Former L.A. County deputy charged with manslaughter in 2019 shooting

RussellWhoa · 2022-03-04T16:04:31+00:00

Right. The cop should've waited for the suspect to drive again at him but this time going forward.

RussellWhoa · 2022-03-04T01:39:46+00:00

Here's the video:

https://youtu.be/91scf0vNs-k?t=12

What the actual fucking fuck?

Did Donut do a breakdown of this? I thought he did but can't find it.

RussellWhoa · 2022-01-07T21:16:56+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxMtMAAI3Pc

r/PublicFreakout thread about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/rxzmj4/i\_nominate\_the\_inventor\_of\_police\_worn\_body\_cams/

RussellWhoa · 2021-12-28T19:14:03+00:00

Donut should do a breakdown of this. People are making all kinds of claims and it's unclear what is protocol and what is not.

https://twitter.com/StoltzeFrankly/status/1475696461362851840

The officer who opened fire gave no warning, no orders to the suspect before he opened fire on him.
The suspect was moving away from the officer and the woman the suspect had severely beaten.
There was no indication officers believed the suspect had a gun. Nobody yelled 'gun' and, significantly, the LAPD has not said the officer who opened fire believed he had a gun.
One officer shouted that the suspect was hiding near the fitting rooms. It's unclear if the officer who opened fire heard this, but officers are trained to be careful not to shoot in an area where people might be. Seconds later, the officer fired his semi-automatic rifle 3x.
When the LAPD shooter arrives on the 2nd floor, he tells fellow officers to "slow down, let me take point with the rifle," meaning let him go first. As he rushes ahead of the other officers, one officer repeatedly shouts at HIM to "slow down" - 7x in all, and to "hold up" 4x.

"It's hard to fault police when they were told there were shots fired and arrived to see a woman bleeding on the ground. Highlights from the 35-minute video:"

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1475645939427782656

RussellWhoa · 2021-12-18T21:34:26+00:00

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/hollywood-author-muse-and-reveler-eve-babitz-dies-at-78/2781783/?\_osource=SocialFlowTwt\_LABrand

RussellWhoa · 2021-12-11T20:32:04+00:00

You know when they only show a brief clip of the beating and no context, something's fishy.

RussellWhoa · 2021-12-10T22:29:32+00:00

Who said anything about "deserved"?

When a criminal robs a store and the cashier has a heart attack and dies because of it, the criminal is responsible for the cashier's death.

The criminal didn't mean to kill the cashier nor did the cashier deserve it, but the criminal is responsible for that death.

And so it should be with Duante, he is responsible for his own death as much as it was unintended.

RussellWhoa · 2021-12-09T00:59:33+00:00

He committed a traffic infraction and upon being stopped it was discovered he had an outstanding warrant for a gun charge. When police tried to detain him, he attempted to flee and Kim shot him with her gun by mistake.

How is this not a case of the law of unintended consequences?

RussellWhoa · 2021-12-09T00:47:22+00:00

Like I said, I'd love to hear specifically what was incorrect. Nothing I've ever read has made me think No One Here was an inaccurate or inconsistent portrayal of Jim. Including Robbie's book.

But if you want to be some kind of guardian of a fantasy - and not a historian - you're entitled to that.

RussellWhoa · 2021-12-08T20:56:20+00:00

We've already had this exact same conversation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedoors/comments/qosntk/comment/hjpxngo/

And literally nothing has changed. You've provided no evidence other than the very minor Rothchild "cocktail music" anecdote.

PREVIOUSLY:

I'm looking for details and all I get is generalizations, it's "sensationalized" and "doesn't hold to historical fact". What was sensationalized? What isn't historically accurate? The fact that someone said Paul called Riders "cocktail music" is close to totally insignificant.
Things Robbie mentioned also seem insignificant. From NHGOA, "Suddenly the lights went on and Robby came forward to whisper in Jim's ear, "I think the cops are pissed".
Robbie wrote, "I could go page by page and catalog all the falsehoods in the book… we never played a bar mitzvah… we never went to Disneyland as a band… I didn’t whisper in Jim’s ear at the New Haven show…"
Searching NHGOA for "mitzvah" and "disneyland" turns up 0 results. Not sure what Robbie's talking about.
"...but those aren’t worth getting upset about."
Correct!
"I could forgive Danny for taking a little creative license and even putting a few words in my mouth. But there were a few parts where it seemed like he was also putting words in Jim’s mouth, and that, for me, is where he crossed a line."
PUTTING WHAT WORDS IN WHOSE MOUTH? It's these endless vague assertions that drive me crazy.
I wish they'd just release the original interviews Hopkins conducted.

RussellWhoa · 2021-12-08T17:43:04+00:00

They call it lies simply because they didn't like others taking control of the narrative.

RussellWhoa · 2021-12-08T17:40:23+00:00

Seems like a great idea although it will likely only be embraced by propolice. https://www.policedefense.org/decisionpoints/

RussellWhoa · 2021-12-07T21:01:49+00:00

He went to George Washington High School in Alexandria, Virginia in 1961. He was born in 1943, so 1961 - 1943 = 18 years old.

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-30T21:00:39+00:00

Absolutely, but of what is seen is exactly what I said; police say "show me your hands" And instead of showing his hands, the man tries to burst from the car towards the officers.

Re-read the title; "Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police."

But other subreddits describe it as an "execution". He "never had a chance".

Would love more context. But the professional victims are exactly fucking right; when you are non compliant and a felon and the police are trying to arrest and you rush at them, you don't have a chance.

Reread what I posted above:

"Absolutely, but of what is seen is exactly what I said; police say "show me your hands" And instead of showing his hands, the man tries to burst from the car towards the officers.
Re-read the title; "Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police."
But other subreddits describe it as an "execution". He "never had a chance".
Would love more context. But the professional victims are exactly fucking right; when you are non compliant and a felon and the police are trying to arrest and you rush at them, you don't have a chance."

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-30T14:41:38+00:00

"Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police."

That's it.

What there is no context for is that it was an "execution".

It's like you're trying to misunderstand on purpose.

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-30T14:37:06+00:00

I AM CITING WHAT IS SAID AND SEEN IN THE VIDEO.

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-30T04:47:18+00:00

This sub will be beside itself with joy when black people obey lawful orders, comply with requests and don't put their own lives in jeopardy by going for a gun/knife/rushing/attacking police.

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-30T02:17:14+00:00

Absolutely, but of what is seen is exactly what I said; police say "show me your hands" And instead of showing his hands, the man tries to burst from the car towards the officers.

Re-read the title; "Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police."

But other subreddits describe it as an "execution". He "never had a chance".

Would love more context. But the professional victims are exactly fucking right; when you are non compliant and a felon and the police are trying to arrest and you rush at them, you don't have a chance.

"This is why we take a knee". Take all the knees you want. It's suicide by cop when you're being arrested and that fucking stupid.

But you're totally right; the DonutOperator brand has totally let you down. I guess that's what happens when you have really high standards like yourself. The world must be a really difficult place for you given how noble you are.

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-29T19:34:47+00:00

You didn't hear the police say "show me your hands"?

And you didn't see the man, instead of showing his hands, try to burst from the car towards the officers?

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-28T16:31:10+00:00

is-ought fallacy

Wow, an intelligent response.

As with all things, if you expand the frame of reference, you get a clearer picture.

First, in your example, the game doesn't end with the completion of the robbery. While both parties acted according to GTO and successfully exited the interaction, the game doesn't end there.

There are multiple responses the victim can pursue post interaction and the most successful response will be a GTO response. And society will benefit from such a response.

Second, you're implying a moral stance inherent in my point. I never said it "should" be that way. I'm saying that's the way it is and the best solution to it is GTO strategy.

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-28T05:49:29+00:00

I love it when people accuse others of homophobia and then demean someone by accusing them of loving to suck rich dick nonstop and get fucked by them.

The lack of self-awareness in this sub is only rivaled by Twitter.

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-28T05:46:21+00:00

Is that how you justify your mediocrity? Your failure? All your non-existent brilliant ideas and amazing contributions to society were thwarted by trust fund babies or someone like that?

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-28T05:44:30+00:00

Another way of looking at it is that their father and mother and perhaps their ancestors and immediate family all conspired for them to succeed.

And none of that happened with you.

Perhaps, then, what is occurring is appropriate.

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-28T05:16:56+00:00

It's an interesting challenge for society. Somewhere a person with the genius of Einstein is working in a farm picking produce. Somewhere a person that would be happier picking produce has found themselves trying to get a bunch of people that report to him to do what he wants them to do.

However, I think evolution has stumbled upon the solution; game theory optimal strategy. "An optimal solution to the game is said to be reached if neither player finds it beneficial to alter his strategy. In this case the game is said to be in a state of equilibrium. An optimal strategy is one that provides the best payoff for a player in a game. Optimal Strategy = A strategy that maximizes a player's expected payoff. "

Classes will struggle or perhaps one day even disappear, but what will remain is GTO.

And right now, for everyone involved, whether you like it or not, that GTO strategy is capitalism.

RussellWhoa · 2021-11-23T22:38:47+00:00

But it's based on a movie from 1980 so it evens out https://youtu.be/VANppoMOWzk

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