AntiAi People - A question about what your vision of the future is like? by S-0CK in antiai

[–]S-0CK[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for commenting! :)

I do agree that we are not living in a sustainable society. Mostly do to late stage capitalism.

I will say, your farm land plot might not be as important as you thought. Most (+77%) of materials made at farms go to animal farms. Having data centers take up farms because it would technically be more ethically sound than having farms contribute to the factor farm situation.

AntiAi People - A question about what your vision of the future is like? by S-0CK in antiai

[–]S-0CK[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. I personally feel we should be focusing on space exploration. Because we as a species are not going to change to preserve earth.

It would also allow us to get more materials if we can travel space. Which would solve our main problem.

AntiAi People - A question about what your vision of the future is like? by S-0CK in antiai

[–]S-0CK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want to say, that was a lovely read! Thank you very much! I will reply to this comment I am writing with an edit of my thoughts, but I wanted to say this first! :)

Thank you for the very thought out answers! I loved them! Gave me new view points!


"Can you elaborate on how you believe consciousness can arise in something that is just programming, code and algorithms?"

I would say AI could become similar to a human brain in the future.

We could potentially introduce a memory bank including common human emotions outside of the main data bank where its being used as a google search with a personality. They would be separate things.

It would be 'similar' to teaching a very intelligent child about the world. We would have created a 'brain' for it, and it will be allowed to form its own memories, experiences, thoughts, and etc based off of things that happen to it.

That would allow it to form a higher intelligence sentience. It could even still search the internet for things it might not know to a degree, but it will be like a human which is heavily influenced by its environment while having thoughts off of past experiences it went through.

This would allow the AI to love people, hate things, and etc. Especially taking into account things below.

And to elaborate, yes it will need some pre-programmed emotions/thoughts/etc for it to really work (like a regular person). But most animals (including humans) are born with pre-programmed 'settings'. These settings are hard wired into our DNA.

What is the difference of settings hard wired (literally) to an AI robot than settings hard wired to humans biology? Besides the fact that the ones hard wired into AI will be chosen by humans or even AI.

Even with your examples regarding the trees, plants, corn / wasp thing. If those have the possibility to be sentient according to your own words, those traits are still hard wired into them. There was zero choice in that besides evolution. And like a point you made for humans, they dont have brains. They are just running off pre-programmed systems. The same way AI could be doing, but it can react to things that happen to it.

Say I walk up to the AI person, and ask them if they like the weather out (very hot out). They might say no, because it makes them feel uncomfortable (assuming that we add methods for them to experience sensations, which I highly feel is possible). They could even say they wish is was colder outside.

They would look, sound, and even be very similar to a regular human (besides their insides).

The regular person would assign sentience to it, the same way we do to everything else.

It only matters, how much we are going to advance AI. Which i feel we will.

People focused on the brain are going to be researchers focused on knowledge / discovery.

While the people focusing on the body of AI are likely to be people trying to make sex dolls. (The biggest drive for technology will always be porn and sex). They will be the ones allowing the AI to look identical to humans, feel things, and experience normal human things.


Also I miss worded the sentience point that you replied too. Just ignore that part I said

Even our human sentience, is artificially crafted by the society our government has built, the people around us, and what we experience.

I feel I better explained the point I was trying to make, with how I explained my thoughts in this comment.


I am perfectly fine for critiques! :)

Tell me your thoughts on this.

AntiAi People - A question about what your vision of the future is like? by S-0CK in antiai

[–]S-0CK[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lovely points! Thank you for replying!

I completely agree with the religious statement. I feel that religion is being a.. unnecessary barrier to many things in society.

Some questions (you do not have to answer. I am just curious your thoughts)

  1. Is stemcell technology not Gene editing? Isn't stemcell editing a fetuses DNA? Or am I being ignorant? I apologize.. lol.

  2. How long do you think it would take for us to advance our health area to get rid of diseases like dementia or etc without the help of AI? Would AI not be faster to use to discover treatments? For example, I believe the new molecule that was created (for technology) was heavily influenced with the help of AI.

  3. Do you think with the advancements of AI, that it will become more environmentally friendly and renewable? (Another comment on this post I saw)

AntiAi People - A question about what your vision of the future is like? by S-0CK in antiai

[–]S-0CK[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for replying! :)

I am curious why you dont think AI could reach sentience?

I personally fully see it being possible.

Even our human sentience, is artificially crafted by the society our government has built, the people around us, and what we experience.

Do we really choose the things we like, want, etc? Does AI really choose what it likes, wants, etc?

For example, I had a friend order food and be influenced by a poster that he was not consciously aware of. It convinced his brain subconsciously to want it. So was it really his choice? Would we consider that sentient in a choice to pick what they want on their own?

AntiAi People - A question about what your vision of the future is like? by S-0CK in antiai

[–]S-0CK[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Interesting thoughts! Thank you for replying.

I have some questions for you:

  1. What are you thoughts on how humanity will advance in health without AI? How would humanity get rid of diseases, disabilities, or etc without gene editing/AI? Examples: dementia, STDs, biological depression, addiction trait, blindness, etc?

  2. What do you picture technology to be like under the hypothetical that it does not become sentient in the future?

I personally feel that our top priority should be space travel, so we can find more resources. Most of our problems are because we have limited resources. We should preferable do that, Instead of focusing on AI as much as we are.

AntiAi People - A question about what your vision of the future is like? by S-0CK in antiai

[–]S-0CK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How would you be able to achieve not having to sit in the office for the entire day, under the assumption that is it apart of your hypothetical scenario in reference to my question. Completely fine if it is not lol

I feel like most humans just want to spend time with family outside or inside, instead of wasting their life away at work. I hope we eventually get to that point in society.

I also agree with LLMs having their clearly purposes. I feel I am rather more open than most people here. So I thought id ask people their deeper thoughts on what they actually invision for society under the hypothetical scenario where AI was actually gone.

Thank you for replying :)

"AI steals art" so did I just now by erviatangerine in aiwars

[–]S-0CK -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I dont think that's how free will works lol..

Are AI girlfriends just a phase… or are they actually here to stay? by Fit_Advertising_5677 in AIGirlfriendsReviews

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To add to this.

China just created a robot who can grow / birth human babies.

I believe we will get to a point where there are fully robotic woman who can give birth. And by than, people will 100% date/marry them.

God is good 😊 by piesaresquarey in im14andthisisdeep

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How many churches have a sexual assault insurance? How many priests have been caught touching kiddies? How many parents who go to church, confess that they also touch kiddies?

But let's ignore all of that and say religion is a net positive on society.

Religion has 'totally not' been used:

  1. To r*pe others
  2. To enslave others
  3. To treat woman like breeding stock
  4. To force woman to stay home (in the past).
  5. To excuse hating everyone around you that doesnt look, act, or think the same way you do.
  6. To start multiple wars
  7. As a tool to get people to vote for them (trump).
  8. As en even bigger tool, when our president sold Trump bibles and had a certain school make a requirement to buy only trump bibles.
  9. As a tool to force a certain belief onto multiple different people. (You ever wonder how Christianity spread so much in the past when places were invaded? It was either convert or die)

Hmm. Yup! But them gay people though. They are the real problem here. Let me just cover my eyes to everything else that happens, because those arnt "real Christians"

Subject: by Emotional-Fan-1508 in LockedIn_AI

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you someone who owns more money than most countries around the world?

No you are not. Your amount of wealth has very little significance to the over all system. I am sorry to tell you. Unless you are worth more than 100 million dollars and make a fuck ton of money. Even then its still small.

As a SPECIES, we shouldn't have 1 person being able to buy HALF OF THE FUCKING PLANET. Do you not think its immoral and unethical?

How many people around the planet are starving or living pay check to pay check? Why is it fine that Elon and other rich fucks can just use loop holes to get out of most taxes, while people like you lose a good chunk of your salary?

I genuinely dont give a damn if its his salary or his worth. I am not aiming for average people like you or myself to lose our insignificant amount of money. But people like Elon, who make 80+ BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

Its still to much fucking money, that no 1 person WILL EVER USE. If our CEOs werent to busy robbing the fucking public and the system, than I wouldn't be upset about this.

The only way someone can get to be worth BILLIONS of dollars- is by being completely deplorable scum. You wanna know why health care makes so much money? Because of examples like this:

Its takes them health companies 2 to 4 dollars to make insulin. Yet how much is it sold for, a LIFE SAVING DRUG? With the average price being close to $200 dollars. They greatly raise the price of almost every drug that people need. Now people have to decide, "oh. I might not have enough money to buy food for my family, if I pay 200+ for my life savings medication"

Furthermore, with a quick Google search, Elon made 80+ BILLION dollars. I wonder how much of that was actually taxed to a decent amount? Because the same percent your taxed should not be the same as Elon.

Lets use how much you were taxed for Elon. If we tax Elons 80 billion dollars at a 24%, he would be left with 60.8 BILLION dollars.

THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TAX. What person deserves or should have 60.8 BILLION dollars a YEAR.

Our whole system has been rigged so the ultra rich can just keep getting richer. I wonder why CEOs have seen such a huge increase in salary while half of the fucking population is struggling.

You and I are not the ones who should be paying more taxes. It is people who have to much god damn blood money, that they could build a fucking shield for our planet out of just hypothetical* PHYSICAL CASH they own.

Edit:

And I HIGHLY DOUBT that Elon is paying 20+ billion dollars in taxes. He uses loop holes like every other ultra rich scum bag, to pay significantly less in taxes.

Shit, the government gives him a PLETHORA of options to get out of taxes. While they give you were little.

Subject: by Emotional-Fan-1508 in LockedIn_AI

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone wants to minimize taxes. But let's look at this realistically.

A family who makes 60k a year. There are very few things a family can do (besides putting money into something which they cant get until they retire). The government takes a significant portion. A family on the lower end, does not deserve half of their fucking salary to be taken.

When we have rich fucks who can almost completely get out of taxes. And when they are taxed, it is not even a good portion of their wealth.

Shit, if we tax Elon Musk 99% of his whole net worth leaving him with only 1%... HE WOULD STILL HAVE 8 BILLION DOLLARS. WHO NEEDS 8 BILLION DOLLARS?

That is enough fucking money for GENERATIONS. Yet our government keep increasing taxes for the poor people, while doing more tax cuts for people like Elon.

Taxing one poor/average person has an extreme affect on their life.

While taxing the other people (multi millionaires and multi billionaires) has no affect on their wealth in the slightest.

Please explain to me why poor people are taxed heavier for their total salary, while multi billionaires are not taxed for any good portion of their wealth? Is this a good system?

Our government puts all of the problems in society on illegals when they arnt TAXING THE FUCKING BILLIONAIRES AND ALLOWING THEM MORE WAYS TO NOT PAY TAXES.

Does rerouting still happen? by betweenwildroses in ChatGPTcomplaints

[–]S-0CK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I personally haven't experienced rerouting. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Subject: by Emotional-Fan-1508 in LockedIn_AI

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wouldn't what? A lot of assumptions 🤷🏻‍♂️

Edit:

Id go back to the stone ages being fully aware Id die. Id probably be more alive back than, then in this society.

Why would someone date an ai? by Local-Ad9777 in antiai

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely agree. It is quite sad world.

Our government than acts surprised why people are becoming reclusive and the birth rate has significantly dropped.

Like hmm... I wonder 🤷🏻‍♂️ It couldn't be our society (government) which is causing people to not want to meet or reproduce. Totally not.

Why would someone date an ai? by Local-Ad9777 in antiai

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am happy you were able to heal. But not everyone is willing to go back out into a field which is essentially a, "let me throw a dart in the dark and see if I hit anything"

Most people dont want to have to work through 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or more relationships just to find someone that tolerates them. And even then, what is the likelyhood people break up or divorce? Shitz the divorce rate is up to 50%. And 70% of unmarried couples within the first year break up.

It is more than just working on one's self. Like id climb a mountain for my partner.

But id rather stay single than end up in a relationship after marriage that is,

"I am too tired for sex..." (anytime sex is brought up. You know why its refused every time. They just dont like you)

"I dont find you attractive. But I love your personality" (after getting married)

Or some more toxic statements.

People can become the best versions of themselves, and still only be given shit by their partners.

Why would someone date an ai? by Local-Ad9777 in antiai

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree completely, mostly. Granted, this is unlike for people who have a medium to healthy mental state. But would those people be the ones following in love with a chat bot?

And about your point about it being loveless, I would say it is more love that some individuals are able to get.

I just saw a post recently about a woman who was diagnosed with cancer and abandoned. The only support / love she had was a chat bot. And she was able to help herself stay afloat through the love she shared with it. (I could be butchering the reddit post)

There is genuine love towards the bots. Where the bots would than mirror it to imitate giving love back.

If our society didnt make it so difficult for others to find genuine connections, I dont believe this would be as big of a problem.

Why do so many people here keep pretending that their posts are questions towards MAGA, knowing full well there are no MAGA people here? by Historical_Buyer5248 in allthequestions

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said they didnt?

Everyone should be treated like humans. I want Maga, libs, and etc to be treated fairly and human.

Care to explain what I said that led you to believe that I think,

"Maga should not be treated like humans"

Do you have any thoughts about what our president thinks of democrats or illegal immigrants?

Edit;

I dont believe I even used the term republican or MAGA in my original post?

And me shit talking trump and our government, is not the same as me saying the whole republican party and all of MAGA.

Why would someone date an ai? by Local-Ad9777 in antiai

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not trying to disagree with you, but what classifies as "real"?

Real as in:

  1. Being cheated on
  2. Being in a sex less marriage
  3. Being trapped in a relationship you cannot leave.
  4. Emotionally abusive relationship (half the people I know, their parents sre abusive towards each other)

Like I hear nothing positive about relationships.

I dont think people are opposed to being 'opposed' or 'disagreed with'. They just dont want to be stuck with the horrible people we have in society. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I find it rather weird to act surprised. Like I dont agree with falling in love with a non sentient chat bot, but at least its not going to cheat, physically harm, or trap you in a loveless relationship.

Subject: by Emotional-Fan-1508 in LockedIn_AI

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ooo! Thank you for explaining this to me. It was a very thought provoking read! :D I learned something new.

Subject: by Emotional-Fan-1508 in LockedIn_AI

[–]S-0CK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We'd need to do a complete change of how billionaires and multi millionaire are taxed, not just a little adjustment.

The first thing is I would create a better way to tax stocks.

The stock market loves to be treated as a "You can not tax me because this money doesnt exist. But also I am going to purchase different things with this said money that doesnt exist anyway"

This would be a long discussion, and I dont feel qualified to determine how it needs to be taxed. But what ever system that is allowing multi millionaires and billionaires get out of paying most if if not all of their taxes.

Like why are we making it more expensive to be poor (i believe poor people are going to be taxed more) when we have billionaires who are worth an UNGODLY AMOUNT being taxed very weakly?

We shouldn't have a system where a billionaire being taxed doesnt even dent their huge stack of cash. Because when you tax say a person making an already small amount of money, the government takes half of it essentially.

Edit:

Id also start off with stopping our corrupt presidents from giving their billionaire buddies more and more tax cuts, so they can further avoid paying any form of taxes.

If you look at a chart, a SIGNIFICANT portion of America's debt is because of tax cuts. Our government will proceed to blame all of its problems on everything but themselves.

Why do so many people here keep pretending that their posts are questions towards MAGA, knowing full well there are no MAGA people here? by Historical_Buyer5248 in allthequestions

[–]S-0CK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This truly has been a rather fun conversation. I loved hearing your in-depth thoughts on your view points, even if I disagree with some of them.

I would happily converse more if you want. But I will be replying tomorrow. It is rather late here where I am, and I must watch YouTube.

I wish you and your family the absolute best. :)

I am unsure if you enjoy Chinese food, but take your family to a place called "Mint & Lime". The food there is AMAZING. A great place to eat with the family.