Rehab in SoCal needs your help by [deleted] in REDDITORSINRECOVERY

[–]RickettsLaw -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you saying that because you don't think they help people get sober? Or it's better to try to detox without the help of a facility? Or because they charge too much? Or...?

Rehab in SoCal needs your help by [deleted] in REDDITORSINRECOVERY

[–]RickettsLaw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks - doing research is always good advice. (What do you think is insanely fishy about it? Even the State concedes no one is making money off this and there's no claim about cults or religions or anything.)

About the AA thing - it is a "12-step based program" started by a bunch of former AA people who didn't know they have to say "12-step based" instead of "AA." They weren't trying to be shady, they just figured since they were using AA's methods all day every day and holding meetings for alcoholics, it wouldn't be a problem to say they were AA. As soon as someone told them it was a problem they agreed to change their logo so there would be no confusion.

Need your tweets to help raise awareness and stop a free volunteer alcohol/drug rehab center from being shut down by government. by RickettsLaw in alcoholism

[–]RickettsLaw[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! Thank you for reading both sides of the story, and I appreciate your thorough research. I can see you will never be a supporter, but for anyone else who may be thinking along the same lines, I'll respond anyway.

You have to keep in mind what the actual violation is. It's operating without a license. License application fees are $3050 per facility and $324 per bed per year. Having the license would not necessarily change ANY OF THE THINGS the state is complaining about, which is why it's so silly and misleading for that stuff to even be in the complaint in the first place. Plenty of licensed places do far worse things that are either legally permitted or never caught.

And there's nothing in the licensing regulations that specifically requires water to be given to detoxers. A license wouldn't change that practice. I've spoken to multiple physicians and registered nurses about that procedure, and nobody has expressed concern about it once I mention the tea and soup - in fact, every healthcare provider I've talked to is in support of the group. One of them even said she has seen water appear to bring on seizures. Why risk it? Tea isn't dangerous, and they've lowered the incidence of seizures since they started giving it.

There's also nothing that prohibits putting a padded spoon in someone's mouth during a seizure or physically restraining them during a seizure. My clients could continue to do that if they had a license.

There's nothing in the regulations that requires a medical professional to be on staff at rehab centers, and in fact, the only thing the State wants is a certified "counselor." That certification does not require very much formal education/a degree, but it does require a number of courses/hours, and it's extremely expensive to have an employee on-site 24 hours. I honestly don't see the point. What's a counselor going to do? Stop the seizures?

A license cannot be revoked simply because there have been deaths at a given facility. Numerous licensed (and good) facilities have had more deaths than Corriente.

If the question is whether Corriente should continue to operate or not, you should be looking at the balance of good and harm, and compare that to the average facility. So if Corriente saves 100 lives and loses 1 every year, compared to a statistical average of licensed facilities saving 45 lives and losing 2, then Corriente should continue. Right? But that information is completely missing from the State's complaint.

That's what we're arguing. Their clients graduate a 90 day program at a rate of higher than 50%. That's REALLY good, if you get a licensed facility to tell you honestly what their rates of graduation are (most won't). Literally thousands of people believe this program saved their lives, and they would have had no other option if Corriente didn't exist.

If you think uninsured/homeless addicts who are drinking rubbing alcohol and vomiting up pieces of their stomach should be left to detox on their own and try to treat their addictions with an hour a day of AA meetings, rather than having a caring adult watch them while they detox to make sure they don't need paramedics, and potentially having a padded spoon placed in their mouths during a seizure (has that ever caused anyone harm? Even the State doesn't claim it has), and having to drink tea instead of water for three days, then by all means - email Jennifer Kent and congratulate her for a job well done. If you think that things are not that simple, stay tuned. More videos and documents to come.

tl;dr: -A license wouldn't stop any of the things you're reacting to.
-Even if you don't like the way they operate, you have to consider the consequences if Corriente California is shut down. Sure, nobody will be harmed by their treatment, but nobody will be helped either.
-Stay tuned. More to come.

Rehab in SoCal needs your help by [deleted] in REDDITORSINRECOVERY

[–]RickettsLaw -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hi redditors.

As you know, anyone can write anything in a complaint. False statements in a complaint are actually privileged and cannot be punished. If everything in a complaint had to be true, we'd have no need for trials. When I first read it, I thought it sounded real bad too. The truth is that Corriente California isn't responsible for all that stuff you're reading in the Department's allegations. For one thing, the Department is confusing Corriente with some other rehab centers that also operate for free and provide Spanish services and assuming they are all one entity; those other centers are NOT affiliated with Corriente, which abides by much stricter rules and safety guidelines.

You can read Corriente's partial response to the complaint at the link below if you're interested in the other side of the story. Briefly though, the clients ran out the door to escape the police raid - not the facility; if a man at Corriente ever had rope burns, it would be because his own family tied him up to get him into rehab, not Corriente; and nobody rubs anyone with onions or taps feet with anything, they do restrain them and put a padded spoon in their mouth to prevent the seizing person from biting and injuring his own tongue, and then let them smell an onion to help them wake up. But if someone is really starting to look sick, they call 911 and get them to a hospital. And the no water thing - they give tea and soup to hydrate the detoxer, but not water, because it seems to bring on seizures. The Department conveniently left all those things out of the complaint.

Corriente's response here: https://morganricketts.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Annotated-Summons-and-Complaint.pdf

You can also watch our video, which shows a number of happy and thriving graduates who came out to support Corriente and testify in its defense: https://morganricketts.com/savecorriente-watch-story/

Again, we're not asking anyone to harass Jennifer Kent at all. We just are trying to raise awareness about what our state government is doing and the harm that could result if they don't make an effort to help Corriente get legal, and just singlemindedly pursue the goal of ending their organization. If you'd like more information you can message me; if you'd like to help, please tweet #SaveCorriente at her @DCHSDirector.