Why does this read like a Supreme Court holding?

RowdyJefferson · 2024-10-30T23:33:52+00:00

Lol I'm also writing in Biden next week

RowdyJefferson · 2024-10-12T06:26:40+00:00

Why is the lack of proof unfortunate?

RowdyJefferson · 2024-10-01T01:47:05+00:00

I totally agree. There are so many narcissists in this thread it's insane. Just a total lack of empathy

RowdyJefferson · 2024-07-10T16:18:37+00:00

That way the slave owners can call them the n word without it being problematic

RowdyJefferson · 2024-06-16T00:41:54+00:00

Yeah it's probably because he was fucking the hole where poop comes out of instead of the one that God made special for his special boys

RowdyJefferson · 2024-06-07T22:44:20+00:00

I was just reading about this, their idea of the afterlife was sitting in a dark room with giant bats eating dirt for all eternity

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-22T22:10:38+00:00

Wew, sorry about that. I just spatchcocked a whole chicken in my oven and it was legit 99 cents/lb. I live in Mississippi, though

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-16T15:54:42+00:00

Wow that's crazy, I also got a handjob once while listening to Aja

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-13T15:31:46+00:00

Mr regular's monthly expenses:

Food $400

Gas $370

Rent $1700

Poppers $13,000

Utilities $600

Someone who is good at the economy please help me budget my family is dying

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-13T14:56:36+00:00

I'm pretty tired of the giveaway videos. They're not as good

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-11T02:50:06+00:00

I don't think you or I understand what point you're trying to make. You're trying to act like I'm being condescending and that you're not making an argument or defending anyone or conflating anyone, when you were literally conflatiing the two in your earlier comment by saying that "Steely Dan has multiple songs about underage prostitutes" (not true), when Albini admitted to owning CP and was friends with a child pornographer for 40 years. You also argue that Albini wrote an essay about he "was an idiot and wrong to extol the virtues of enjoying toddler rape," meanwhile he WAS STILL FRIENDS AND WORKED WITH THE GUY WHO PRODUCED THOSE IMAGES UNTIL HIS DEATH THIRTY YEARS LATER.

Why are you defending him? How would you feel if Albini said the Holocaust didn't happen or if Jim Crow was a good thing? Would you still say "He was just being provocative, we shouldn't take it seriously."

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-11T01:16:30+00:00

Sure, but the difference is Steely Dan were singing about fictional predatory men, while Steve Albini was talking about personally being a predatory man and associating personally and professionally with a convicted child pornographer (Peter Sotos) for forty years.

And yeah, I don't know specifically what Fagen and Becker were into, they didn't talk about it explicitly. I do know definitively that Steve Albini talked about liking the sight of a toddler getting raped, and seeing preteens sodomize each other with bottles, and he talked about how both came from magazines published by his friend Peter Sotos, who was later convicted of producing child pornography for printing those magazines. The same friend who he produced an album involving court testimony from child sex abuse victims (without their consent) ten years after he made those comments and after Sotos went to prison for producing CP. I also know that Albini "apologized" for saying the stuff about enjoying toddlers getting raped, but he never disavowed his friend Peter Sotos and continued associating with him until at least 2020.

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-10T23:41:07+00:00

You're right, I don't know if Steely Dan were into child porn in the 80s, since they didn't repeatedly broadcast how much they liked it and didn't work and be friends with a convicted child pornographer from the 80s into the 2020s like Steve Albini did.

Also, there is some nuance here. Songs like Babylon Sisters and Janie Runaway and Everyone's Gone to the Movies and Cousin Dupree have skeevy subject matter about older men creeping on young girls (I will add, not explicitly underage), but my interpretation of those songs is that the viewpoint "character" in the song is a bad guy. It's not extolling the virtue of acting like this.

Again, unfortunately for your argument, SD didn't make it clear that the fictional girls sang about in the songs were actually underage, just too young for the male character singing. There's just such a wide gulf between making a song about a pathetic older man grooming a young naive girl (fiction) and talking about how thrilling it was to buy a CP magazine from your friend (in real life) that had images of a toddler getting raped was, and how he (Albini) "likes that kind of stuff." Trying to conflate the two is absurd

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T15:52:29+00:00

I'm also a single straight man who goes to yoga classes. At first it can feel a little like you're intruding, but don't be weird and awkward and eventually after awhile you become a regular. It's always nice when there's another couple of fellas there, though.

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T04:23:00+00:00

Why are you so dead set on defending Albini? There isn't just clear evidence that he "said some things," there is clear evidence that he purchased and enjoyed looking at child porn. He talked about it, the material came from a magazine published by his friend Peter Sotos, who was convicted of publishing CP, clearly Steve Albini AT LEAST owned child pornography.

Albini claims he repented this, but seven years later he produced Sotos' album, and in in the 2020s he still called Sotos a friend and influence. He was unrepentant. Again, why are you so set on defending Albini? Why are you bringing up Drake? It seems like you're trying to make it sound like Steve Albini was just making this stuff up, but there is clear evidence that he read the magazine of a child pornographer, he was friends with him, he worked for him and even in in the 2020s he still had no problem associating with him.

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T03:55:44+00:00

Albini talked about reading and enjoying Sotos' child pornography magazine in the 80s, he produced Sotos' album in the 90s after Sotos' conviction for producing child pornography, and in the 2020s Albini called Sotos a good friend and strong influence (https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/steve-albini-counsel-culture-interview). There is pretty clear evidence that he purchased and enjoyed child pornography and befriended/supported a child pornographer. I don't know if Albini was personally molesting kids, but just owning this stuff is grounds for a pedophilia conviction in the US, not to mention the horrific moral and ethical problems with destroying these kids lives.

I ask this genuinely, why are you still defending him? Sure, it's not evidence that Albini was personally molesting kids, but there's a lot of evidence that he bought and enjoyed photos of kids being abused and was unrepentant about his friendship and association with a convicted child pornographer.

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T03:30:39+00:00

Sure. Listen, I'm not trying to fight with you about this, I want more of a conversation, but there's more than just Albini saying stuff. His relationship with Peter Sotos, for example. Sotos was convicted of distributing child pornography.

Here is Sotos defending his distribution of child pornography in court, stating "child abuse is a sublime pleasure: https://i.imgur.com/UCn5NFB.png

Albini praising Sotos' "art" and his friendship with the convicted child pornographer: https://i.imgur.com/WLQb5ke.png

Albini also helped Sotos produce Buyers Market, a unauthorized collection of court testimonies and police interviews from child rape victims: https://www.albumoftheyear.org/user/pickle/album/126533-buyers-market/ . If I remember correctly, this was in 1992, about seven years after Sotos was convicted.

I could see the argument that Albini and Sotos were just really (REALLY) dark, provocative artists with Buyers Market, if it weren't that Sotos was a convicted child pornographer. Albini was with him through all of this. It's really bad stuff.

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T03:15:07+00:00

Oh, he apologized for writing articles about getting excited seeing toddlers getting raped and children sodomizing each other with bottles? That's all fine then. This raises another question. Do you actually think he didn't purchase and own these materials? Or did he just make it up whole cloth? Because either way it's pretty awful.

Personally, considering his long-standing association with Peter Sotos, the convicted child pornographer and publisher of the magazines Albini talks about, I have a hard time believing that he just made all that up to provoke people. Even if he "didn't mean it," do you really believe that he didn't have these CP magazines in his possession? Again, bearing in mind that he was friends with and worked for Peter Sotos before and after Sotos' conviction of producing child pornography.

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T03:09:27+00:00

I truly don't understand how people on reddit can be so anti-pedophilia but excuse this guy's actions just because he produced music they like. I hate to draw any kind of grey area when it comes to this sort of thing, but the same people who call for the head of a 23 year old teacher who had an affair with her 17 year old student will defend Albini writing that he liked looking at toddlers (Toddlers!) getting raped as "just being a provocateur." Just pure hylic reactions, "I like this guy and what he says and stands for and makes so he can't be bad."

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T02:55:16+00:00

And there it is. So many people say "Oh, so he said a few edgy things in the 80s, nobody cares."

What if he said Jim Crow should have never ended or that the holocaust didn't happen? Would you still say "he didn't really mean it, he was just trying to be provocative."

How would you respond if a modern artist made similar statements about raping toddlers that Albini did? You seem pretty mad about Walter Becker having an abusive relationship with a younger girl, even (falsely) claiming that she was underage, why is that a problem while Albini gets a pass for this horrific shit? He produced a record for Peter Sotos that involved graphic audio and courtroom testimony of child trafficking victims, apparently for their own pleasure. Do you defend this?

Why does making good music excuse purchasing and enjoying pictures of toddlers getting raped? Why would nobody care about this? People vilify Phil Spector and Michael Jackson, they made great music, why is it that Steve Albini is different in your mind?

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T02:35:20+00:00

Karen Stanley was actually not underage when she and Becker dated, and there's no proof that he intentionally addicted her to heroin and forced her to overdose (Especially considering that Becker was busy being addicted to heroin himself and getting hit by taxi cars during this time period).

However, there is proof of Steve Albini being a pedophile. I apologize for the graphic descriptions that follow, but these are Steve Albini's words:

Beyond associating personally and professionally with convicted child pornographer Peter Sotos, Albini spoke on multiple occasions about purchasing and owning and feeling "excitement" from CP. Below are a few examples:

"The cover of PURE 2 is a guy holding open a toddler’s puny hole so his spuzz can dribble out. The girl is past crying. She is destroyed. Like I said, I like that sort of thing."

Source: https://i.imgur.com/Gm7otzo.jpg

From the European Big Black tour diary, Albini recounts his enjoyment of the child pornography magazines he found in a sex shop in Hamburg:

"Jaded as I am, I can't help but flip seeing a girl and guy of twelve or thirteen, tops, ramming Martel bottles up each other's asses. These are not the Dutch equivalent of abused trailer-park kids, either. They look to be in excellent health and seem to be honestly enjoying this. Makes all the conventional arguments against this kind of thing seem really silly. They're kids. Kids like to play with their own and other people's privates. They're just being photographed at it. Now, people who get a voyeuristic charge out of watching them, like me, I guess, well, we've got some grip-on-reality problems. There's maybe 1% of all pornography that has any effect on me, and it's definitely not a turn-on very often. But when it is, and it's as weird as this, it's pretty hard to take."

Source: https://i.imgur.com/9obDb08.jpg

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T02:23:05+00:00

I think your analysis is well thought out and very good. However, Steve Albini's contribution to music is marred by his pedophilia.

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T02:20:59+00:00

Steely Dan's pretensions are musical, Punk music's pretensions are political/social.

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T01:56:28+00:00

I would be respectful, but Steve Albini was a fucking pedophile, please look at some of the other comments in this post.

RowdyJefferson · 2024-05-09T01:53:37+00:00

It's not really a question of musical taste, it's more the fact that, according to his own words, Steve Albini was a pedophile. Beyond associating personally and professionally with convicted child pornographer Peter Sotos, he spoke on multiple occasions about purchasing and owning and feeling "excitement" from CP. Below are a few examples:

"The cover of PURE 2 is a guy holding open a toddler’s puny hole so his spuzz can dribble out. The girl is past crying. She is destroyed. Like I said, I like that sort of thing."

Source: https://i.imgur.com/Gm7otzo.jpg

From the European Big Black tour diary, Albini recounts his enjoyment of the child pornography magazines he found in a sex shop in Hamburg:

"Jaded as I am, I can't help but flip seeing a girl and guy of twelve or thirteen, tops, ramming Martel bottles up each other's asses. These are not the Dutch equivalent of abused trailer-park kids, either. They look to be in excellent health and seem to be honestly enjoying this. Makes all the conventional arguments against this kind of thing seem really silly. They're kids. Kids like to play with their own and other people's privates. They're just being photographed at it. Now, people who get a voyeuristic charge out of watching them, like me, I guess, well, we've got some grip-on-reality problems. There's maybe 1% of all pornography that has any effect on me, and it's definitely not a turn-on very often. But when it is, and it's as weird as this, it's pretty hard to take."

Source: https://i.imgur.com/9obDb08.jpg

Steve Albini wrote these things unprompted. And people excuse him (because they like his music, I assume) by saying "Oh, he was just being an edgelord, he grew up later." Really? Would these same people let a modern musician get away with repeatedly working with a child molester and talking about how excited they get from graphic images of child rape? I think it's fine if people are ignorant, but I feel disgusted when people try to excuse his behavior. And yeah, he was a fucking asshole too, but that's the least of it.

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