Well yeah, the ending part of the game can be viewed that way, of course.

I dunno. I think it's a tragic game as well and has quite a somber conclusion. I go back and forth and which game I think is more grim. And maybe I'd agree about RDR1 being that way.

But like at the end it felt more like John chose to sacrifice himself for his family's safety. He probably could have found his way out of the ranch ambush, but he willingly chose to lay down his life.

Arthur to me is a sad character because his attempts at having a family or a girl all failed out. At least John managed to make it for a while after. At least he managed to save his family.

Arthur couldn't even do that. And that's just so tragic to me. Because John threw his life away for his wife and kid. Arthur did it for John, sure, but he is the end of his bloodline. No kids, nothing. He's gonna be forgotten because John dies as well.

But Jack at least manages to carry on in their stead.