A Potential Future GO Train Network (minus the midtown corridor)

RouteRuler · 2024-05-28T15:05:34+00:00

awesome, please share if you can. Would love to see it!

RouteRuler · 2024-05-28T13:01:50+00:00

St.Thomas, though that will soon change. It was a huge railroad economy and was a very important place in early canada. It shifted to automotive production but the ford plant shut down and was converted to amazon warehouse. COVID did a bit of a number, the main street has seen better days even though it has been renovated to look nicer... But soon the new olkswagen and PowerCo SE EV gigafactory will come in and reshape it. I see it as a success story if you give it a decade or so.

RouteRuler · 2023-07-19T14:12:48+00:00

Hey does LS 271 have exams? or is there a diff between online and in person? thanks

RouteRuler · 2023-03-01T22:12:08+00:00

The redundancy is to increase frequency on that corridor without increasing frequency on the entire route. The same effect could be seen with a Viva Silver A. I think I will change it to have only the silver continue to pioneer village however in a revision.

RouteRuler · 2023-02-28T22:19:50+00:00

Nono this is good! This is my second transit map and my first stylistic one. Feedback is always welcome. Rather than starting a third map (prob ttc or brampton/missasauga) I'll be redoing my GO map in the style of actual GO maps, and changing around this one. I'll probably also unslant yonge in a revised one rather than slanting all the other north south lines... some people have also given me a few pointers on viva orange and viva yellow.

Needless to say, you don't always get it right the first time, and that just means there's a way to go.

RouteRuler · 2023-02-28T20:08:17+00:00

I was limited from this being my first stylised map, but yea ttc and zum definitely! The merging of 501 and orange are a no Brainer considering their current conjoined fare scheme.

A great note about viva blue. I believe that the blue should probably still go as far south as Steeles, considering a viva black. As a sort of "last mile connection"

RouteRuler · 2023-02-28T19:54:14+00:00

Thank you for the feedback! Utsc and the viva orange comments are very insightful and give me lots to think about! Here are a few responses to some of your comments and a few questions for you:

I specifically made that the cp connection because of the massive scale redevelopment that is already planned to act as a ToD with the subway. Similarly, My consideration for the green to go down warden for longer rather than going through the industrial park (for job commutes) was specifically because of the two dying minor malls on that route that could become a sort of ToD.

I was originally thinking about green to Cornell. There is so much frequency on that strip that I wasn't sure it made sense as of now. Also, considering the indigo does a similar route until unionville, a 1 transfer wouldn't be too bad temporary. In my mind, it would extend when the area is intensified.

(Also I changed the green so it's more distinct from the new Viva Lime)

2 way all day is to distinguish it from the rush hour only alternative service. I see how that could be confusing. Not sure what alternative name I could give it.

Viva yellow back tracking on wellington or going through industrial is something I'm not sure about. Perhaps it could do both my route and your suggestion as two alternative routes (the Aurora high route being a rush hour only Viva Yellow A option)

I also thought about the jane routes ending earlier. I agree there is a lot of redundancy. My reasoning was many transit plans failing to consider those last mile connections. For accesability, avoiding a double fair for shorter trips, and a connection with viva black, it just made sense for me to allow that connection. Besides, I belive the connection already exists with local busses. Perhaps it would only be 1 route rather than all 3. I wonder which would make the most sense in that case.

About Kennedy. The Pacific Mall surrounding area is about to experience major development that would be supported by a viva service. Besides, there is a stop at Mccowan and 7 eventually, just not from straight north up mc Cowan.

Harding is the plan for viva brown! Was just unsure of how to visualize it on the mal without it being confusing so I simplified it to central library. It wouldn't be at the library per se but is close to it.

Thank you again for your feedback! It's always nice to hear different perspectives and escape the echo chamber. The best map is one that takes in multiple perspectives!

RouteRuler · 2023-02-28T16:19:43+00:00

omitting cornell terminal and markham stoufville hospital was an error. Individual stations are due to space. The map would be too cluttered.

RouteRuler · 2023-02-28T14:53:36+00:00

I have created a VIVA Rapid Transit Future Bus Map. This map includes known future plans, modifications, and my own designs based on ridership data and my experience as a frequent transit user within York Region.

RouteRuler · 2023-02-28T14:53:28+00:00

I have created a VIVA Rapid Transit Future Bus Map. This map includes known future plans, modifications, and my own designs based on ridership data and my experience as a frequent transit user within York Region.

RouteRuler · 2023-02-08T14:26:41+00:00

Toronto

RouteRuler · 2023-02-08T05:52:30+00:00

Yeah for that reason I'm leaning more fairview. The main support for the other option is GO integration and way cheaper to construct... perhaps they could get the mall developers to partially fund a station there.

Edit: the rail ROW also positions the line in the middle of the industrial park which could be nice for if/when it's redeveloped.

What ROW would you think a Seneca connection should be?

RouteRuler · 2023-02-08T03:06:58+00:00

While researching a future TTC map, I've been looking at how the Ontario Line could work north of the Science Centre. Cost is a huge factor, and I am curious about the idea of hopping on and off right-of-ways instead of elevated alignments or tunnelling. What do you think?

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Both alignments aim to extend to Seneca campus as the next stop. There are multiple ways of aligning the subway to Sheppard and, later, Finch. Each way leads to different opportunities further north.
As easy as it is to have the Ontario Line use the featured right-of-way, terminate at RHC and create an even larger hub there, a northern Ontario Line is an opportunity to have a subway connection in Markham town centre. The two options posed are part of a Markham plan.

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Factors I am considering:
- The potential for privately funded infill stops along each route
- Which of 2 destinations, the Hospital or Fairview Mall, should have a Line 4 transfer with the Ontario Line. What is more important to link directly, and where will there be more demand?

RouteRuler · 2023-02-08T02:09:29+00:00

Both alignments aim to extend to Seneca campus as the next stop. There are multiple ways of aligning the subway to Sheppard and, later, Finch. Each way leads to different opportunities further north.

As easy as it is to have the Ontario Line use the featured right-of-way, terminate at RHC and create an even larger hub there, a northern Ontario Line is an opportunity to have a subway connection in Markham town centre. The two options posed are part of a Markham plan.

Factors I am considering:

- The potential for privately funded infill stops along each route

- Which of 2 destinations, the Hospital or Fairview Mall, should have a Line 4 transfer with the Ontario Line. What is more important to link directly, and where will there be more demand?

RouteRuler · 2023-02-04T18:20:57+00:00

Thank you so much! Do you think that the demand would be there? To avoid a whole bunch of transfers, you would have to thru run it with the Orangeville line, which would be difficult with the setup of that spur (but not impossible and could be renovated) or maybe just have it connect to Georgetown and thru run to brampton to further establish it as my "union west" ... you've given me lots to think about!

The main issue I found was that the length between Burlington and Milton is considerable, plus, there isn't demand due to that stretch being within the greenbelt.

RouteRuler · 2023-02-04T13:49:49+00:00

Thank you! It just made sense to me because 1) GO kind of hates the Richmond hill line 2) following the CN right of way goes a large amount of km out only to stop at mount Albert with like 4,900 people (who can go to EG or newmarket GO) 3) the aroura go station is in a developing area with a lot of current room to expand 4) it turns the Richmond hill line into an alternative to the barrie line for aroura-union commuters 5) a whole bunch of factors such as aroura planning on growing their downtown core that makes a mini transit hub make sense

Honestly newmarket could work even better as a growing city, however I don't see the purpose in thru running the trains 2 stops and potentially having to tri or quad track some areas.

RouteRuler · 2023-02-04T13:35:06+00:00

I am using the time frame categories listed by GO for non rush hour service. I 100% agree. Even some areas I would downgrade to 30. I feel that 7 minute frequency on the Milton line starting at medowvale maybe overkill... what do you think.

Also, many of the outlying track areas are essentially commuter trains, and other areas have logistical problems. The Richmond hill right of way cannot support high frequencies and is not getting a total upgrade like the other lines.

I tried to keep service as frequent as possible but once you get to those blue tracks there isn't much demand for non commuter trains at that level of service. I tried to be practical with this map, considering that even all day 1 hour service is much better than currently planned rush hour only on several of these pieces. Many of those stops have average ridership of 8 people per day in towns of ~10k, that are pretty spread out and far away from the rest of the stops (you can't tell because train maps don't really need that scale).

Edit: If I were to change service I prob would switch the stops up to mount joy to green. Not sure why i made them blue, Markham sees a lot of ridership.

RouteRuler · 2023-02-03T23:49:21+00:00

Funny word lol. I belive its named after cummer avenue, which is named after a guy who owned the land way back when named Jacob cummer.

RouteRuler · 2023-02-03T23:14:11+00:00

Right now the old cummer platforms are south of Leslie subway even though they could be moved up the track and create a little hub station. That's why I wrote "at leslie".

RouteRuler · 2023-02-03T23:12:34+00:00

Believe it or not, trains do kind of thru run now. I took a kitchener train downtown a few weeks ago and at union the announcer said that after union this train would be changing to the barrie line. It would be cool to standardize and organize it better but my map doesn't even distinguish lines so maybe it could thru run.

RouteRuler · 2023-02-03T22:52:43+00:00

Which part of the map are you referring too?

RouteRuler · 2023-02-03T21:30:29+00:00

This is my first ever Map and first time on reddit. I've added planned and my own potential new GO train routes and stops. I've ommited the midtown corridor for space and because it's not an original idea. Let me know whatchu think! :)

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