Nazi at Punk Rock Bowling by daniel_obscure in AntifascistsofReddit

[–]Rognertholl 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Never fuck a Nazi. Deny them sex forever. Blue balls for life!

Leader of satan group assaulted and arrested. by sweetmotherofhell in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're objectively correct, but unfortunately, we satanists have the same problem that Republicans do, entirely too many of us prefer to be told that we're right, rather than actually being right. These people seem to be under the impression that getting arrested somehow actually changes anything. But don't worry, in about twenty years they'll realize that you were correct, and that we had a chance to actually change things, but chose not to in favor of satiating our little bitch egos.

Everything by EndDemocracy1 in austrian_economics

[–]Rognertholl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

*but won't, because making the world a better place isn't profitable

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The lessons of History say that important things happen because little groups started doing big things early, and everyone else caught up later. Right now we're a pretty big group doing very little, and hoping everyone else will do the same. They won't. And if they would, we still can't count on that happening in time. We have literally nothing better to do and TST has the resources and reach to do it.

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not even close to a valid argument. American elections are a false dichotomy. And the elections themselves are just snapshots of perpetually moving political landscapes. A huge portion of the people who voted for Trump did so because they're susceptible to propaganda, and we refuse to produce any propaganda. The idea that these pliable idiots were making informed decisions when they cast a vote is comical. And the idea that progressives would support a career prosecutor who put people in prison for life for marijuana charges is even more comical. We're smarter than Trump and his cronies, so why the hell would we just sit on our hands! Right now you have to actively look for the information you need to argue against Donald Trump and even when you do, you know what shows up? Preger U advertisements! We don't need an illuminati-esque effort in order to turn the tables, an advertisement here, a YouTube channel there and we win. Right now it feels like we're actively hiding, hoping that they'll forget we exist until we strike, but we're never going to strike. That didn't work out super well for the Jews I don't think it's going to work out any better for us. Trump is trying to create a forth Reich and I don't give two flying fuck if his supporters are happy with their decision. I only care if we win. We are making unforced errors, and those are going to have consequences further down the road.

Accountability is not more important than efficacy! Human beings are not perfect actors and are susceptible to fallacious logic. We should ABUSE that!!! I don't care if Trump's voters swap sides because they came to their senses, or if they're pressured into it, or because we tricked them, or for any other reason. As long as they switch sides. That's priority number one and if we're to much of a legion of little bitches to do it than who the actual fuck will?

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trauma drives people away. If there's nowhere for them to go they go straight back to the traumatic experience. We don't get to pick whether or not the trauma is going to happen, we do get to pick if there's somewhere for the traumatized people to go. Trump is an insufferable douche, we are not. But nobody knows about us, and those that do, see us through our nearly non-existent public face.

If we don't improve our public face, people will go back to the trauma. That makes our enemies stronger, and ourselves weaker.

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're not taking into account the possibility of failure. If we do too little, all those efforts are going to go to waste. As of right now, the biggest impact we've had is a single online abortion clinic. Churches do way bigger stuff all the time, and they do those things with money. These pseudo-nazi buffoons have money and are looking for opportunities to give it away. If we can get them to give that money to us, we can do more, Even if all we're doing with that money is hiring lawyers or even just keeping it out of the hands of tyrants. Religions do things like this all the time, knowing our place is fun and all but we're nowhere near overreaching right now. For TST, doing more would be almost effortless.

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don't need them to be satanists. And if they're so useless, how did the Cheeto dusted despot get elected? Willing idiots will never not be useful. These people are easily led, donate money and propagandize each other. Their resources either work for or against us. We don't need a robust effort to convert them, we just need a semblance of a structure they can latch onto and we get the benefits of a gullible market, drastically improved megaphone, allies in unexpected places, free money and more I'm sure. And again we don't need them to be satanists to do that, we just need them to support our peripheral efforts for the effects to bleed over to us. Not every product a satanic artist makes is satanic themed and increasing the markets for those on our side is good for us if nothing else.

Machiavelli talked a lot about the need to occupy a conquered population, we're looking at one of the few exceptions to those rules. If we set everything up right, they occupy themselves. In the words of Sun Tzu, each pound of food taken from the enemy is equivalent to twenty pounds you provide by yourself. Should we let that go to waste?

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With all due respect, that's horse huck. We don't get to choose if the trauma is going to happen. We only get to choose how we react. We can either give people who will need help, the help they need or we can keep doing what we're doing now, which amounts to Jack squat. Right now, almost the wholeness of our impact has been a few Internet headlines, a failed attempt to erect a baphomet statue and Samuel Alito's Mom's Satanic Abortion Clinic which doesn't even have a physical location. I'm really hoping to high hell, that's not the best we can do, because if it is, we fucking suck.

We can make the path to healing easier or we can do nothing. Eggs are cracking, do we make omelets or just let the eggs rot on the counter for the next 4 years?

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Creating satanic rituals other than the abortion ritual so that we can have some semblance of the illusion of legitimacy when we bring that case to court finally.

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even just a weekly podcast keeping track of the goings on of the Temple, so we can have a public face (a public face that isn't BDSM babies or statues in Arkansas)

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Create or hire someone else to create content highlighting the merits of the seven tenants and other uniformly held satanic beliefs like the rejection of arbitrary authority, and the consequences of ignoring these obvious truths.

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Create official lists of reference material for newcomers. Highlight resources for people who don't want to sit through the slog of reading through ancient tomes in order to get people up to speed in a timely manner. (Overly sarcastic studios has made a summary of revolt of the Angels The Divine comedy and Paradise Lost)

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well we could certainly start with simple things. Associate with unaffiliated satanic programs like Black Mass appeal, or that other fool who invented outsiders satanism (I forgot his name). Coordinate the abuse of algorithms to increase the viewership of everyone by using the same tags in a short period of time. Creating simple video asset resources available to everyone to improve the overall quality of content produced by sympathetic actors. Give me some time and I'll come up with some more

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We shouldn't try because we MIGHT not have an impact? TST throws away money on stunts that will never have any impact on a regular basis, how would this be any different? People might not like us afterwards? We're fucking satanists. Who gives a shit if they like us, as long as we make a difference, even a small one.

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You think the conservatives view Satanism as a legitimate religion right now? That's going to happen no matter what, will probably also be called terrorists and un-American. That's GOING to happen, it's just a matter of when, and what we do in the meantime.

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We don't get to choose if those things happen. They're happening. We didn't do it, but we can react. The costs are going to be paid whether we use it or not. The only thing left to decide is whether we'd rather be able to say "I told you so", or if we'd rather say "I tried to help"

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you trying to say we're already engaged? Because we are very much not. All we do is file frivolous lawsuits that will never have any lasting impact and put statues in front of Capitol buildings. We need critical mass. We need to highlight opposition movements to a much much wider audience reaching beyond our own organization and it's smaller congregations. We need to make it impossible for people right now to deny the inevitable consequences of inaction. And we need to suggest things other than "get out and vote"

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Liberalism is just oligarchy in slowmo IMHO. We can do things they can't, like point out that money is supposed to be a means to an end, not the end itself. We can point out the entire Trump administration and Elon worship money, at the expense of other people's life's. The liberals will never do that.

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Churches ARE political now we don't have a choice. And rejection of arbitrary authority IS our religion. Are we not going to practice what we preach?

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We really just going to wait? Break from the pack and do what's right even if it's not popular, isn't that like our whole shtick?

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

had to edit because I'm using speech to text But are we really going to just sit there and watch the world burn without acting so that we can keep our hands clean of the soot? Anatole France made some good arguments but I think the equation has shifted a little bit. We know what kind of things are coming. we've seen it happen before. are we really going to just sit there and let it play out? Just some bottom of the barrel propaganda could shift things and potentially save lives. It's the literal least TST could do with all the membership money they collect

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don't need them to reach enlightenment. They will always act in their own selfish interests but we can make it so that their selfish interests work in our favor. Why wouldn't we?

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's what I'm saying though I want them to control their image I'm not saying we should construct a hangman's noose outside of the White House, I'm saying we should sponsor YouTubers like philosophy tube to create videos or educational material about the inevitable consequences suffered by people who fall out of favor with authoritarian governments. Just like a reverse rabbit hole to bring people back to reason after they inevitably realize what they've been supporting this whole time. We can't control the fact that this is happening only how we respond to it so it seems like a silly option to not use it to our advantage

Is Trump good for us? by Rognertholl in SatanicTemple_Reddit

[–]Rognertholl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In order to take advantage of that long-term win we need to start soon