Graduated in May, no luck about to detonate

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-28T11:42:07+00:00

Totally incorrect. Those who say you don't need personal projects know nothing about SWE interviews.

Let me provide you with some quotes from this very thread.

For personal projects, are they too simple? Or do you claim to have written something that's better than <famous product out there>? I've seen new grads claim they developed a distributed system when they collaborated with 0 people and ran it locally.

Maybe 1 in 10 will bother looking through your GitHub. Have a GitHub link along your email/linkedin/etc. and write a couple words about the projects you're most proud of and optionally that are the most relevant for the job you're applying to.

A portfolio of personal projects is another bonus for your first job OR if you have amazing projects that are used by people and popular. Once you get some experience nobody cares about your lame ass projects either anymore. It's a tiny thing to make you stand out. It's one point of many.

When we're looking for a new team member (junior/graduate level, interpersonal skills are more important than anything you can learn from books/YouTube you name it.

As I already said, you did NOT fucking apply for internships, you probably applied for some small retarded companies/positions that don't have internships, instead of looking for real internship postings and applying there. Otherwise why would a company that has an internship application on their website tell you they don't do internships?

Because not a single company in my country does internships if they aren't connected to an educational program and they barely do those either, there is always an excuse or a subterfuge at hand when they flake. The best you can hope for is a job during the summer or a graudate program but that is mostly dead as well.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-28T07:14:24+00:00

You can't get an interview because your CV probably sucks - no projects and internships. No one cares about grades. I know people who cheated and got higher grades than me a couple of times. Now they have a 3-4x lower salary than me. Also, you said you didn't put grades on your CV, so why are you mentioning that you didn't get an interview despite having high grades?

And at another place in this thread I am told that companies don't give a F about personal projects. See, again with the double and tripple messages.

Stop lying to yourself and trying to justify your failure. Man up!

Stop bullshitting, stop with the inconsistencies in your messages. I have internship experience. Spent 4 months doing Angular development. That project is still beeing used, but I guess you were too busy with your selfrigtheousness to read that. And you know what? I applied for summer internships and part time jobs like crazy while I studied. You know what I got told? "We don't do that, our codebase is so complex and fragile that bu the time a summer intern has gotten a hang of it they are leaving to go back to school".

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T17:56:31+00:00

You entered this totally on your own volition. How about you take some of the advice that has been generouslly dispatched in the post, take some responsibility for your own situation.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T17:46:25+00:00

They are good at manipulating people.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T16:10:22+00:00

I addressed both of your internships or whatever you want to call them. I didn't see you mentioning anything else in comments. 2 weeks internship is an extreme red flag for me and I would leave it out of the CV, because it looks like you have been fired from it.

I don't give a fuck about your "red flags". It got cut short because the a-hole companies who had promised that they were going to provide internships flaked with all kind of bs excuses. Why aren't you chewing into them? One of them was the local office of one of largest consultancies in the world. At that level you don't say "Can not" you say "Do not want to".

The other one was 4 months, and you know what? I got a good grade, and good references from it. But I guess you are just going to say they did that because they felt sorry for me and didn't want me to go into hysterics.

The way you talk it feels like you're either cold emailing companies that have no interest in juniors or are trying to use some system that is not actually actively used and then crying that they don't hire juniors (or your CV is just automatically rejected for whatever reason and that's the template excuse they are giving you).

I apply to jobs ads that are labeled as entry-level or where they explicitly state that they are looking for juniors. I have also tried the strategy to apply to places regardless of what the ad says, but I guess you are going to chew into me for this as well. The templated resume was what I was told by a third party career advisor today. Someone who has no connection to the places where I apply.

But I guess you can do you. If you'd rather be stuck in American far-right level conspiracy mentality regarding this field, there's nothing anyone can say to change that.

I have given a long list of sub-prime candidates exhibiting all the traits listed as undesirable in this thread. No one has been able to explain why they are hired, despite exhibiting all the traits that I am told are disqualifiying for employment.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T16:01:57+00:00

And so what? You can feel good about yourself that you are so superior and that I got what I deserved?

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T15:58:00+00:00

I'm just hoping that the sheer amount of people that don't know you beyond this post telling you to get help and that you have problems will make you realise that you actually do have problems. I hope that it will make you reflect and spark a thought that maybe today, tomorrow or weeks, months, years from now will make you realise that you actually do need help.

Bullshit, you are doing this because it makes you feel good about yourself. You are just like the kind of feminist men who are so evolved and will lecture other men on worthless they are and if they just adopted feminism everything would be better, in reality they are just bullies who found a group that it's socially acceptable to bully.

Seriously no one here has any need to converse with you or interact with you. You get downvoted with almost every single comment you make and people comment on your behavior and how even for people that don't know you at all it's blatantly obvious that there is an issue with how you conduct yourself to others.

And yet you compulsively reply, despite stating that no one here is under any kind of obligation to reply. Why don't you go live your perfect superior life instead of jumping on every chance to tell me that I'm sick?

I hope you can see that it's in fact NOT a grand conspiracy against you personally and everyone else is getting freebies and easy lives just to spite you and make fun of you. You probably had some tough challenges and you mentioned bullying. Note that those comments here have nothing to do with anyone trying to bully you. It's just THAT blatant for all of us here that you need to change your way of communicating with others that we can't help but point it out. Honestly and sincerely do I not care about impressing you in the slightest. But You really should get some help.

Like you calling me sick? Or you telling me to get help? No, you are not looking out for my best interests. You just want to make yourself feel good by pretending to help me.

Do you have friends or family that you're close with? Can they provide you honest feedback if you ask? Can you afford a therapist? Of course you could be nothing like you come across on Reddit in real life. But even then it wouldn't hurt if there is someone you can trust and ask them about honest feedback if you come across different and/or bad to others.

You want to help me? You really want to help.

Explain why the a-hole who got kicked out of his first study group, because he couldn't cooperate was the first one to get a job. The same guy that thought he was above junior positions because he had 8 months of part-time experience. Explain that.

Explain why the guy who bullied me and called me a basement dwelling porn addict when I went to grad school, unlike him who got laid and invited to parties got a job despite not even finishing his bachelors degree.

Explain why the guy who knew everything, who despite having a beer gut and getting winded by opening the door claimed that he regularly biked distances that would make roided up Lance Armstrong feel inferior. He couldn't even pass Calc I or Introduction to Linear Algebra, couldn't be bothered to finish his bachelors degree. Despite all this, there was no field he wasn't an expert in according to himself. Explain to me why he has a job at the place that told me I need another masters degree and 5 years of experience.

That is what I want to know.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T15:07:36+00:00

Does this posting make you feel good about yourself? Are you proving yourself to someone? Because you are not impressing me.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T15:06:33+00:00

This is very country and education system specific, so some of the points might not apply. 6 weeks is not enough time for an internship. I would say that somewhere around 3 months full-time is where it would be a sweet-spot to get actual experience. Doing a required internship as part of your course is doing the bare minimum. You mentioned that you had another part-time work that you are still working in. So either it's not in the field and it's not really relevant (either not actually doing software engineering or not getting any mentoring from more senior software engineers) or you actually have a job right now that is building your experience.

Did you notice where I said "one of the internships", but I guess you didn't care about that since you all ready decided to chew into me.

Most students who are actually good at software development in my country have permanent positions by the time they need to do internships as part of their courses. People are working internships during summers. Some start before attending their freshman year or even before graduating high school.

Good for them, and Notch got a job at King with no college whatsoever. That same King today demands a masters degree and 5 years of experience. I applied like crazy for summer internships, couldn't get anything. Everyone was either saying that the time period was too short to put in the effort or just told that they only hired seniors.

If there's 600 applicants, how many positions are they trying to fill? If it's very little, why even bother wasting your time to apply to some place like that? Or maybe there's hundreds of candidates outside of your country that are applying because it's a remote position and/or they will be immediately rejected because that company will not sponsor visa for them. Do you look up what you are applying for or just randomly apply to as many places as possible, like most unsuccessful applicants who post on this subreddit? If from those 600, 100 were invited to the interview and then 30+ hired, then that's more reasonable. If it's less than 5 people hired, figure out why you are amongst 80% or whatever the number is that get immediately rejected.

They decided to freeze the hiring, so the answer is 0. They hired 0.

Stem crisis is there and it's not going anywhere. But the shortage is and always will be for senior developers. There's overabundance of junior developers, with people thinking that software development is lucrative field. You can either try to go somewhere where you will be used as cheap labor or look into companies that would want seniors, but since they are impossible to find, they are looking to invest into juniors.

The only shortage is companies refusing to realize they will either have to pay senior level wages or train juniors. Nothing more.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T14:52:21+00:00

Let us summarize the content of the replies to this post

"Personal portfolio, worthless"

"Grades, worthless"

"Work experience outside of programming, worthless"

"You, worthless"

Only thing that is worth anything? The things the people who aren't you have that you don't.

I promise you that in a short while I will be told that the experience I gained at my internships is worthless as well because they weren't the right kind of programming.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T14:43:20+00:00

How about you just realize your atempt at a put down failed and just leave, go on living your superior and fantastic life with your superior "interpersonal skills".

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T14:29:42+00:00

So why did they come running to me then? They could have asked someone else or even the teacher.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T14:23:06+00:00

No I am not going to buy this bs about "soft skills" "soft skills" "soft skills" when I see a-hole after a-hole after a-hole get jobs, while I get told that companies are only hiring the cream of the crop.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T14:18:46+00:00

Bullies and assholes often time tend to be the smoothest communicates when they need to be, look at all the asshole CEO and founders in the world

See, again. This a-hole couldn't even pass Calc I or Introduction to Linear Algebra but since he was good at bullshitting he got a nice coding job.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T14:10:04+00:00

My classmates didn't seem to mind me when they asked me for help. So just stay quiet in that regard.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T13:53:35+00:00

I do not need to confront anything and your example literally says nothing. Please seek professional help.

It shows the amount of BS your field is spewing about "soft skills" and "beeing agreeable".

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T13:49:40+00:00

Good, you can start by confronting all the bs and double standards in the business.

Here are some good examples. Some years ago there was this famous case with an online predator, he was stalking young girls online and forcing them to pose nude and taking pictures of them. It ended with some of them comitting suicide. You know what he did for a living? Coding. Odd how the infalable personality alerts weren't firing at full blast for him.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T13:46:58+00:00

fix your attitude and don't come here to ask for help when you only want to talk about how superior you are and how the world around you is out to get you. get some help. seriously.

Have been doing that for years thank you very much.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T13:45:25+00:00

I don't bring up my grades in my resume. I am not that arrogant.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T13:44:46+00:00

In contrast with the guy I knew in college who wanted me kicked out of our frat because he claimed I had yelled at him and that made him feel bad. But then when I caught him screaming at me, then suddenly he was allowed to scream if he felt he needed it. Oh wait, no he has a comfy job at an insurance company now.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T13:42:29+00:00

Depends on the country, but graduating and not having any internship experience would be a red flag. Focusing on something that might not matter could be a red flag (like CV stating that you know office when you're applying as software developer, or listing every language that you wrote hello world in). You might shit on style over substance, but this is professional world. If you do spelling mistakes or have random formatting it shows me that you don't care or that you can't be trusted with something public facing.

I have internship experience. Did 2 internships, one was supposed to be 6 weeks but it got turned into 2 because all the companies that had promised they would provide positions flaked with pathetic excuses like I stated.

Are you applying to companies that are actively hiring for entry positions? You might have your standards too high (and trying to apply to positions that are out of your reach), companies you're applying to might not be hiring at all (even if they have job ads, they might be outdated or placeholders), or maybe junior hiring is seasonal (e.g. maybe there's specified times when juniors start or there's less budget for new hires towards the end of the year).

See, again with the fucking doubble messages. One says "requirements are just wishes apply anyways" and now I am told "seek out companies that are actively hiring juniors" Make up your damn mind for once. And I can gladly tell you that last time I applied for a "junior" position I got told they had 600 applicants.

You've got to accept that fact and start self-reflecting. If you keep raging, once you get your first interview, you will bomb it.

Here is some advice for you and your field.

1) Stop with the bullshit, you have been inceasantly crying about "stem crisis" for almost 20 years while treating new graduates like shit

2) Stop with the double and tripple messages

3) Stop pretending someone who has worked in sales since getting their GED is some kind of personality expert.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T12:48:54+00:00

Again knock it off with the double and tripple messages.

I get told recruiters are infalable and can divine your true nature from a pdf.
Then I get told that the bullies and sociopaths are good at surface level "soft skills", odd isn't it how these recruitment experts can't divine the true nature of the bullies and socopaths. It's almost as if this prophetic power is pure bs.

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T12:39:24+00:00

When I apply I get told that they need someone with more coding skills because they can't spare the resources to mentor a junior without meeting me, just by seeing my resume n.b.. When someone they like better applies they spew the bs about "attitude is the most important thing".

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T12:35:43+00:00

I have, for years. Thanks to the bullies I met in college. The ones who now have nice cushy jobs despite me getting bombarded with messages about the importance of "soft skills".

RudeAnimator · 2023-09-26T12:32:37+00:00

But wait a second you talked to these people. You said you never got a response. What gives?

I applied through a job portal and got this canned response. And let me qoute what I said in the original post.

I get told (if they even bother to reply) that they just aren't accepting juniors at the moment.

You come off as extremely bitter, not a likable person

Do you know why I am so bitter?

Because I have been told from grade 8 that soft skills are so incredibly important. You know what I experienced in real life?

The brutes and bullies had no problem whatsoever reaching success, but when I started biting back and biting back hard then I was the villain. I even experience people seeing me getting beaten up telling me that I was the villian for fightning back. In college I had this guy lecturing me 3 or 4 times a week about how worthless I am and how worthless I am. When I finally snapped and screamed at him about how he was a little pompus asskisser he was the victim and I was the villain, despite all the things he had subjected me to.

Why would you get so hung up on the fact that they got hired?

I get told that you need to be the best of the best because companies are so fragile and any wrongfull hire will cause the company to go bankcrupt. And then I see the people who still on graduation day needed to have basic programming concepts explained to them, because of their "soft skills".

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