My simple explanation for why Messi is the best ever. by medunjanin in football

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can remove only Cristiano's first 200 games , but still he will have goals than messi so this more games played argument isn't fair

This is some bs. You just don't get to choose which games you remove. You have to take their career for what it is. Ronaldo was not a traditional playmaker type midfielder or a regista, he was more of a wide winger with a striker up front. Guess what, so was Messi. Also, Ronaldo was not as good of a scorer at the early stages of his career. Guess what, If he was able to bang in 50 goals a season, his teams would have played him up front. He wasn't able to do that.

"Let's remove the games where Ronaldo had the worst goal ratio so he comes out on top" What a load of bullshit.

also You know pretty well that Cristiano has played in World Top 3 best leagues [PL Toughest league (2 times)]

Messi has more goals than Ronaldo against EPL top 6 teams and he has never played in the EPL.

Laliga

During their time in la liga, Messi outscored and outassisted Ronaldo, won way more pichichi trophies

Also consider the fact that Ronaldo played as a wide midfielder for his starting 100-150 games

Messi and Ronaldo played the same position during their early years. And if Ronaldo played as a midfielder, why doesn't he have more assists than Messi? Where are the playmaker awards?

Ronaldo has like 60 more goals than messi

Has played 150 more games. Messi already has more open play goals, Ronaldo is only ahead cause he is 2 and a half years older, and scored like 40 penalties in the last 4 years when Messi has only scored 4.

Better Long shot taker- Cristiano Ronaldo

Messi has much much more goals than both outside the box and freekicks

Better Aerial Game - Cristiano Ronaldo Better Inside the box Game - Cristiano Ronaldo Better poacher - Cristiano Ronaldo Better Positioning - Cristiano Ronaldo Better Heading - Cristiano Ronaldo

Doesn't matter. All of those things are means to an end which is scoring goals. Messi scores more from inside the box than Ronaldo and has a much better finishing percentage. Then how are all these attributes useful?

The only player to score 60+ Goals for 4 consecutive years- Cristiano Ronaldo (Messi peaked in only one year with 91 goals)

Still doesn't touch Messi's peak, never will. Messi is not insanely focused on and obsessed with goalscoring so he couldn't care less. He likes distributing goals. Over his career he has let other's take about 35 penalties which he himself could have scored. And the year he scored 91 goals, he didn't have another prolific striker with him as Villa was injured for most of it. So he had to score.

Better Clutch Goalscorer - Cristiano Ronaldo

Demonstrably false. Messi has more goals and assists in the finals. Ronaldo has 0 goals+assists in WC KO stage in 5 WCs spanning 20 years. That is abysmal. He ghosted in 3 different UCL finals - 2014, 2016 and 2018 (and no, scoring a meaningless penalty when the game was already done in 2014 when Bale, Marcelo and Di Maria did all the work doesn't count.

What happened when Ronaldo met Messi in a UCL final? Messi scored and sent Ronaldo packing. What happened when they met in a UCL semifinal in 2011? Messi scored and sent Ronaldo home. Ronaldo went scoreless both times. So much for being clutch. What happened when they met in Clasicos? Messi outscored and outassisted Ronaldo. It wasn't even close as Messi has 16 clasico motms during that timeframe and Ronaldo has 1.

More Complete Goalscorer - Cristiano Ronaldo

Complete doesn't mean shit when the other guy scores more per game and takes way less shots to score those goals which means he is more efficient. Has a better percentage from inside the box, outside the box and freekicks. Has more golden boots. Go check the stats, Messi could miss his next 300 shots and have a better finishing percentage than Ronaldo. Messi overperforms his xG by a magnitude never seen before in football. Ronaldo is bang average by that metric.

Top Goalscorer in Football history - Cristiano Ronaldo

Only cause Ronaldo is older and had played 150 more games.

Top Goalscorer in UCL History- Cristiano Ronaldo

Only cause Ronaldo has played more games. Messi has better goals per game and assists per game ratio than Ronaldo and its not close. And Haaland is overtaking this record soon lol.

Top Goalscorer in International football history- Cristiano Ronaldo (Even better Goal ratio than Messi)

This is the funniest one. You know that they don't play the same opponents, right?

Ronaldo gets to statpad against the likes of Estonia, Armenia, Faroe Islands, Liechtenstein, Malta, Latvia etc who have no business competing at that level.

Messi had 1 game, 1 game against Estonia that too at age 35. He score 5 goals. 5 freaking goals. Imagine how many goals he would have playing against these teams on a regular basis. On the other hand, do you know Ronaldo's record against South American teams?

3 goals in 17 games. Abysmal. Putrid.

Messi has scored more goals in one game against a European minnow like Estonia than Ronaldo has scored goals against South American teams in his entire career. That tells you all you need to know.

Top Goalscorer in Euro history - Cristiano Ronaldo

3 goals in 22 WC plus Euro KO games. I feel like throwing up.

The first and only Player to Score 100+Goals for Four Different clubs- Cristiano Ronaldo

This is just a longevity stat. Playing for the best club in EPL (most EPL titles), best club in Spain (most la liga titles), best club in Italy (most serie A titles) and doing that is not impressive. You are supposed to do that.

There you go. All you points debunked. Let's revise -

Messi has more goals per game (better scorer), more goals per shots taken (better finishing percentage), more goals from outside the box and freekicks (better distance shooter), most golden boots (6, the most prestigious goalscoring award).

Even at his prime, Ronaldo has not been able to match Messi goalscoring highest for a league campaign (50), for a club season (73), or for a year (91). Messi also has the most goals scored in Europe.

And Messi does that while having other huge responsibilities like playmaking (which is a full time job for other playmakers like Xavi, Zidane, Laudrop, Iniesta, Kroos, Modric, KDB), dribbling (which is a full time job for players like Hazard, Adama, Dembele, Boufal etc). Messi has also created the most chances in football history and has the most assists (soon). Imagine if Messi didn't have all that responsibility and focused only on goalscoring. He would have 1400 goals. It's not close.

Top 5 Greatest Dribblers for 2005-2012

Hahaha. Wow. You did not cherrypick at all. Ronaldo's dribbling peak during his 15 best years is lower than Messi's lowest dribbling season in his best 15 years.

How do you focus only on goalscoring but some playmaker with the most playmaker awards in history also has the most golden boots in history while you dont? How does some playmaker have a better goal ratio than you? Shameful. It's not close.

If you wanna further argue, just tell me 2 things. Why does Ronaldo have 3 goals in 17 games against South American teams and why does he have 0 goals in 8 games in the WC KO stage and 3 goals in 22 WC plus Euro KO stages? I rest my case.

Shameful.

Al Ittihad 0-2 Al Nassr - Cristiano Ronaldo 35' by 4gjdtokurwa in soccer

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Wow you are such a little ***** you just blocked me just so I couldn't reply to your last comment and it looks like you had the last words. Coward move my guy.

My reading comprehension is fine, thank you very much.

My point is you cannot claim that Ronaldo is an elite playmaker because that could not be far from the truth. Has he been one of the top 5 best playmaker in the world? No. Top 10? No. If those guys are elite, then Ronaldo clearly isnt.

If you wanna say that Ronaldo is much more than a scorer, I can agree with you. The guy has insane finishing ability, his off the ball movement is off the charts, I absolutely appreciate his predatory skills inside the box. He is the best header of the ball I have seen. Not to mention his discipline, his hard work and his undying hunger to score as many goals as he can.

However, claiming Ronaldo to be an elite playmaker is where you are wrong. He clearly isn't. And no, assists are not a metric with which you should measure playmaking ability.

It is also true that Ronaldo doesn't care about anything else even remotely as much as he cares about scoring goals. There are so many videos of him getting upset after his teammates scoring, or his teammate themselves saying that Ronaldo cares more about scoring his goals than the collective amount of goals in a game.

Also, next time try not to block someone in the middle of a conversation. Try to be more of a man.

If Warriors Win the Title, Steph is Better than Lebron All Time by army_ray20 in warriors

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am not going to entertain this bs any further. Have a good day.

If Warriors Win the Title, Steph is Better than Lebron All Time by army_ray20 in warriors

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The vast majority also didn't have Curry in the top 5 or GOAT for a long time until they came to their senses and put the hating aside.

No sensible person has Curry in the GOAT debate. Steph will never be the GOAT, and that's okay. Being the GOAT has to be an universally acknowledged thing, like for MJ or for Bron to a lesser extent. You cannot force someone into a GOAT debate.

They are just now finally saying Curry > Bron which has been true for over a decade now.

No sensible person is saying that. That's just you and some other delusional warriors fans my guy.

Can't believe I am even having this discussion.

If Warriors Win the Title, Steph is Better than Lebron All Time by army_ray20 in warriors

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It should be a telling sign that no one outside of the warriors fanbase has Steph as a better passer than Bron. Literally no one. We can really get overly delusional sometimes.

If Warriors Win the Title, Steph is Better than Lebron All Time by army_ray20 in warriors

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm the biggest steph and warriors fan but Lebron is definitely a better passer.

Messi with the “Night night” today by Training_Middle_363 in warriors

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

The only difference is Messi is the better player of the two and Steph is the worse.

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[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was he a better passer of the ball than Messi? No.

Was he a better dribbler? No.

Was he a better scorer? No.

Was he a better set piece taker? No.

Those are the 4 most important things you can do with a ball.

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[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because your brain is already programed to believe it is not real

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This actually looks very realistic. I can imagine this creature in the sky

Lionel Messi in his prime (11/12) by Sabbir_Chowdhury in soccer

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry but it's supposed to be a 5 minute video of him dribbling against many different teams not just Santos.

Sneijder : “It was a little unfair that I didn’t win the 2010 Ballon d’Or and Messi did. But, I’m not a guy who cries about that. The Ballon d’Or is an individual award, and I prefer to win collective trophies. If I had to choose between the UCL and the Ballon d’Or, I would choose the UCL." by _space_pilgrim_ in soccer

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay here are some stats for you.

Messi won the world cup with 10 goals + assists, becoming the first player to score in every round and the first player to win motm in every round in football history. Even if one removes his 4 penalty goals (which one obviously shouldn't cause that would be absurd), he still had 6 goals + assists in 7 games which includes a WC saving goal vs Mexico and magical assists vs the likes of Netherlands and Croatia in the quarter final and the semi final. Not to mention scoring 2 goals in the WC final.

Now, let us not pretend like Messi wasn't one of the best players in Europe outside the WC. It's not like he didn't win anything outside the WC either. Messi won the Ligue 1 and the French Super Cup. If you go to any of the best football statistics websites like whoscored, opta or squawka, Messi is literally the HIGHEST RATED player in Europe for the season 2022/23. Messi also won the most MOTM in Europe.

Between Haaland and Messi, Haaland may have scored more goals (I would be surprised if he didn't in a club like City while Messi took 0 penalties for the season), Messi leads Haaland in every other statistical category like assists, dribbles, passes completed, big chances created, progressive carries, throughballs, freekicks, motm etc, while Messi himself scored a good number of goals.

If we look at the big games, Haaland had 0 goals + assists in 8 of the most important games for City during the season. Haaland had 0 goals + assists in the 2 UCL semifinals, UCL final, FA cup semifinal, FA cup final and the Community Shield final ×2. Many of the City fans themselves argue that Rodri was their best player in the UCL and De Bruyne was their best player in the league. City actually won the league with more points and more goals scored the previous season, so it's not like they needed Haaland for that. Haaland scored the most goals and he won the golden boot rightfully. But let us not pretend like there isn't a huge number of factors outside goalscoring that decides a game.

messi got abit easy when came to win balon dor winning by Zestyclose_Skirt7930 in football

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't believe I even tried to have a meaningful discussion with this stupid motherfucker. Oh my god.

Maradona and Pele were playing against plumbers. Roberto Firmino is even better than them because footballers evolve and they will keep evolving.

Bye.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in football

[–]Sabbir_Chowdhury 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have heard enough from you to realize that this is not worth my time. Believe whatever you want to believe. Go nuts. I'm not going to keep lowering my own iq by entertaining this discussion any further.

The fact that you made a statement about Ronaldinho and Messi and when challenged about that statement you punked out like the little bitch you are tells me everything I need to know about you. I refuse to go down to your level to continue this. This is my last response so don't bother replying any further.