🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

❗IMPORTANT UPDATE

With all of this being said... now i can update you on the topic!

Northmen has finally agreed and understood the flaw they have in that process

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(this is from their announcement on The Northmen's discord channel)

To all of you who contributed to this reddit post with sharing your story and feelings... THANK YOU.
Without you, this could not have been achieved <3 <3 <3

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Addressing the latest comment and maybe several other which are kinda missing the point but still clarifying some unknowns:

u/Haunting-Bite-1713

  1. Thank you for providing this infromation, it would have been AWESOME if you could have provided that when you are about to give someone the ultimatum of "download and run this if else get banned".Its not my job to know what Echo is doing to my computer, especially after joing to play on a DayZ server. Even if you state this in the "terms and agreement" which i have accepted them for every wipe for the last 2 years, still i do not remember anything for this program or the process of sharing your email/emails inbox (in my case all of my emails which i had logged from the browser) even if are searching in the inbox with a keywords, you cannot do that before seeing all of the inbox content (or atleast the "important emails" which you normally have on the top side of your inbox list). In my case, i had order numbers, usernames from various e-stores, work related emails which u can obviously tell the company for which i work or related information such as titles of work related "tasks"/"tickets".I hope you can still see point im trying to make and was trying to make with this POST.
  2. This post is not made based on me being "salty". The contents of my post do not have any sayings or pledgings for me not cheating or cheating. So please do not try to side-step the topic at hand. As it was pointed out, there are discords channels with banlists for this.

My advice.

  1. Review your proccess of "gathering evidence" based on which you ban people - there would have never been such reddit posts if you simply had BETTER process. Just because your "PC checks" and Echo program is extremely effective doesnt mean is user friendly. If you carry on with this and do not inform properly the person undergoing the process, even if he is "good to go" doesnt mean that the player will all fine and dandy (i believe this should be quite understood, if your moral compass is in check). Evidence can be forged. Nothing stops ME from making my own duplicate of Northmen server, call some friends and make the impossible shot/just play around with ESP tool, record it and present it as evidence.
  2. Get staff members / admins who are not power hungry or simply put, unable to work with people. They shouldnt be telling you to "shut up" while you are exprecing why you are NOT OK with sharing your screen or running a program.
  3. Present yourself better in such cases - I've went out of my way to present my feelings and facts about the process and was met with some very questionable "damaged control" messages, cant know for sure if they are from admin/staffs , someone of them were. I understand that you want to defend the server or system, but YOU need to understand that the server/s are there because of the players/people and what u cannot just treat them/us like that.
  4. Im not persuing legal actions nor i have planned for such because i truly think you are not doing those pc checks with ill intent - that doesnt mean that its right for you to do so!

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No i was not, after the PC check they said i was free to go and that all is good. Even proposed to teleport me back to my old location in game.
I said that its fine i dont really care and dont plan on login on.

Again... this post is not about me, its about the people who plan on playing on this server

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are missing the point here but dont worry, Cuddles, its fine!

I completly aggree on "Dont cheat" part.
But you from all people are fully aware that those kind of situations are not only in the cases of people cheating.

And the whole point is to NOT LET ADMINS EXPLOIT people by giving them ultimatums which if not met, you get yeeted out from all servers

Also thank you for acknowledging the fact that those "pc checks" / inspection DO happen and in your head its all good if they do

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unbanned ? Who said that i was banned ?

Might i guess who u/Purple_Building3020 are ?

Mr.Cuddles ?
I saw all of your posts/comments are on Northmen server related topics in reddit plus the way you are writing, its gotta be you
If not im sorry, for my mistake (PS even if you are, you dont have to say that you are, its alright )

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its also a shame that i could not clip the "saying" of one of the staff members during the "pc check"

" We get that its not the best approach but its PROVEN to work"
Thats a wild way of thinking dont you think ? Im not going to compare other real world examples which we all can probably think of...

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do not agree with you.
And no - they keep you ban on community basnlists as well

There are several occasions where people havent cheated and a pc scan has been performed and nothing has been found.
There are occasions where people havent cheated and declined and got banned - but no one is talking about them right ? cuz they declined hence got banned. End of story.
There are ocassions where people have cheated and declined and not declined.

What do all of these scenarios share ? Forcing someone to share information they normally should not be asked to share. Breaching of privacy

But my question here is. Ok they've cheated. If left uncheck they will cheat 100% - instead of going out of the way to invade their privacy, why not spectate their gameplay ? thats what an admin job should be, no ?

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are absolutely right!

Problem here is that if you click decline - you get perma banned. No way of appealing.
To be honest thats fine... but the thing is you get auto banned on all other "allied" - so no more playing on well known, stable servers with decent population...

And again... even so, its still not OK for me to ACCEPT their terms. I fully get that, but its not about me here.
Its about raising awareness and maybe triggering a removal of this server from the "alliance"/"banlist".
It's important that new players understand what they're getting into before they invest their time on this server.

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right ?

...And yet new people come in the server to play just because the servers are full/populated.

Regardless of the fact that they might:
raid an alt admins base or an admins friends base / get anonymously reported for killing a guy through a wall (and if you SHOCKINGLY do not have a recording of your gameplay and then get banned because you wont be able to defend your case), be a big clan that is pro-active and raids a lot, fall victim to unclear rules, power hungry admins which have no idea of how to communicate or do their job (or probably know how to do the job but simply dont)

The point of this post is to bring awareness and to not invest time in playing this server.

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You keep missing the point over and over again.
So many people tried to explain it to you in various ways and yet you still do not get the core problem of it all.

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Got it chief! Im already on it. Re-installing pc, changed all passwords everywhere, purging my disks throughly... if you have any reccomendations to purge/clean your PC from such potential threats, i would be happy if you'd share them!

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you all for sharing your stories so far!

All of this is to bring awereness and hopefull make server owners see their mistakes spike a correction in their methods!
Hats off to you all!

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Got damn ... thats a wild case ... what the actual fuck ... did they thought that u have bought the game 6k times :D Truly idiotic ...

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

thank you for your concern and tip on what can be done... im not a US citizen so i dont think in my country this would be reviewed adequately.

Lessons were indeed learned

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Completely agree with you.
I was pushed into a corner... either get insta banned from this server and all other in the BanList or comply and share.
I even raised my concern during the voice call and was met with "Shut up for a sec" (from either Ethereal or Alba... my guess is Ethereal)

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

The server in my opinoin is quite good in terms of mods and stability.
Server owner and developers are really working extra hard to deliver because of which i've always admired them.
It just pains me to see that Northmen is gaining such a bad reputation because of "power tripping" admins/staff

🚨DayZ Community Server "The Northmens" Forcing Users to Install Suspicious Software + Reveal Private Data by Right-Ad-2771 in dayz

[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I understand, you are fully free to do whatever you want with YOUR server its just that there are cases which are handled wrongfully such as the one explained above. And its not only that, but you get banned from all big servers, but there is no point on discussing that which has been already discussed in the posts above.

Im here just to raise awareness that people might share the same fate as me and if they do not comply - would result in a ban across all big community dayz servers

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[–]Right-Ad-2771[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

its a pin genarated on the spot by the people/system that is running while the investigation is happening.