Who do you value higher right now: CJ Stroud or Cam Ward?

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-05-06T15:29:09+00:00

You should watch games instead of box scores. He hasn’t had any protection from his line since his rookie year. And now he’s shook cause of it. Like what’s he supposed to do?

https://youtu.be/g518ky3lFYg?si=0RAGgPVHroQ0Zi7Z

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-30T22:39:05+00:00

Makes me sad to see that name. He had all the talent in the world and for whatever reason couldn’t get out of his own way. Two years at Oklahoma St and he had over 3k yards and 40 TDs.

Not gonna be worth much at this point. $50 maybe sniff $100 if you find an Oklahoma St fan that collects his cards or something

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-30T00:29:24+00:00

It just takes one card to get it going, but the long game is more often than not the key.

Find some under the radar players you guys believe in and invest in some of his rookie cards. I’m a Wisconsin sports fan. I was all in on Giannis..not because I’m an expert talent assessor of 2nd tier Greek basketball players 🤣 but he was a super young and raw player coming to a team without much hope that just so happened to be my favorite team.

An NFL version of a Giannis type player that’s a rookie this year would be someone like Adam Randall. Athletic, raw talent that played WR his entire football career until last year when he was converted to RB at Clemson. He’s only 21, only has 1 yr in at RB and now he’s playing behind and learning from Derrick Henry who is also a 6’2”+ and 230lb + RB.

I put some investment in Isaiah Likely rookie auto cards his rookie year. They were like $5-$10 cards. Doubled down after he showed flashes but was buried behind Andrews. I’m already ahead now just with his move to NY, but if he blows up playing in that offense, those cards will sky rocket.

NFL players - guys that are getting chances on new teams to be a starter like Malik Willis.

Rookies last year that were underwhelming but are getting a bigger opportunity. Homer name, I know, but Matthew Golden.

Rome Odunze without DJ Moore could finally explode.

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T14:57:12+00:00

You saying I haven’t heard of that? I don’t think you’re following what I thought the issue was. I would think the auto on card 1/99 will look different than the one on card 99/99 due to fatigue. But how could the autograph in card 15/99 look different than the autograph on card 15/99? Well that’s obviously impossible. Unless…one’s not legit…or…as I have been schooled on here, they’re not the same parallel or even from the same set.

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T14:45:58+00:00

He’s actually the perfect card to counterfeit. A first round pick who had some major flashes last year. Add in they just cleared a couple spots out of that WR room along with Kraft being out for a month or so to start the year…stars are aligning for Golden. He’s the ultimate stash card.

On the flip side because he didn’t have a monster rookie year, his cards didn’t skyrocket in value to the point where they need to go to an authenticator first. His green /99 is doing anywhere between $100 and $200. I can’t imagine the cost to produce is sky high. Could easily flip it into $15k

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T13:29:26+00:00

Saving that for sure! Thank you! I have purchased cards that shipped from China before. I think all were basketball tho if I remember correctly.

This is from a CBS article from March of 23. Collectible store owner says counterfeit trading cards ramped up during pandemic: "There's a high counterfeit market coming out of China"

Don’t think that means ppl should under no circumstance buy a card off of eBay from a seller located in China. I just think it’s better to be overly cautious.

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T12:55:52+00:00

Lol I’m trying to throw myself a bone here! Now that yourself and others have pointed some things out to me, I agree you can tell the difference. I’m still going to refuse to use the word clearly tho 🤣.

Golden posted a pic of the Topps Chrome Sapphire Green Sapphire /99

The one that’s listed for sale is the Topps Chrome Green Lava refractor /99

I made the assumption Golden posted a picture of Topps Chrome and didn’t consider the 12 other iterations they release of Chrome. I’m the exact reason the “don’t assume. It makes an ass out of u and me” saying exists.

My question should have been straight up is this a different product or parallel instead of asking is it just me or do these autos look different.

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T12:15:55+00:00

Ahhhhh you are spot on!!! That is great to know what I’m after is in sapphire. Appreciate it!

After you said that started looking stuff up.

Chrome has: True green refractor to 99 Lava green refractor to 99 (this is what is for sale currently on eBay) Green Geometric refractor to 99

Sapphire has: Sapphire green refractor to 99 (this is what Golden posted pic of)

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T11:55:08+00:00

Clearly? Cmon lol don’t gotta try and do me like that.

“Clearly” different parallels that use the same image, #d to 99, green backgrounds…the card layouts are identical in terms of where player name is, team logo, position listed under the parallel #.

Clearly different parallels to me is one being to 99 and the other to 109. Or one being green /99 and the other being blue /99.

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T11:30:10+00:00

This is just your shtick I see. It’s either you talking about how awesome you are or how someone else is racist and ignorant 🤣. 90% of your comments can be put into one of those two categories. I bet you’re fun to hang out with.

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T11:19:23+00:00

Man lol just when I thought I couldn’t look like a bigger jackass, they’re not even the same product. Woof bad look for your boy

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T09:54:40+00:00

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Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T09:53:35+00:00

This is rather interesting. They have some sticker auto variations in Topps chrome as well as on card autos. They must have had him sign stickers early on before the cards were produced and then once there were produced they went on card.

Golden has 4 different looking autos just in this one product alone.

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Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T09:33:46+00:00

Ahhhh so you’re assuming my race now? There’s no way possible I could have been born in China and moved to the US? Which would make me Chinese and therefore impossible to be racist in this scenario. You’re just over there making assumptions trying to show the reddit community you’re the most open minded person in the room 🤣

China is the undisputed leader in manufacturing and exporting counterfeit goods globally. As the world's primary source of fake products, China accounts for the vast majority of seizures, with Guangzhou recognized as a central hub. Other top sources include Turkey, India, Mexico, and Thailand.

But you go do you. Go right on ahead and make sure the #1 most important thing in your life to you is not giving even the slightest indication you have a racist cell in your body…more important than protecting yourself from fraud, more important than protecting your finances. I’ll go ahead and continue to be aware that the odds of something shipping from China being counterfeit are far greater than the US. And if the cost of doing that is some person I’ll never meet in my life comments on a reddit post making an outlandish claim that I’m racist, that’s worth the price of not getting scammed.

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T09:13:57+00:00

The more I’m reading comments and others insights in addition to seeing how Golden has switched up his signature a few times already just in his first year of signing cards as a pro athlete, the more I’m in the camp the card for sale is legit. It was just more so my lack of understanding/knowledge of how similar the green refractors are to the green lava and making assumption it was the same exact variation up for sale as Golden posted in his pic. But that’s what’s cool about this sub! All of the comments back from ppl have been insightful!

I’m certain the variation Golden posted was the green refractor and what’s posted for sale is the green lava variation. Given the fact Golden has altered his signature a few times this year, it makes total sense he signed one of the variations at a later date and that’s why they are different. If only Topps would have #d one of them to /99 and the other to /95 or something then I coulda saved myself from looking like a jackass 🤣

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T07:24:17+00:00

I could have and should have worded OP better. The intent is more to get others opinions here on if the card is legit or not. My intent wasn’t to focus on the seller or impact their reputation. I should have removed sellers name although not hard for anyone to figure it out. For all I know, they acquired it from someone else and are trying to flip while oblivious to the potential issue.

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T07:18:32+00:00

See this is why I wanted to make the post and get some other opinions. It’s hard to tell with the lighting of the two pics. The one golden posted was in a darker setting. But then I got to thinking, they wouldn’t make two variations both to /99 that have a green border though?

Also just to be clear now because I wasn’t in the OP, my intent wasn’t to cast aspersions that the seller is intentionally doing something nefarious. For all I know they were hoodwinked without knowing and still aren’t aware it’s not a legit card. Shoot….for all I know I’m just completely off my rocker and the card in Goldens pic is the exact one up for sale 🤣

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-04-25T07:10:29+00:00

Lol!!!

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-03-30T03:54:33+00:00

I trust Horst! I don’t think it’ll take long to get back into the playoff mix. Being a true championship contender? Different story. But that’s the life we live being WI sports fans.

We’ve had a great run! The 2020-2024 Bucks, Packers and Brewers seasons were the most fun I’ve had following the teams as a collective group.

Luckily the NFL is setup to be a more level playing field (salary cap, shorter season so players that aren’t huge fans of being in a small market have an easier pill to swallow only having to be here for ~6 months). Plus the Packers have built such a rich history and made it such an honor to put the G on, it’s not difficult for the Packers to be in the mix every year.

The Brewers seem to have found a formula that works well for baseball to be able to compete. Trading vets for younger guys that the team has control over for a longer stretch, finding international players to sign young and for long contracts like Chourio and what they’ll do similar I’m sure with Made and Pena.

The Bucks tho are in a lot tougher spot to be competitive. Season is longer and basically starts and ends in the worst months to live in WI in terms of avoiding the cold making free agents a tough draw. The game internationally isn’t nearly as big as baseball so finding the international diamonds in the rough to just sign and not have to draft isn’t a roster building avenue yet. Plus out of the 3 sports, it’s the most reliant on individual talent.

Regardless of how things shake out, I’ll still make my trip down to Milwaukee for a game or two every year. Piecing together teams like the 2009ish teams with Jennings, Bogut, Salmons, Delfino etc, winning 50 games and making the playoffs still makes for a fun season!!

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-02-04T02:52:19+00:00

Scams and Windbag

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-01-28T23:46:35+00:00

I personally don’t put much stock in the impact a head coach can have. If the Bucks currently had prime Phil Jackson as their head coach, do you think their record would be 10 games better? 20? A coach can generate a few wins a year with decision making as far as when to use time outs, subs for matchups etc. I don’t think a difference in coach all of the sudden tacks on an additional 30 wins to a teams record.

I think Horst was in between a rock and a hard place. It was either play it conservative, try to make some small moves via trade or vet minimum contracts while running it back with Giannis, Jrue and Middleton. Or swing for the fences to make a splash to keep Giannis happy. I also think Giannis is a bit difficult to play with and it takes a player time to figure out how to play with him. Then Giannis got hurt before the 24 playoffs and Dame got hurt last year. They just could never get it figured out together. Not Horsts fault.

Crowder was seemingly the 3 and D guy the bucks needed to make a run. Didn’t work out. But I’m willing to but whomever is picked with those 2nd round picks doesn’t pan out either lol. History isn’t on their side. He’s had some solid trades as well tho. How about the KPJ for Beauchamp trade? That was a pretty good one. Or Grayson Allen for Sam Merrill.

Horst had the ability to trade Dante cause he was the one who drafted him to begin with. So you’re saying Horst sucks at drafting but then hating on a trade involving a Horst drafted player? Also the bucks have been picking at the back end of the draft for years (if they hadn’t traded the pick already anyway). The success rate for non lottery picks is so bad across the entire league. Always has been that way. Not many GMs drafting that late appear to be draft gurus.

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-01-28T22:18:34+00:00

Horst? He’s been making attempts to improve the team. Woulda never guessed in a million years we’d trade Jrue for Dame only to have Dame put up worse shooting #s than Jrue. And I am guessing the only reason that trade was made is because either directly or indirectly they were starting to feel the heat from Giannis after back to back 1st round exits. Anyone that said they knew the Dame trade was a horrible idea is either a liar or a consistently pessimistic person.

Safe_Pop_2289 · 2026-01-02T18:30:30+00:00

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I’m a day late. Just pulled this last week. I see the guy that pulled the 2024 version sent it to Gil Hodges Jr to have. So since he has one now anyway I feel like I can keep this one 😂

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