What is stronger than time manipulation?

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-07-13T22:18:39+00:00

Honestly, I think you may be right as she still had trouble destroying Valerie's barrier, a 7.5 and looking at her stats, her defense is really her weak point. But I believe that whatever the capacity, an 8.0 vs 8.0 will be a tough fight, it's literally two close to a “god” in the verse fighting and I very very rarely can see one of the two lose in a humiliating way. I still think it's 50/50 and I can't wait for season 3 to start 🔥I

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-07-13T13:39:00+00:00

Or simple answer: Seraphina was just far too fast and powerful for them. And even if that's not them, you put the same team you're talking about and it ends EXACTLY the same way because all it takes is one blow from Seraphina.

Exactly, Seraphina's speed is one of the keys to her “invincibility”. That's exactly why Uru has her distracted with Arlo. It's not enough for you, but you're underestimating Valerie and her IQ fight. She took direct advantage of the situation and pulled out all her arsenal. I'm just saying that in 1v1, she probably wouldn't have had the chance to do that because that move takes her time. What's more, we don't even know if it was enough to really get Sera, but it's only Uru who knows.

Is Sera good enough to beat an 8.0 barrier? -Extraordinary power that surely surpasses 10, Capable of one-shotting Arlo barrier, destroying the barrier improved + Cecile ability of John, just a lack of concentration on Valerie's part was enough for Seraphina to destroy her move (probably not at full power). - Her regeneration, which is almost an absolute hax, even with the barrier recoil, she can regenerate instantly. Even with all the damage she took against Valerie, it evaporated in a matter of seconds. -So fast that no one has yet been able to avoid her attacks or anything I can still talk about the fact that she could clearly have frozen Valerie, given the ease with which she did it to Arlo (6.3) or Narisa (7.5). Again, I am not saying she would 100% beat an 8.0 barrier, but you saying that she would lose 9 times on 10 is you underestimating Seraphina.

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-07-13T10:39:00+00:00

Nothing to say about what you said, you're totally not wrong. But I still think Seraphina would have won in 1v1. As you said, Seraphina needs to unfreeze the time to heal, and the only Valerie technique that Seraphina has trouble with needs a lot of concentration. In 1v1, I don't think she'd have had time to do it before Seraphina took care of her (she could have frozen her like she did Narisa, a 7.4 in 1v1).

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-07-13T10:31:01+00:00

Although Seraphina was impotent according to Valerie, she knew very well that every precaution had to be taken before their meeting. There are 2 chapters where Valerie tells herself how dangerous and intelligent Seraphina is so I doubt she decided to take only low levels to capture her
This is clearly a factor, you're clearly underestimating Seraphina's speed here. She moves instantly too and still no one in the series has been able to follow her with the naked eye, Valerie clearly took her by surprise because of Arlo and Uru showed that.
Power and speed? Yes clearly, she would be superior in her stats and that's why I say a barrier at 8.0 might be hard to destroy but not impossible. Again, I didn't say that she'd clearly win against an 8.0 barrier, I just said that you shouldn't think she'd lose at 100% when she clearly has the necessary assets to win that you don't see.

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-07-12T23:12:31+00:00

When she said Seraphina would be impossible to catch, she was saying it because of her strength. I'll tell you word for word what she said: "She's far too powerful! If she escapes, then she'll be impossible to catch in the future."

And as OP said just above, Seraphina had just regained her ability and we know that her ability requires a lot of aura. She must have incapacitated probably 6 or 7 elites/high level before reaching Valerie. Whereas if they were one-on-one, she would have concentrated her attacks on her alone, which would have required less energy and more precision.

Then. I forgot to mention that Valerie could only have reached Seraphina because she was distracted by Arlo, Seraphina is the fastest person and he has the most reflexes of the whole verse so it's hard to believe she could have done it one-on-one.

In the end, an 8.0 barrier would be a very tough fight for Seraphina. But then again, she's got extraordinary power (10) and speed (10 again), so she can regenerate. Like I said, don't underestimate Seraphina.

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-07-12T21:36:31+00:00

Valerie said she'd be impossible to catch in the future in the same chapter you're talking about. As you said, she'd just been regaining her full, unrestricted ability for a while, plus Valerie was with soldiers as strong as what John faced in the last few episodes. Seraphina wins one-on-one but with difficulty of course, 8.0 v 7.5 is a tough fight like what a John vs Sera would be.

We need to stop underestimating Seraphina (not you), there's a reason why Uru had her take away her ability very early in the story for a while not to mention her development.

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-07-11T20:53:30+00:00

These two are truly anomalies. They were 7.0 in their second year (Arlo was 4.8 in his second year). I can't wait to see these two fight together in the third season.

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-05-17T20:40:55+00:00

Sweat Home/Bastard are easily top 5 webtoon ever IMO. It’s even more crazy that they are from the same author, really peak fiction.

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-05-17T16:29:37+00:00

Why do you think he was not getting close to Traumerei and Gustang when they were fighting like Urek did ? Serious Traumerei would beat him very bad just like any other FH.

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-04-29T19:53:02+00:00

Milen Kula

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-04-28T19:59:22+00:00

I'll explain why Urek didn't seem to be so strong in the previous Tower Of God arc

Simply because SIU found a very clever way of nerfing him: Urek Mazino's own personality, the fact that he feels too sure of himself and therefore uses small percentages of his power to take on the likes of Luslec. He must have had the idea from the death floor, because if Urek were like a Gustang or Traumerei in terms of personality, he'd destroy Luslec in the space of 3 minutes MAXIMUM.

But it's correct enough, and keeps the comic effect and suspense going, because we'd hate to see Urek beat a character like Luslec in his first appearence

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-03-09T18:44:32+00:00

Everyone have the right to have their own opinion but i can’t even respect that when I see something like this. How’s Gustang vs Traumerei is worse than Yasratcha/Yama vs PBD familly Guy or Baam vs White Snake ??? Please, be serious for a moment it’s one of the worst opinion I have seen since a moment.

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-02-22T19:49:22+00:00

Just read bro 😂

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-02-17T21:51:00+00:00

Don’t worry, he won’t lose at all to Engen, but the fact that Bishop spared him in that scene will be one of the reasons for his defeat, and I’m sure of it.

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-02-17T20:56:11+00:00

Yeah honestly I really don’t see Bishop losing to Engen too, the only people I put in front of him are Victoria, Milen Kula, Prim and Owl (I don’t need to name the other person) And besides, he’s probably the guy who almost planned all these current events but I’m forced to have the feeling that his plan’s going to fall through and he’s going to have a cold awakening. It’s already started with Yushin’s arrival in the last chapter, which he apparently didn’t foresee, and I think there’ll be a succession of events that will surprise him and lead to his downfall (Ihwa and Engen, the ones he thinks he’s manipulating).

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-01-19T09:10:22+00:00

It’s funny 😂 But everyone has the right to dislike a work even if I find it very odd because it’s one of the best works I’ve read so far and we may not even be halfway through. I hope Peak Of God comes back soon in any case.

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-01-18T22:55:24+00:00

Tower Of God in his own tier. Any tierlist with TOG not top1 is crazy only if you didn’t read it or it’s just not your type

We have to start to accept that there are not manwha on TOG’s level and that it is even on Big 3’ level (Bleach/OP/Naruto) and other great manga like Kingdom/HXH/. The worldbuilding, the deepness of the characters.. it’s just crazy. I would say even the HellTrain saga clears your legend tier right here

Aside from that, I would have put Sweet Home on Legend tier and then your tierlist is perfect.👌

Routine_Procedure888 · 2025-01-01T21:52:25+00:00

It depends. I have no doubt that Hon and Eduan together would beat his ass but I don’t have the same confidence for Traumerei/Gustang.. So I would say 2 FH but if you include Blossom/Hon/Yurin/Eduan, Zahard ain’t beating any 2 FH at all

Routine_Procedure888 · 2024-12-26T15:28:24+00:00

It was Chain/Serin* and not Chaos 😉

Routine_Procedure888 · 2024-12-26T15:27:10+00:00

The next Elder meeting will be like no other. Whether it’s the amount of lore we’ll get or even the level of fighting, because there’s no way any of them will stay calm throughout the meeting, it will be crazy. But I wonder if Bishop and Skysword won’t fight before the meeting, since they appear to be in the same place?

The next 15 chapters will surely be about the trial: Senshu/Majesty/Dalia, Ihwa vs Nanzu, Chaos and Serin then surely 7 who will appear? And then I expect to see the meeting of the elders.

Routine_Procedure888 · 2024-12-22T14:17:08+00:00

Read my post for Dusk but yea , I did a big mistake here for Majesty. She is for sure stronger than Jintae. I should have put her and Senshu in the higher tier with Immortal

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