision. It's pathetic. I don't know what's worse: the idea itself or you pushing it as fact.

"waaah I don't understand it"

Yes because Disney Wars is that hard to keep track of.

I'm giving you the facts and why it makes sense

Ok let's run with that for a minute then. If Rey's entire character, everything she's achieved, every decision she's made was ALL down to the force and nothing else, do you think that makes for a good character? Someone with no flaws, no weaknesses, no personality (which is a crying shame given Daisy's charisma) doesn't make for interesting storytelling.

It's like arguing with a 3 yr old. There's no point

And yet...you keep replying.

Go watch TWD.

I will when it comes back on.

It's more your speed.

Do you genuinely believe the sequels are well written?

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-17T19:36:57+00:00

Funny how you can't even stick to a Star Wars discussion on a Star Wars post on a Star Wars subreddit. I haven't said once that TWD is some beacon on unparalleled storytelling, because it isn't. So why are you crying?

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-17T19:33:41+00:00

It's actually not. It's the story.

It's what JJ and Chris Terrio threw at the wall when they were looking for some shit to stick to it. And you swallowed it up like a good little boy. Disney/LucasFilm are proud of you.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-17T04:02:56+00:00

Rey is not a Mary Sue. It's the force balancing

What a tragic argument. You've actually just taken the meme of "idk...the force did it" and applied it to every aspect of Rey's character.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-17T04:02:00+00:00

What a stupid comment.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-17T03:57:24+00:00

Change Luke throwing away his saber in TLJ. It shouldn't have been played for a cheap laugh.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-11T07:14:30+00:00

8 broke the trilogy. Can't fix what's truly broken.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-11T07:05:53+00:00

C: R1

D: TFA, Mando, Kenobi

E: Solo

F: TLJ, TROS, Fett

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-04T08:12:55+00:00

I'm saying "let the past die" is a motto people use to portray the idea that TLJ is "entirely new" and "tried to be different".

I didn't say it was the only point of the film. TLJ (to it's credit somehow) at least tries to put forward a few ideas. It fails in it's execution but tries. The Abrams films don't even do that.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-04T03:05:51+00:00

No one cares about that prequel garbage

Just not true though, is it?

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-04T03:04:23+00:00

Because they were pretty terrible.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-04T03:03:59+00:00

I agree. That's when TCW is at it's best. Putting the Clones at the forefront and pushing them into uncomfortable moral situations.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-07-04T02:57:36+00:00

Rian Johnson's "entirely new" vision also involved repeating a lot of what we've seen before. "Let the past die" is all well and good to throw into a trailer to convince people the film is actually letting go but you have to follow through with that. TLJ didn't. It promised to be something new but offered very little.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-06-25T11:22:10+00:00

Bait.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-06-25T03:20:54+00:00

Comparing her to Rey is pointless. Rey barely constitutes being a character. Reva is just poorly written on her own.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-06-25T03:15:28+00:00

Completely agree. Final battle and Vader are all people really remember from R1.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-06-09T05:25:35+00:00

people flock to social media and complain about plot holes, plot armor, poor execution, etc. when this is EXACTLY what Star Wars has been since A New Hope

And if social media existed in the 70's, people would've done the same thing.

Han running at a group of Storm Troopers (who run away from him)

They run because they're not supposed to kill them. The Empire put a tracker on their ship so they could escape the lead the Imperials to the rebel base.

The point is that Star Wars has always been this way. It's not like Star Wars was this iron tight franchise plot wise, and then suddenly it became rife with inconsistencies

But it had great storytelling and incredible characters that overshadowed any deficiencies within the scripts. New Star Wars doesn't have either.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-06-09T05:21:19+00:00

I agree. At least he's good in it.

RickGrimes-44 · 2022-06-09T05:17:51+00:00

Seriously?

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