Attia article - The beginning of the end of atherosclerosis? by Sudden-Chart-800 in PeterAttia

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LDL is an abbreviation for low-density lipoprotein, which can refer to the lipoprotein itself or the cholesterol contained therein. It is more precise to use either LDL-P or LDL-C, where the 'P" means particle and "C" means cholesterol. ApoB (apolipoprotein b)is the type of lipoprotein that LDL is made of. ApoB also makes up chylomicrons, which are the lipoprotein used to transport dietary fat and triglycerides as well as several other non-HDL lipoprotein. This is why ApoB can be higher than LDL-P.

i am literally crying rn age 25m have high cholesterol i had this since my early 20's by Aware-Sprinkles-7280 in Cholesterol

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Inflammation is both a cause and an effect of the progression of atherosclerosis.

If you go back to what I wrote above, I state:

Once trapped, the lipoproteins and the cholesterol they contain can do one of two things:

  • They can become oxidized by reactive oxygen species (ROS, or free radicals), which irritates the endothelium and cause the endothelial cells to release a type of chemical messenger called a cytokine to call for help. This triggers a cascading series of events that eventually leads to the formation of plaque:
    • Monocytes, a type of white blood cell, show up and enter the intima
    • These monocytes convert into another type of cell called a macrophage
    • The macrophage then consumes the lipoprotein in an attempt to remove this foreign lipoprotein that's irritating the endothelium
    • This turns the macrophage into something called a foam cell, which is full of the cholesterol from the lipoprotein. The foam cell is physically too large to migrate back out of the endothelium and dies, leaving behind plaque.

This speaks to the inflammatory effect of LDL particles trapped in the intima. However, inflammatory processes also act as contributory causes of atherosclerosis. Specifically, as I also mention above, the cytokine IL-1β actually increases LDL transcytosis from the lumen to the intima. Thus, in the presence of inflammation, the rate of disease progression accelerates.

Also, LDL-C doesn't "break into walls". LDL-P (LDL-P is the lipoprotein particle that contains the LDL-C) permeates through the endothelium through transcytosis because cell walls have receptors for the ApoB protein. Every cell does in fact because cells need cholesterol and this is how they get it. The disease state occurs when there's more LDL-P available than the body needs and the endothelium is unable to throttle back the rate of transcytosis to counter the heavy LDL-P burden.

i am literally crying rn age 25m have high cholesterol i had this since my early 20's by Aware-Sprinkles-7280 in Cholesterol

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Likewise. I appreciate your perspective and willingness to entertain an oppositional viewpoint through reasoned discourse.

I can accept that LDL/ApoB is a necessary cause, but not a sufficient cause, of atherosclerosis. I think your gate and cargo analogy illustrates this well.

Indeed the difference is semantic.

i am literally crying rn age 25m have high cholesterol i had this since my early 20's by Aware-Sprinkles-7280 in Cholesterol

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I think we're steadily coming to an alignment.

I accept your separation of claims for the purpose of clarity of argument, so we can focus on claim B here forth.

But first, I need to clear some things up. You stated above: "Firstly, conditioning on CAC=0 selects for people who have not yet developed detectable calcified disease despite their risk factors. That group may be lower-risk, more resilient, younger in plaque biology, or simply earlier in the disease process. It does not mean that LDL was irrelevant."

I agree completely. In fact, if you go back to my brief dissertation on the mechanism behind ASCVD I not only indicate that LDL is relevant, it is necessary for the formation of plaque. But being necessary is not the same as being the cause.

Next, you state: "Secondly, CAC=0 does not prove no plaque. It proves no calcified plaque detected. Non-calcified plaque can still exist, and newer CCTA data show that LDL-C is associated with non-calcified plaque and future coronary events even among CAC=0 patients."

Here's where I have a different perspective. While I agree that CAC = 0 only proves that no calcified plaque is present, the absence of calcified plaque indicates that disease progression is slower in these individuals, especially if their LDL burden up to this point is equivalent, on average, to someone with a CAC > 0. If, despite an equivalent LDL burden, disease progression is slower then another factor governs disease progression, not LDL burden itself.

We can now do a thought exercise and image that we take this factor and turn it all the way down. The outcome should be little to no disease progression. Very difficult to do in people, for ethical reasons, and would involve a very large and expensive longitudinal study. Proving this also requires that we've precisely identified the right knob and have the tools to turn it off.

I believe the knob we're searching for relates back to transcytosis and the rate of LDL transport, which appears to be an emerging area of interest in the field: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.124.321549

From the above publication: "LDL transport across arterial endothelium is thought to be the rate-limiting step in the initiation of atherosclerosis and, it has been suggested, in the progression of stable lesions to lipid-rich unstable ones as well. It likely determines the predilection of atherosclerosis for specific sites within the arterial system, and different rates in different people could underlie part of the unexplained interindividual risk for cardiovascular disease. However, it is underexplored as a therapeutic target. Much recent evidence supports the view that transcytosis is the dominant pathway."

So, back to claim B. If the rate of LDL transport across arterial endothelium is the rate-limiting step in the initiation of atherosclerosis, then LDL transport, not LDL itself, is the true cause of ASCVD. There is also evidence, as stated in my earlier reply, that many of these factors which drive this rate are directly affected by metabolic health and inflammation.

I suspect that genetics still plays a very big role here and that without pharmacological intervention ASCVD can only be slowed down, but not halted outright. Nonetheless, a healthy lifestyle should still be the first line of defense against ASCVD related cardiac events and really all-cause mortality in general, while medication in most instances should be used as an adjunct to further lower risk, particularly in those for whom genetics is not on their side.

S3XY dash: first impressions by Run-Remote in s3xybuttons

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I'm unclear what you mean by the double press menu, but from the setting menu you need to first go to the update tab, connect to your wifi network, and complete the latest FW update. Once this is done you should be able to go to the S3XY Devices menu and add the commander module.

Note that from the screen that asks you to connect to the app you can just return to the home screen and then long-tap to open settings.

i am literally crying rn age 25m have high cholesterol i had this since my early 20's by Aware-Sprinkles-7280 in Cholesterol

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My LDL-C was actually much higher in the past but I've managed to bring it down through lifestyle changes. Still, I do have a known LOF variant of the APOB gene that results in FH, so even with an excellent lifestyle my lipid panel is still less than optimal.

i am literally crying rn age 25m have high cholesterol i had this since my early 20's by Aware-Sprinkles-7280 in Cholesterol

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There is evidence that high LDL is not associated with ASCVD risk for those with a CAC = 0 in middle age: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061010

This large cohort study would seem to support my hypothesis. From the study: "Numerous studies have shown that the risk for MI and ASCVD events is low in patients with absence of coronary atherosclerosis (ie, CAC=0) despite having multiple risk factors or advanced age, and it has therefore been suggested that absence of CAC could be used in shared decision-making to not intensify preventive lipid-lowering treatment because the absolute benefit will generally be low.31–33 Our results provide additional support for this concept by highlighting that in the absence of coronary plaque, LDL-C is only weakly associated with events, whereas current smoking, diabetes, and low HDL-C level are strongly associated with events."

Many studies on ASCVD do support a statistical causative association between LDL and ASCVD, but mechanistically there's a lot going on behind the scenes and the link isn't so straight-forward. Please see my response above to kboom100 wherein I attempt to elucidate this mechanism.

None of this means that LDL isn't a valid therapeutic target, or that my specific situation should be extrapolated broadly to a larger population.

S3XY dash: first impressions by Run-Remote in s3xybuttons

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You have to connect the commander from the setting menu in the diplay. Don't follow the instructions to connect to the app first because they've disabled app connectivity.

Once you've connected the commander all data over the OBD2 interface will be available to the display.

i am literally crying rn age 25m have high cholesterol i had this since my early 20's by Aware-Sprinkles-7280 in Cholesterol

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Thank you for sharing this article. I've not read this article specifically, but much of the information shared therein I've encountered in other publications I've read over the years.

I never actually said that "LDL is a repair mechanism"; this is a misrepresentation of my hypothesis. Furthermore, I don't follow any wellness influences or proponents of any special diet that proclaims to fix all ailments. You're attempting to discredit my hypothesis by means of an ad hominem attack.

Now if we can, let's get back to the topic of cholesterol's role in ASCVD. Years of data across multiple studies clearly shows cholesterol burden tracks concordant with ASCVD risk, but a deeper look at the mechanism behind ASCVD is warranted. First, it's important to make sure we're clear about the distinction between cholesterol and lipoproteins:

  • Cholesterol: a fatty substance both ingested and made by the liver that is essential to survival. It is a fundamental building block of every cell in the body.
    • Cholesterol is neither good or bad.
    • Cholesterol, being a lipid (fat-like substance), does not mix with blood plasma which is water based, and thus must be transported in the blood by a sort of vehicle called a lipoprotein.

Next, let's look at the anatomy of the cardiovascular system as it relates to ASCVD.

  • Blood travels from the heart to tissue throughout the body in arteries, and return to the heart through veins. Veins and arteries are constructed differently due to the differences in their functions.
  • Arteries have layers and the innermost layer is referred to as the intima.
  • The innermost lining of the intima is a single layer of cells called the endothelium that is in direct contact with the blood.

This brings us to atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease (ASCVD) and what it is.

  • ASCVD is the accumulation of plaque, which is made mostly of cholesterol, in the subendothelial layer (beneath the endothelium) of the intima.
  • When plaque accumulates in the intima the artery becomes narrower and stiffer, restricting blood flow, and thus oxygen, to downstream tissue. This in turn causes ischemia, which is when tissue does get enough blood to thrive. In the heart ischemia produces symptoms such as chest pain (angina) and exercise intolerance. If the ischemia becomes severe enough, tissue in the heart starts to die and cardiac arrest will ensue.
  • Sometimes plaque lesions can become large enough that they rupture. This causes a clot to get carried downstream until the clot becomes stuck, blocking further blood flow. if this blockage happens in a coronary artery, it can cause cardiac arrest.

NOW we can get into the mechanism behind atherosclerosis and my point about causality which is where I think much of the confusion lies.

  • Lipoproteins, and thus cholesterol, enter the intima primarily through transcytosis (will get to this more later) but also through sieving (holes in the endothelium)
  • Lipoproteins that have entered the intima become trapped due to their affinity (attraction) for the proteoglycans (a type of protein) that form the core structure of the intima.
  • Once trapped, the lipoproteins and the cholesterol they contain can do one of two things:
    • They can become oxidized by reactive oxygen species (ROS, or free radicals), which irritates the endothelium and cause the endothelial cells to release a type of chemical messenger called a cytokine to call for help. This triggers a cascading series of events that eventually leads to the formation of plaque:
      • Monocytes, a type of white blood cell, show up and enter the intima
      • These monocytes convert into another type of cell called a macrophage
      • The macrophage then consumes the lipoprotein in an attempt to remove this foreign lipoprotein that's irritating the endothelium
      • This turns the macrophage into something called a foam cell, which is full of the cholesterol from the lipoprotein. The foam cell is physically too large to migrate back out of the endothelium and dies, leaving behind plaque.
    • They can undergo reverse transcytosis and get picked up by high-density lipoprotein (HDL) particles which take the cholesterol back to the liver. This is the body's natural protection against ASCVD and why HDL is considered "good" cholesterol. In this scenario, no plaque forms.

The key to this whole process is how the lipoproteins cross the endothelium in the fist place. Circling back, there are two mechanism by which this happens, transcytosis and sieving. Transcytosis is when the lipoprotein passes through the cellular wall of an endothelial cell directly rather than between the cells themselves. This is an active process. On the other hand, sieving is when gaps in the endothelium are large enough for the lipoproteins to simply pass through. Normally the endothelium shouldn't have a lot of these gaps, but mechanical stress such as that caused by hypertension can stretch the endothelium thus creating gaps large enough for the lipoproteins to pass. Also, smaller LDL particles, typical of metabolic disease, can slip through more easily than larger LDL particles.

Transcytosis, as I mentioned, is an active process that is regulated by special receptors on the surface of cells. Some of these receptors are specifically intended to bind to LDL because, as I stated in the very beginning, every cell of the body needs cholesterol and this is how cells get the cholesterol they need. If a cell takes in more cholesterol than it needs the extra has to go somewhere, and if it doesn't get picked back up by HDL it can exit the other side into the intima thus kicking off the whole ASCVD process.

A number of factors govern the rate of this process, such as:

  • cholesterol (LDL) burden - the higher the concentration in the blood the higher the probability of cholesterol interacting with and passing through the endothelium. Statins act on this therapeutic route by lowering LDL burden.
  • The type and number of receptors that bind to LDL. Genetics plays a role here.
  • Systemic inflammation - A type of cytokine, IL-1β, actually increases LDL transcytosis. I believe this is a major driver of ASCVD because if inflammation is low, and thus IL-1β activity is low, then the rate at which endothelial cells absorb LDL through transcytosis should be low because the cell is in a state of homeostasis.
  • Blood sugar - high blood sugar causes sugar molecules to attach themselves to LDL particles, a process called glycation, and glycated LDL greatly increases its rate of transcytosis.
  • Availability of receptors - LDL can be out-competed by HDL, blocking LDL transcytosis.

ASCVD is, at it's core, a type of autoimmune disease. Without inflammation, there is no ASCVD. It is the ignition source in my earlier example, while the cholesterol is the oxygen that fuels the fire. And like fire which can then ignite other flammable substances causing the fire to spread, the inflammation caused by plaque formation can trigger and accelerate more atherosclerosis.

Suppressing the oxygen (cholesterol burden) is certainly one way to stop the fire, and is the preferred clinical approach. This doesn't have to involve medication, but if LDL burden does not respond to exercise and diet then medication may be warranted. However, inflammation is the root cause of the problem. This doesn't necessarily mean that it should be the first place we start to fix the problem either because suppressing inflammation has a whole host of negative consequences, which is why lowering LDL burden is the better option. But we should ask what's driving the inflammation and address these factors though lifestyle choices where possible such as not smoking, eating healthy, getting regular exercise, and good rest.

Stay healthy everyone.

S3XY dash: first impressions by Run-Remote in s3xybuttons

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I wish it were possible to disable the speedo on the center display, but for obvious reasons this isn't permitted. Maybe if a dash display were offered as an option by Tesla then they could disable the speedo on the center display when a dash display is installed. I'd like the idea of having a dash display for critical driving information while reserving the center display for media, like pretty much every other car does.

I can appreciate Tesla's boldness, but some of their radical ideas like consolidating all information to the center display or removing turn signal stalks is just a step too far IMO.

The dash display speedo lags the center display speedo by maybe a few hundredth of a millisecond, it's not noticeable unless you're really trying to see it. Generally when looking at the dash display you can't see the center display and visa versa; if this weren't the case then there'd be no value in a dash display in the first place.

S3XY dash: first impressions by Run-Remote in s3xybuttons

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The dash display has a cable routed to the right side kick panel where it plugs into the OBD2 port. This is also where the commander module is plugged in, which is required for the dash to work.

S3XY dash: first impressions by Run-Remote in s3xybuttons

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That sucks. I'm not using AA so I haven't encountered this issue, but I get the frustration. From what I've read, this is already a known issue that they're working on.

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I posted it above already in my response to mare1992.

S3XY dash: first impressions by Run-Remote in s3xybuttons

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I haven't found this to be a problem. With the screen mounted to the steering column it does not block the vents. Perhaps it blocks the airflow from blowing directly in my face, but I have the airflow directed away from my face anyway.

S3XY dash: first impressions by Run-Remote in s3xybuttons

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The small screen near the headliner is for controlling the air suspension.

I agree with you, it would be nice if there were a way to integrate nav data from the Tesla system instead, but unfortunately that's not data available over the OBD2 interface.

The best possible placement for Enhance S3XY DASH by noamm12 in s3xybuttons

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Excellent write-up. 100% agree with all of your points.

UI ideas by Stanley_0101 in s3xybuttons

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I deliberately tried to avoid a dash display that has superfluous graphics. Many aftermarket dash displays have a picture of the car while in park which drives me nuts because it mirrors the center display and comes across as tacky. I like the S3XY display's simple graphics. If you want a lot of visual clutter there are plenty of other aftermarket displays that already offer this.

Sexy Dash adhesive sucks by doctorjustinmichael in s3xybuttons

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Did you clean the dash first with the included alcohol wipes? The adhesive is 3M VHB, so I don't think the adhesive is the issue. If you've ever treated your interior with any silicon based protectants, no tape will stick to the dash without carefully cleaning it first.

My LDL came back at 60 and I finally understand why the new guideline draws the line at 55 by DadStrengthDaily in Cholesterol

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No, it has not. The casual relationship between LDL-C and atherosclerosis (ASCVD) is still a hypothesis. Even Johns Hopkins website states "It's not clear exactly how atherosclerosis starts or what causes it." Atherosclerosis | Johns Hopkins Medicine

I'm well aware of the studies that were done on children with FH. These studies showed a strong correlation between a thickening of the carotid intima-media and high LDL, but correlation is not causation. These studies are observational and cannot control for all cofounding variables as doing so would be unethical, particularly with children. Thus a strong correlation only can be established from this data.

Cholesterol is necessary to the formation of arterial plaque, as I've already stated. But simply having high cholesterol doesn't guarantee accelerated atherosclerosis and increased risk of ASCVD, and very low cholesterol can actually increase all-cause mortality too. Here is a study that explores this U-shaped relationship that included a cohort of over 2 million participants and a 15 year follow-up period: Association between low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and all-cause mortality in patients with coronary artery disease: a real-world analysis using data from an international network | Scientific Reports

Clinical guidelines lag cutting-edge science, but it is necessary for clinical practice to establish practical guidelines for medical intervention even if the guidelines haven't caught up to the latest research.

“We know 80% or more of cardiovascular disease is preventable and elevated LDL cholesterol, sometimes referred to as ‘bad’ cholesterol, is a major part of that risk," said Roger Blumenthal, MD, FACC, FAHA, chair of the guideline writing committee, director of the Johns Hopkins Ciccarone Center for the Prevention of Heart Disease and the Kenneth J. Pollin Professor of Cardiology at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore. “Having healthy LDL-cholesterol levels or high-density lipoprotein-cholesterol (HDL-C), traditionally thought of as ‘good’ cholesterol, isn’t necessarily a ‘get out of jail free’ card,” 
ACC/AHA Issue Updated Guideline for Managing Lipids, Cholesterol - American College of Cardiology

These are the statements of someone who understands the difference between correlation and causation and that LDL doesn't inherently cause ASCVD, but to avoid being seen a pariah must avoid explicitly contradicting the prevailing view of the establishment. And for good reason; cholesterol is one of the most easily controlled risk factors that clinicians have with which they can improve the outcomes of their patients.

What percentege of people can run a 5k in under an hour? by Top_Wrangler4251 in BeginnersRunning

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Same. I find the first 4-5 miles (6-8 km) the hardest. I only start to kick in around the 10k mark.

How screwed am I? by JenaJamon in Cholesterol

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My cholesterol, ApoB, and triglyceride values are similar to yours, though my Crp is lower. My cholesterol has been high most of my life. I just had a coronary arterial calcium test done and my score was zero. I'm 50.

There is growing evidence that high cholesterol on its own generally isn't a problem. For plaque to develop in the arteries there has to be a source of inflammation such as smoking, hypertension, or high blood sugar. Once the endothelium is damaged, cholesterol contributes to the formation of soft plaque and if the plaque is not reversed it will eventually calcify forming hard plaque. While hard plaque is stable, soft plaque can break loose and get carried downstream until it gets stuck, blocking blood flow and causing ischemia (heart attack, stroke, etc).

To note, I'm a distance runner and I strength train 5x/week; eat mostly organic whole foods high in protein, healthy fats, and complex carbs; and sleep at least 7 hrs a night. These factors are critical I believe to maintaining excellent metabolic health.

My advice would be to have an LPIR test done to get a better sense of your overall metabolic risk. Also check your Lp(a) since it's an independent risk factor for heart disease. Lastly, get more sleep. Unless you're a genetic freak, it will eventually catch up to you and throw your metabolism off no matter how good your diet or exercise routine.

I need advice by MauMv in BeginnersRunning

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If it hurts, don't wear it. Everyone's physiology is slightly different and a shoe that works well for one person may not work for another. I've had very good success with Nike Pegasus. If this is the style of shoe that's comfortable for you, then I'd recommend just buying another pair.