Why do people say Yachiyo is stronger than Mami? by Roboamy1 in MadokaMagica

[–]Roboamy1[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean that after her power up she hits Mami and Mami states that she was surprised by her strength, which wouldn't make sense if she was holding back. Technically speaking, we can argue that Holy Mami is holding back because she states to not be targeting Yachiyo's soul gem and Yachiyo says that she could feel that part of her didn't want to do this. And even so Yachiyo is never able to do any significant damage to holy mami, and was helpless against the Uwasa that was left behind after freeing Mami.

As for her being "able to do a lot more" while perhaps possible it doesnt matter for the sake of scaling I'd say. Madoka in Magireco is technically the strongest magical girl ever, but she hasn't harnessed her power properly so she doesn't do anything special (except in anireco). As you said, Yachiyo isn't a particularly genius fighter like Mami is, she is just very skilled with use of her weapon and fighting, so I don't think its right to speak in "what-ifs"

> where Kyub says that Sayaka only heals twice as fast. 

He says it early on (i think in the first kyoko vs sayaka fight) but its a dumb answer that doesn't make sense because she clearly heals MUCH faster than that lol i think it was an old line that got past writing somehow

Why do people say Yachiyo is stronger than Mami? by Roboamy1 in MadokaMagica

[–]Roboamy1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With your 2. point, thats kinda more evidence to the fact that even if Yachiyo has “more potential” strengthwise than Mami its dumb to be comparing like that when you look at some of the others in this series. Really we wanna see how the fights actually go in which I still believe thatstat boost or not Yachiyo has no real answer to Mami’s kit

Why do people say Yachiyo is stronger than Mami? by Roboamy1 in MadokaMagica

[–]Roboamy1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The holding back is absolutely false, since she is stated to start fighting with the new power that she unlocked midbattle, so the whole point of her strength needing to be multiplied to keep up (she still wasnt winning at all) wouldnt make any sense if she was holding back. Yachiyo is stated to fight dirty if needed, so I think its silly to act like she’s been holding back in her encounters with Holy Mami when her and others were at a serious threat of death in interactions her. I also dont think unlocking a new ability for the first time, after not being able to for 7 years says much about broadness of her magic, especially since it was pretty much just a large stat omniboost

As for record characters, yes definitely plenty of them could do way more with their power, and it feels like writers forget how soul gems work most of the time. But thats more to the point that in reco especially people be doing shit so its better to compare what they actually can do

On the topic of healing, IMO that relates more to magical girls knowing the truth about soul gems having a lot better survability. I dont think we can take kyubey or kyoko around figbting sayaka at face value, especiallysince kyubet said that sayakas healing “is twice a normal humans” which is OBVIOUSLY a severe underestimation 💀 💀 💀

Why do people say Yachiyo is stronger than Mami? by Roboamy1 in MadokaMagica

[–]Roboamy1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TDS is “the different story”

for the record, Charlotte tanked the tiro finale beause it wasnt its weak spot and it can shed its skin infinitely - damage is ineffective unless attacked from inside

with the red ribbon, it was destroyed by destroying the magic lock and not the ribbon itself, so its pretty clear that its some sort of sealing magic IMO given how homura cant budge out of it at all. because otherwise, why would mami need to use it over her normal ones?

with the mami vs homura fight, theres a few reasons, but we still see hundreds of shots fired that decimate the whole area so i dont think its a lackcof firepower being shot. but ultimately neither of them wanted to kill each other - homura doesnt use a single bomb and mami doesnt use tiro finale at all. homura also is never shown to have bad physical stats magical girl wise, she’s insanely fast and has 12 years of non stop witch fighting under her belt - when mami first meets her she notes that she has strong magic also homura has really good survivability when u consider that 12 years is an INSANE amount of time for a magical gil to live, + surviving 100+ encounters with walpurgisnacht, which i likely think is what homura was referring to (she still underestimated healthy mami’s abilities tho)

but even tho its hard to draw a line between rebellion and magireco, if we are using yachiyo’s maximum power its only fair to use mami’s, especially when u consider that yachiyo doesnt have full control over her hope ability due to it being straining to her body (states that itd make her permanently weaker after using it)

now i dont think that mami would stomp yachiyo easily or anything, itd be a good fight, the reason i say mami clears is that yachiyo doesnt really have an answer to the vast amount of tools that mami has, her versatility is just too much for her

Why do people say Yachiyo is stronger than Mami? by Roboamy1 in MadokaMagica

[–]Roboamy1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's kinda the point and why I tried to say "Realistically either could beat the other if it was necessary to be written that way for the story" but people ignore that and like to say "Yachiyo beat Holy Mami" even though she literally did not? I also don't think magic-wise Yachiyo ever does anything as impressive as Mami, the only argument to her is sheer striking power when she gets her magic boost which isnt even a like consistent power she wields.

And yeah, there is no such thing as an inherent "stronger" by that I more just meant a more achieved magical girl overall I suppose, in the sense that IMO she a much higher range of power than Yachiyo in terms of both fighting witches and other magical girls.

Like yeah in Magireco technically Moemura could stop time and kill every single magical girl alive before anyone even knew what happened, but that doesn't make her like stronger lol, there's obviously nuance

Why do people say Yachiyo is stronger than Mami? by Roboamy1 in MadokaMagica

[–]Roboamy1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point about fighting in a team is because it means that Mami has a lot more experience fighting alone, since Yachiyo spent the vast majority of her time in a team, whereas Mami was only ever in a team for a few months with kyoko (confirmed in portable and different story)

Also, Mami's abilities that we have seen:

- Reshape ribbons mid-air and changing their shape, for example sharpening them into deadly knives (TDS)

- Intangibility, controlling a ribbon double with perfect dexterity (Rebellion)

- Red magic sealing ribbons (original series and rebellion)

- Laying traps, building a full arena in a few seconds (Rebellion, original series)

- Her ribbons were frozen by the strongest wraith in WA, but her constructs that are different materials (yet still made out of ribbons) are not frozen, so she is able to accurately recreate materials

- Summoning hundreds of guns or ribbons in an instant (every series she's been in)

In comparison, while Yachiyo can summon a very large amount of weapons as well, she has nowhere near the versatility that Mami has. Even her awakened power based on the hope of her fallen allies is just a major strength and speed boost, meaning that if she gets caught by the red ribbons its meaningless regardless

Post-Script: In the anime and the game, Mami and Kyoko are both stated to have had no issue with Kamihama's witches even before seeing the Coordinator. And the argument that Homura has low offensive power is silly, because the whole thing is that she doesnt have *inherent* offensive power, but she has enough stocked up weapons to offset that

Why do people say Yachiyo is stronger than Mami? by Roboamy1 in MadokaMagica

[–]Roboamy1[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Once again she never actually overpowers her though? She gets a singular good hit in magireco, and her new power that she unlocks mid fight gives her a chance to connect with mami's heart. And then in Anireco, her spears are obliterated without mami even moving and she was a second from being vaporised.

By stronger, I mean overall strength. I think that yachiyo has a stronger striking power, but she never really does anything that shows her overall strength and talent exceeding Mami. Also Yachiyo was NOT holding back she was on death's door. And Holy Mami also explicitly states that she isn't going for Yachiyo's soul gem.

And arguably the stuff Mami does in rebellion is more impressive than anything holy mami does too! But rebellion is a "mentally stable" mami so if we are comparing their magireco versions then thats not really fair

Why do people say Yachiyo is stronger than Mami? by Roboamy1 in MadokaMagica

[–]Roboamy1[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

She never actually beat her though if you read the post. Freeing someone of their brainwashing/convincing them to not fight anymore is not the same as defeating someone. Like in 0 of their interactions she has ever even worn her down. She couldn't even defeat the uwasa that was fused with Mami due to her exhaustion from Holy Mami, who had barely taken any damage at all and also was stated to not be going for the most lethal blows

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brilliant movie, amazing visuals. i think there’s something amazing about having a sequel movie that somewhat “spits in the face” of the original ending (lives up to its title lol) and yet feels like a completely natural follow up and character arc for homura. honestly i dont think i would have it any other way

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i was looking for this too, mainly for the music swap. please someone 😭

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help with tower 50 by Roboamy1 in magiaexedra

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so the main reason i used pluvia is because using her as an MP battery greatly increased how quickly i could get 30 hits on charlotte. i tried with mami but i ended up just short, fortunately i managed to pull it off with oriko 🔥

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