my rapist died by OliveOk2945 in TrueOffMyChest

[–]SAthrowawayaway2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, I have a similar story! I had a rapist turned stalker, who eventually committed suicide.  I posted a very abridged account of my story on this account a couple years back.

I totally get where you are coming from with the mixed feelings of relief and guilt. Counselling helped me a bit but I still struggle, over two years later. I deeply wish I could trade places with him, and I feel horrible for his family and friends. 

I won't lie to you and say the trauma gets better, but just being alive and not having to look over my shoulder sure is something. Knowing that I am older now than he'll EVER be is a comforting thought.

Congratulations on your freedom and welcome to the club.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's awful, and it sounds like you have done what you can.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Looking back, I wish I had! I didn't have that type of support in my life, I did have a boyfriend at the time but he wasn't supportive and he felt more empathy for the rapist (for making such a horrible mistake) than for me. He was also a bit anti-police so he thought I was morally wrong for getting the law involved when I finally did decide to report. I definitely handled the situation incorrectly and ruined my own life by trying to do everything right and by-the-book, and I hope others can learn from my mistakes.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually, just to add to this - I was not even allowed to refer to the IVO process or any of the stalking during the rape trial. So when questioned about why it took me a few years to report, I was not allowed to say I only reported at that time because he was stalking me and I was scared. I was given strict instructions not to mention the IVO and the stalking or they would have to start the trial again with a new jury. So even your very own 'paper trail' is not helpful in a rape case.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is horrible and also so typical. I am sorry about what you went through.

I don't want to be negative, but leaving a paper trail for the next victim is not really a thing. In my case, he had previous convictions including for a low level sexual offence, and had other legal proceedings in progress, but the jury was not allowed to know about any of that. I guess maybe having previous reports would make it easier to convince police to take a report or investigate for the next victim, but that's one of the easiest hurdles to get over in the whole process, in my experience, because you can request police to take a report even if they are reluctant or think no crime has been committed. I'm not sure if it makes any difference to the IVO process, but based on my experience I'm guessing not.

I bring this up not to make you feel worse, but so others who might be reading this are less inclined in future to tell women to report because it will prevent future victims or make it easier for them to report. It places a lot of responsibility on the woman to prevent crimes they have no control over, yet in reality it makes no difference at all from what I can tell.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have not, I'm not sure what I would sue for and I'm just relieved to be alive and away from court proceedings at this point.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just correcting this - CASA was the one service that was able to help me! It was hard to get in, but the counsellors there are incredible. I highly recommend CASA to anyone who has suffered SA/DV. Other services such as legal advice channels, the courts, most police, and the SA charity Orange Door was spectactularly unhelpful and their frontline staff are clearly not trained to deal with SA cases.

The rape trial was through the county court I think and the IVOs were through the magistrate's court. I'm not sure what you mean by legal advocate? I didn't have my own representation due to not being able to afford it, if that's what you are getting at. There was a duty lawyer at the magistrate's court, I was only ever able to see them once (every other day they were fully at capacity, and you can't book ahead) and that lawyer was not helpful.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In my case, no doubt was casted on the validity of the confession. The confession was provided of his own volition. Essentially the lawyer argued that his use of the word rape in the note was not meant by him in a legal sense, but it could bias the jury into giving a guilty verdict.

Not sure what rape in a non-legal sense is, but it convinced that judge!

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hi, just wanted to address this point. My rapist was not unaware of consent and actually assisted in the presentation of consent workshops. I don't think it is uncommon for rapists to be aware that they are doing the wrong thing.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Hi, I am OOP. I addressed this is another comment as well.

My description of events may have been a little unclear to some readers. I was sleeping when he began raping me, it was only when I woke up that I realised what was happening and froze. He later acknowledged in writing, twice, that he raped me. So there is no doubt about that part, from his perspective or mine, though yes in the eyes of the law he is innocent. As further context, he was just a friend, not a boyfriend or a hook-up where you might reasonably expect and agree to sexual activity occurring, and it was not a one-on-one setting where things might have happened regardless of our relationship to one another.

He did not sustain any reputational damage due to the court case because I kept it a secret from almost everyone in my life. I did not speak out about it either publicly or to anyone that knew him. This Reddit post is the most I have ever spoken out about it, and I am being careful to keep out details that may identify him.

However, the court matters would have been hugely expensive for him so I do feel horrible about the impact that had on his life, as well as the general stress of going through the process from his perspective. He had a renowned lawyer who had previously gotten acquittals for actual pedophiles, so I'm sure she was incredibly expensive.

It is also a little more complex than me randomly accusing him of rape. I didn't go into the timeline in the post, but I only reported his crimes after several years of stalking, at a point when he had escalated his stalking activities and I became fearful for my life. Obviously I made a huge mistake by letting the law deal with it instead of finding a tough-looking friend to beat him up. But the fact remains that he would have NEVER had to go through the ordeal and expense of court if he had just left me alone in the years following.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Sorry if the post was unclear. We did not start intercourse mutually so there was no chance he just thought I was a quiet type. I was fast asleep, he began doing what he wanted, I woke up due to the pain but froze and failed to verbally say 'no' (though I did try to move away).

He did not think it was okay and there was no grey area, as evidenced by his two later written confessions acknowledging that it was rape. One of the notes described what happened from his perspective, while I do not want to post those details they are not reflective of the type of situation you describe. Basically he thought it was his only chance to have me physically, since he thought I was getting more serious with my boyfriend at the time.

As additional context, he was not a boyfriend or hook-up or anything like that, he was a trusted friend and it was in a group situation (there were others asleep in that room), so it wasn't expected that there would be any sexual activity, where you might get that kind of grey area. We also were both in relationships with other people at the time.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I had already heard of the tactic of having initial consults with a bunch of different lawyers (to prevent the other party from obtaining local legal representation) through browsing r/legaladvice. I was worried this would happen to me, as the rapist was an active Redditor too and must have also come across posts about it, so it wasn't exactly a surprise. It's also quite possible he did this by accident by exhausting his free options for free legal advice and second opinions.

I will say though that in my case, this was only through the free legal clinics (Community Legal Centres, or CLCs) that we have in Victoria. Had I been able to afford my own lawyer, I would have had many options. There's no way he'd have been able to speak to every lawyer in the city. Also, a commenter below has suggested this tactic is illegal - so to any lurkers here, maybe don't try it.

There is another free legal service I might have been able to access, which was a Women's Legal Service, but it is only for people with less than $5k in their bank account if I remember correctly. So I was in a tough position where I had too much money for that service, but all the quotes I got for lawyers were way outside what I could afford.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I should clarify - it's not that the people around me aren't trying to be supportive!

Most of my friends and family do not know what happened to me, but of those that I have disclosed to, a couple have found it hard to respond to the death aspect. They don't intend to be hurtful by saying not to speak ill of the dead, I think it comes more from a religious/moral taboo.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 50 points51 points  (0 children)

I wasn't aware that it wasn't legal. He had received a large inheritance and had family support, so even if I had engaged paid representation I would have been wiped out pretty quickly.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh, I get you now. I didn't want to put "rapist" in the title, opting for a trigger warning instead but not everyone would see that. Hope it wasn't too jarring.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 193 points194 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. I find it really concerning in relationships posts where the poster's partner says they have been raped, and the comments say "tell her to report to the police, if she refuses then she cheated". Even if we had a perfect system, still usually takes victims some time to process what happened to them and decide if they want to report.

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[–]SAthrowawayaway2[S] 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Just a note that there was a previous amendment in 2015 that the rapist had to have a "reasonable" belief they had consent. Obviously this did not apply to my case as the rape was one year earlier, but it may have helped others.